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punchoutsb wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:


Once again you manage to post a nice little conglomeration of words while avoiding the question posed.

How far in advance of a controversial event should one begin to complain since complaining after the controversial event is incompatible with not complaining before the controversial event?

It's easy to complain about anything that doesn't go your way the second it happens, but to balme other people for your own mistake is stupid.

Have you paid attention to Kathy Duva's complaints about Ward?

Have you reviewed Kovalev's resume, in the context of an entire set of American judges scoring Sergey's bouts that were staged on US soil?

Have you reviewed how many of the Eastern European or Communist fighters in Main Events stable that had only American judges scoring their bouts that took place in America?

Have you reviewed Kathy Duva's complaints prior to the first Kovalev-Ward fight that related to all the judges being American?

Have you submitted a post in this thread that relates to the the thread title?

Once again you manage to post a nice little conglomeration of questions while avoiding addressing the facts of the situation.

Your persistent avoidance of my request for clarification is proof that you admit you are yet again talking out of your arse. You should apologize to everyone in this thread for making them a little more stupid by suggesting that one should lodge complaints before the controversial event occurs. Hopefully someday you realize how idiotic your suggestions are, but I doubt you will as that would take a hint of rational thought.

I answered your question but it's disappointing to see you refrain from discussing the facts or your apparent failure to focus your comments on the topic of the thread.

Is it because the reality of the situation fails to adhere to your preferred narrative, since there's no way for you to spin the facts so that they're aligned with your personal bias?

Enlightened-One wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: It's easy to complain about anything that doesn't go your way the second it happens, but to balme other people for your own mistake is stupid.

Have you paid attention to Kathy Duva's complaints about Ward?

Have you reviewed Kovalev's resume, in the context of an entire set of American judges scoring Sergey's bouts that were staged on US soil?

Have you reviewed how many of the Eastern European or Communist fighters in Main Events stable that had only American judges scoring their bouts that took place in America?

Have you reviewed Kathy Duva's complaints prior to the first Kovalev-Ward fight that related to all the judges being American?

Have you submitted a post in this thread that relates to the the thread title?

Once again you manage to post a nice little conglomeration of questions while avoiding addressing the facts of the situation.

Your persistent avoidance of my request for clarification is proof that you admit you are yet again talking out of your arse. You should apologize to everyone in this thread for making them a little more stupid by suggesting that one should lodge complaints before the controversial event occurs. Hopefully someday you realize how idiotic your suggestions are, but I doubt you will as that would take a hint of rational thought.

I answered your question but it's disappointing to see you refrain from discussing the facts or your apparent failure to focus your comments on the topic of the thread.

Is it because the reality of the situation fails to adhere to your preferred narrative, since there's no way for you to spin the facts so that they're aligned with your personal bias?

You have not answered my question. You have not even attempted to answer my question because you know it would be an admission of your foolishness.

Has he ever answered a question? I rarely interact with trolls these days but he's definitely never answered one of mine.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Has he ever answered a question? I rarely interact with trolls these days but he's definitely never answered one of mine.

He loves "asking questions" but cannot answer them himself. He also likes to ask for proof for statements made about him but freely makes inaccurate statements or assumptions about other posters. He's got this sort of Hugh Grant-ish stuttering over his words quality when confronted and can only refer to some unrelated statistic he has already posted while looking at the ground kicking his foot at a rock that isn't there.

punchoutsb wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Has he ever answered a question? I rarely interact with trolls these days but he's definitely never answered one of mine.

He loves "asking questions" but cannot answer them himself. He also likes to ask for proof for statements made about him but freely makes inaccurate statements or assumptions about other posters. He's got this sort of Hugh Grant-ish stuttering over his words quality when confronted and can only refer to some unrelated statistic he has already posted while looking at the ground kicking his foot at a rock that isn't there.

I'd watch a documentary on a group of these internet trolls and why they do it. The obvious need for attention and the projecting of strength when they're weak as a kitten aside, mildly interesting.

Enlightened-One wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores that used a trio of American judges to score each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume.

I listed them in a separate thread.

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters.

I listed them in a separate thread.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

The neutral judges controversy is pure utter bûlllshît!

Your argument about this and your percentages mean absolute horsehiit. I don't understand why you are on this soapbox about this point. What is so hard to understand? Duva and Kovalev feel that they got screwed in the first fight by American judges. THAT is why they want neutral judges. They never requested this before because it never was a problem.

