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Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 17:53
by pound per pound
Gimp Mask wrote:He has a rematch clause. Should he take it?

In my opinion, no. That was the perfect farewell fight, and I don't see a rematch having a different outcome.
I think he should stay retired, but he might rightly think he can win the re-match.

Suppose Vlad wins the re-match, then what?

Better off retiring I think.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 18:12
by Horse
pound per pound wrote:Suppose Vlad wins the re-match, then what?
Joshua III, Fury II, Wilder or Parker.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 19:10
by Millcitymauler
The problem for Wlad, is that he has always had a habit of pulling straight back with his chin up and his hands low and extended as a means of defense, which makes him extremely vulnerable. I can see Joshua being a lot more aggressive in a rematch and stopping him a lot earlier. People say Wlad's chin isn't good, but that has never been the issue. He just gets caught because of that one amatuerish flaw, which at 41, he isn't going to correct.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 19:12
by gilgamesh
It was one of the best Heavyweight title fights in many years so I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch of it, although honestly I doubt very much it's as dramatic the next time around.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 19:15
by armageto
Wlad should fight one last time in Germany and go out a winner. He doesn't need the money at this point. If he was Hell bound on winning a belt, at least try to get Parker/Wilder/dick head vs Fres fight winner in the ring. Wilder would have a punchers chance, but I think Wlad would win all 3. In a rematch, Joshua would win early, IMO.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 19:17
by gilgamesh
Yeah I agree that's probably what he should do geto. His next fight would be his 70th fight so it'd be a good note to go out on with a W in Germany.

Of course I figure his pride and the multi-million dollar payday that is still waiting for him is going to cause him to fight AJ again.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 20:41
by SaadOffTheDeck
pound per pound wrote:
Gimp Mask wrote:He has a rematch clause. Should he take it?

In my opinion, no. That was the perfect farewell fight, and I don't see a rematch having a different outcome.
I think he should stay retired, but he might rightly think he can win the re-match.

Suppose Vlad wins the re-match, then what?

Better off retiring I think.
Epic trilogy and the third fight would be up there for all time money.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 21:03
by crusader
If he's going to fight again, I'd rather see him cherry-pick someone like Parker and go out on a win.

Although apparently some will have you believe that he only just reached his peak at 41, after 21 years pro!

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 21:06
by SaadOffTheDeck
He certainly isn't in his prime. Whenever that was.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 01 May 2017, 21:17
by punchoutsb
Klitschko is likely no less than 4 years removed from his prime.

It goes to show how great of a fighter he is/was that he is still at the top while being so far past his best.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 02 May 2017, 08:47
by Loki
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He certainly isn't in his prime. Whenever that was.
Saad; are you eating humble pie after all the shite you've dished out on Klitschko over the last x amount of years?

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 02 May 2017, 08:52
by Loki
He has just announced 'he will be back'. He could mean London of course though.

http://www.skysports.com/share/10860401

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 02 May 2017, 09:10
by Ruthless-RKO
He has 3 fights left on his RTL multi-million contract..

Doesn't mean he has to take a rematch.. He can fight anyone

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 02 May 2017, 09:17
by Roars Like Me
I think Wlad was as fit as he's been during this fight and came up short albeit just. I can't see him being any better in a rematch and Joshua is still learning and can improve, in particular from this fight so it's a no for me.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 02 May 2017, 09:35
by Loki
Roars Like Me wrote:I think Wlad was as fit as he's been during this fight and came up short albeit just. I can't see him being any better in a rematch and Joshua is still learning and can improve, in particular from this fight so it's a no for me.
I'm a big K Brothers fan and I hope he walks away. He has nothing left to prove IMO. I would like him personally to fight Fury, just to show it was a rare off night.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 01:48
by SaadOffTheDeck
Loki wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He certainly isn't in his prime. Whenever that was.
Saad; are you eating humble pie after all the shite you've dished out on Klitschko over the last x amount of years?
Hardly, I'm always happy to be wrong when the outcome is a great fight.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 02:06
by Loki
armageto wrote:Wlad should fight one last time in Germany and go out a winner. He doesn't need the money at this point. If he was Hell bound on winning a belt, at least try to get Parker/Wilder/dick head vs Fres fight winner in the ring. Wilder would have a punchers chance, but I think Wlad would win all 3. In a rematch, Joshua would win early, IMO.
I put the AJ rematch at 50/50. Wlad was outboxing him and really should've won.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 02:44
by jbizzle20
No. This is it for him. I always believed that the Joshua fight was his last shot at staying elite. He has been declining for some time now and he is just not top of the line anymore without Steward.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 05:53
by Loki
jbizzle20 wrote:No. This is it for him. I always believed that the Joshua fight was his last shot at staying elite. He has been declining for some time now and he is just not top of the line anymore without Steward.
I agree, he's slipped starting with the Jennings fight, but he was outboxing and really should've beat AJ.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 07:16
by mjones19851
The Jugdes Scorecards had it 95-93 2 times for AJ and 1 card 95-93 for Klitschko at the time of the stoppage.