You only change a tire when it's bald or flat, you don't change them every time you drive the car. Your argument is senseless. It's all posturing. They knew that they were not going to get Ward to agree to it. They just wanted it to get out there so that we get a fairly judged fight this time.

A controversial decision is not synonymous with accusations of bias due to nationality, since there is no evidence to prove that the latter caused the former.

If racial bias was commonplace, the facts would be entirely different.

Your opinion does not undermine or explain the facts.

This is why no one likes you.

Don't see the problem with having neutral judges. It's should be compulsory for a fight of this stature anyway you'd think. Kovalev and a lot of others obviously feel the first fight was contentious so what's the issue?

Enlightened-One wrote: A controversial decision is not synonymous with accusations of bias due to nationality, since there is no evidence to prove that the latter caused the former.

..what kind of evidence would you expect in this case? judges making confessions, etc? ...we will NEVER know if the accusations are true or not...what can be done though is to make sure no one has the reason to make similar accusations in the future...all things considered, asking for neutral judges seems to be a fair point to make..

Didn't Arum request the same thing for Pacquiao/Bradley II?

greg wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: A controversial decision is not synonymous with accusations of bias due to nationality, since there is no evidence to prove that the latter caused the former.

..what kind of evidence would you expect in this case? judges making confessions, etc? ...we will NEVER know if the accusations are true or not...what can be done though is to make sure no one has the reason to make similar accusations in the future...all things considered, asking for neutral judges seems to be a fair point to make..

If its a bad decision. It won't matter where the judges are from. There's bad decisions even with so called "neutral judges".

Enlightened-One wrote:We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores that used a trio of American judges to score each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume.

I listed them in a separate thread.

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters.

I listed them in a separate thread.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

The neutral judges controversy is pure utter bûlllshît!

I don't think the judges will matter in this one. Ward will win clearly.
By the way, wasn't the source you used Boxrec? (The source you discredited before because you said anyone could edit it?)

world ranked wrote:

greg wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: A controversial decision is not synonymous with accusations of bias due to nationality, since there is no evidence to prove that the latter caused the former.

..what kind of evidence would you expect in this case? judges making confessions, etc? ...we will NEVER know if the accusations are true or not...what can be done though is to make sure no one has the reason to make similar accusations in the future...all things considered, asking for neutral judges seems to be a fair point to make..

If its a bad decision. It won't matter where the judges are from. There's bad decisions even with so called "neutral judges".

But probability of a bad decision by Vegas judges in this case is higher. Why not eliminate that ?

I agree with Kovalev

boxing_rocks wrote:

world ranked wrote:

greg wrote: ..what kind of evidence would you expect in this case? judges making confessions, etc? ...we will NEVER know if the accusations are true or not...what can be done though is to make sure no one has the reason to make similar accusations in the future...all things considered, asking for neutral judges seems to be a fair point to make..

If its a bad decision. It won't matter where the judges are from. There's bad decisions even with so called "neutral judges".

But probability of a bad decision by Vegas judges in this case is higher. Why not eliminate that ?

Why is it higher?

world ranked wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

world ranked wrote:
If its a bad decision. It won't matter where the judges are from. There's bad decisions even with so called "neutral judges".

But probability of a bad decision by Vegas judges in this case is higher. Why not eliminate that ?

Why is it higher?

Does it even need explanation? Just read through this thread if you don't understand.

boxing_rocks wrote:

world ranked wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
But probability of a bad decision by Vegas judges in this case is higher. Why not eliminate that ?

Why is it higher?

Does it even need explanation? Just read through this thread if you don't understand.

If Kovalev just do what he claimed he would and will do. The judges won't be needed! right. He seems he not sure he can get knockout. One second
he will stop Ward and the next talking about judging. If he does what he says there's no need.

world ranked wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

world ranked wrote:
Why is it higher?

Does it even need explanation? Just read through this thread if you don't understand.

If Kovalev just do what he claimed he would and will do. The judges won't be needed! right. He seems he not sure he can get knockout. One second
he will stop Ward and the next talking about judging. If he does what he says there's no need.

Of course he will try harder to stop Ward this time. However, smart people normally try to cover all possibilities. What is wrong with requesting a better leveled field just in case?

boxing_rocks wrote:

world ranked wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Does it even need explanation? Just read through this thread if you don't understand.