Klitschko fought well, but again, he got knocked down 3 times and got stopped as well. It seems many people didn`t watch the 5th round for a second time, because Klitschko really nailed Joshua with left hooks, uppercuts and right hands. If you watch carefully, he landed at least 8 really, really good punches on joshuas jaw and joshua still got out of the round. Klitschko wasn`t inactive, he attacked Joshua, but couldn`t catch him at will with his trademark left hook. I don`t see many potential for Klitschko to be a better finisher in a rematch, because he is only able to box in sequences, pummeling people down and forcing a knockout has been a missing ability for him for at least 13 years now.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 11:42
by armageto
Loki wrote:
armageto wrote:Wlad should fight one last time in Germany and go out a winner. He doesn't need the money at this point. If he was Hell bound on winning a belt, at least try to get Parker/Wilder/dick head vs Fres fight winner in the ring. Wilder would have a punchers chance, but I think Wlad would win all 3. In a rematch, Joshua would win early, IMO.
I put the AJ rematch at 50/50. Wlad was outboxing him and really should've won.
My thinking is Wlad will be older now. Joshua will have the confidence about going deep into a fight and over coming adversity. It's hard to see Wlad doing better than his last fight, between the preparation and mental mind state.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 13:39
by diddy
Of course he should take it. He was winning the fight IMO heading into round 11. To get a decision there he's gonna need to win by KO. We all know that.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 14:25
by Thomastearns
That was an astonishing display of movement from Klitschko. Great intelligence in being able to come in with a new tactical master plan that had AJ being wary for most of the fight. Very impressed with AJs handling of this 'new' Klitschko.

Joshua won the fight because his powers of recovery were greater than Klitschko's. Nothing on this earth can change that for a future fight.

Wlad had very little left at the end. Still, the greatest performance ever by a 41 year old heavyweight. Before signing up for a rematch he should take a good look at the feedback stats from his training. He will have to exceed Joshua's rate of improvement by some.

If Tyson Fury agrees to a rematch that would be the better(safer) fight for the new improved Wladimir Klitschko.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 14:41
by diddy
Joshua's chin is crap. Chances are Wlad will get to it again. Next time he needs to throw caution to the win and not just assume his opponent is "done". Wlad thought Joshua emptied his tank the previous round and wouldn't recover from the KD. An error in judgement.

Re: Should Wladimir take the rematch?

Posted: 05 May 2017, 14:42
by diddy
Thomastearns wrote:That was an astonishing display of movement from Klitschko. Great intelligence in being able to come in with a new tactical master plan that had AJ being wary for most of the fight. Very impressed with AJs handling of this 'new' Klitschko.

Joshua won the fight because his powers of recovery were greater than Klitschko's. Nothing on this earth can change that for a future fight.

Wlad had very little left at the end. Still, the greatest performance ever by a 41 year old heavyweight. Before signing up for a rematch he should take a good look at the feedback stats from his training. He will have to exceed Joshua's rate of improvement by some.

If Tyson Fury agrees to a rematch that would be the better(safer) fight for the new improved Wladimir Klitschko.
Disagree. Fury is long, gangly and awkward. Joshua is an orthodox fighter. Fury is a bad style match for Wlad with his gangliness and movement and length. Joshua doesn't present those obstacles.