If Kovalev just do what he claimed he would and will do. The judges won't be needed! right. He seems he not sure he can get knockout. One second
he will stop Ward and the next talking about judging. If he does what he says there's no need.

Of course he will try harder to stop Ward this time. However, smart people normally try to cover all possibilities. What is wrong with requesting a better leveled field just in case?

Because according to him he going to stop Ward just like he suppose to in the first fight so there's no need to care for judges. He does his job there's no problem.

world ranked wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

world ranked wrote:
If Kovalev just do what he claimed he would and will do. The judges won't be needed! right. He seems he not sure he can get knockout. One second
he will stop Ward and the next talking about judging. If he does what he says there's no need.

Of course he will try harder to stop Ward this time. However, smart people normally try to cover all possibilities. What is wrong with requesting a better leveled field just in case?

Because according to him he going to stop Ward just like he suppose to in the first fight so there's no need to care for judges. He does his job there's no problem.

My point exactly. As if Kovalev decided not to stop Ward the first time around like he had a choice. He hurt Ward, Ward made a few adjustments and slowed the pace and Kovalev down while going to the body. Kovalev will make the same mistake in the 2nd fight but this time, he'll go balls to the wall, hurt Ward, and punch himself out in the process. Ward knows this.

world ranked wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

world ranked wrote:
If Kovalev just do what he claimed he would and will do. The judges won't be needed! right. He seems he not sure he can get knockout. One second
he will stop Ward and the next talking about judging. If he does what he says there's no need.

Of course he will try harder to stop Ward this time. However, smart people normally try to cover all possibilities. What is wrong with requesting a better leveled field just in case?

Because according to him he going to stop Ward just like he suppose to in the first fight so there's no need to care for judges. He does his job there's no problem.

Have a day off, saying he said he'd knock him out anyway is no reason not to have neutral judges.

There's not a single reason in this thread to go against it

Ossyrules wrote:

world ranked wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Of course he will try harder to stop Ward this time. However, smart people normally try to cover all possibilities. What is wrong with requesting a better leveled field just in case?

Because according to him he going to stop Ward just like he suppose to in the first fight so there's no need to care for judges. He does his job there's no problem.

Have a day off, saying he said he'd knock him out anyway is no reason not to have neutral judges.

There's not a single reason in this thread to go against it

I agree with the point of having neutral judges. But is the really a such thing as neutral judges. Every judge has a questionable fight scored. Bring them from another country doesn't stop corruption. You know what stops it? Kovalev doing what he said he will do. He does the job the judges won't matter.

world ranked wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

world ranked wrote:
Because according to him he going to stop Ward just like he suppose to in the first fight so there's no need to care for judges. He does his job there's no problem.

Have a day off, saying he said he'd knock him out anyway is no reason not to have neutral judges.

There's not a single reason in this thread to go against it

I agree with the point of having neutral judges. But is the really a such thing as neutral judges. Every judge has a questionable fight scored. Bring them from another country doesn't stop corruption. You know what stops it? Kovalev doing what he said he will do. He does the job the judges won't matter.

Everything within reason to strive for neutral judgement is reasonable

Ossyrules wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Have a day off, saying he said he'd knock him out anyway is no reason not to have neutral judges.

There's not a single reason in this thread to go against it

I agree with the point of having neutral judges. But is the really a such thing as neutral judges. Every judge has a questionable fight scored. Bring them from another country doesn't stop corruption. You know what stops it? Kovalev doing what he said he will do. He does the job the judges won't matter.

Everything within reason to strive for neutral judgement is reasonable

Was this request made in the first fight?

world ranked wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

world ranked wrote:
I agree with the point of having neutral judges. But is the really a such thing as neutral judges. Every judge has a questionable fight scored. Bring them from another country doesn't stop corruption. You know what stops it? Kovalev doing what he said he will do. He does the job the judges won't matter.

Everything within reason to strive for neutral judgement is reasonable

Was this request made in the first fight?

world ranked wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

world ranked wrote:
I agree with the point of having neutral judges. But is the really a such thing as neutral judges. Every judge has a questionable fight scored. Bring them from another country doesn't stop corruption. You know what stops it? Kovalev doing what he said he will do. He does the job the judges won't matter.

Everything within reason to strive for neutral judgement is reasonable

Was this request made in the first fight?

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.