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Too much hype. I've seen him compared to Ali.

youngrell wrote:

Quix wrote:

youngrell wrote:Prior to Saturday night there absolutely was way too much hype surrounding Joshua, as we had yet to see him tested properly to be declaring him the best at anything.

However, Saturday night he answered pretty much every question that boxing fans had about him and has proven he deserves the hype after all.

Bizarre to come up with this now after his performance at the weekend.

After what i said in the original OP giving my reasons why i think he is being over hyped by the media, i find it very odd that you think otherwise. How is it bizarre ? It's just a rational, sensible and balanced opinion with regards to Joshua, his career to date and the fight and opponent he faced in Klitschko. I find your comments bizarre to be honest that you can't see the hype is unjustified. Give Joshua praise and respect, yes, but not what's been written since the fight.

Like I said, prior to beating the guy who has dominated the division for the past 10 years, I agree that Joshua was being overhyped as he hadn't fought anyone of note.

It's strange timing to now claim he's overhyped after his only legit, world level win, and one in which he came through adversity to win.

Note: I do not read what the media says so haven't seen all the hype you are talking about, I take a fighters standing from what I see with my own eyes and the opinions of other boxing fans who do not have an agenda.

He is over hyped in the sense that the media pundits are claiming him to be one of the greatest heavyweights, someone who could go on to equal Ali. He apparently deserves a knighthood for what he has done for boxing and is in a few journalists all time top five heavyweight fights of all time with his fight against Klitschko. That is what i mean by being over hyped. The reality is that he is a virtual novice of 19 fights who became a world champion in such a short period of time because the division is extremely weak. He had fought nobody of any note until the Klitschko fight and in fighting Klitschko, he was taking on a 41 year old bloke who lost his title to another fairly average fighter in Fury and had been inactive for quite some time. He also struggled for large periods in that fight, was put down and was out on his feet. All against an aging 41 year old who was never the best heavyweight as a champion, who also ruled in a weak era. Give Joshua some praise and respect for what he has achieved, yes, but make sure its balanced and truthful, not the overblown nonsense that has been coming from the main stream media since the fight on Saturday night.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

youngrell wrote:

Quix wrote:
After what i said in the original OP giving my reasons why i think he is being over hyped by the media, i find it very odd that you think otherwise. How is it bizarre ? It's just a rational, sensible and balanced opinion with regards to Joshua, his career to date and the fight and opponent he faced in Klitschko. I find your comments bizarre to be honest that you can't see the hype is unjustified. Give Joshua praise and respect, yes, but not what's been written since the fight.

Like I said, prior to beating the guy who has dominated the division for the past 10 years, I agree that Joshua was being overhyped as he hadn't fought anyone of note.

It's strange timing to now claim he's overhyped after his only legit, world level win, and one in which he came through adversity to win.

Note: I do not read what the media says so haven't seen all the hype you are talking about, I take a fighters standing from what I see with my own eyes and the opinions of other boxing fans who do not have an agenda.

I'd say we need to temper the hype, the only thing in AJ's favour is, there's very little out there to beat right now. Ortiz is probably the only heavy I could see giving him trouble, and Ortiz is looking like he's running out of steam.

I agree on calming the hype. It's been ridiculous since the fight on Saturday.

Tanzio wrote:

Quix wrote:

Tanzio wrote: What is "absurd" about comparing Joshua v Wlad to the "all time 5 best HW bouts?"

Can you name five heavy weight championship fights that you have seen that were better?

This fight and these fighters deserve all the hype that they have received for this game changing event for boxing. If anything has been over hyped it is Fury v Wlad which was absolutely horrid for promoting the sport. On top of that the worship of a person who has made a mockery of himself and the heavy weight championship itself is what is 100% absurd.

The two fights with Ali and Frazier and the Foreman vs Ali fight. You could also say Foreman vs Lyle, Holmes vs Norton, Tyson vs Douglas, Holyfield vs Tyson (1), Lewis vs Tyson, the list goes on and that's not even considering the likes of Marciano, Liston, Dempsey etc. So, no the Klitschko vs Joshua fight comes nowhere near the top five and if you think it is, then you haven't seen many great heavyweight title fights. A great heavyweight title fights is also about two recognized quality fighters, fighting each other in their primes. So a virtual novice of 19 fights who pre Klitschko had fought nobody of any note and against an aging 41 year ex and inactive world champion doesn't square it. The hype was and is over the top and for the reasons i layed out in my original post. Boxing wise, they haven't taken anything to a new level, it was factors like how it was marketed and tickets sold that changed the scene, not the fight itself.

"You could also say" whatever you want to pull out of your ass. The fact is that this fight is comparable to any of them. That does not mean that it is better than all of those fights but it is comparable to every single one of them.

It was a great heavy weight fight.

Ah lol, so you can't come back at what iv'e said with anything constructive, so get annoyed and come out with statement " whatever you want to pull out of your ass " priceless lol. You clearly don't know what you are talking about and clearly haven't watched many or any great heavyweight title fights. To compare Joshua vs Klitschko to the fights i listed, of which there are man more, is pure nonsense. It was a good heavyweight fight, but not in the realm of a top five all time heavyweight title fight. Go and do some research and watch some of the fights i listed. Then if you have any objectivity, you will clearly see how wrong you are to make the claim that the Joshua vs Klitschko fight is comparable to that list. For a start, the list i picked were fighters in their prime years or just about and were quality and noted fighters fighting each other. You're way off friend lol, it's laughable.

SMALL AXE1 wrote:Too much hype. I've seen him compared to Ali.

Yeah, way too much and that quote about being the next Ali is total nonsense.

Quix wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Quix wrote:
The two fights with Ali and Frazier and the Foreman vs Ali fight. You could also say Foreman vs Lyle, Holmes vs Norton, Tyson vs Douglas, Holyfield vs Tyson (1), Lewis vs Tyson, the list goes on and that's not even considering the likes of Marciano, Liston, Dempsey etc. So, no the Klitschko vs Joshua fight comes nowhere near the top five and if you think it is, then you haven't seen many great heavyweight title fights. A great heavyweight title fights is also about two recognized quality fighters, fighting each other in their primes. So a virtual novice of 19 fights who pre Klitschko had fought nobody of any note and against an aging 41 year ex and inactive world champion doesn't square it. The hype was and is over the top and for the reasons i layed out in my original post. Boxing wise, they haven't taken anything to a new level, it was factors like how it was marketed and tickets sold that changed the scene, not the fight itself.

"You could also say" whatever you want to pull out of your ass. The fact is that this fight is comparable to any of them. That does not mean that it is better than all of those fights but it is comparable to every single one of them.

It was a great heavy weight fight.

Ah lol, so you can't come back at what iv'e said with anything constructive, so get annoyed and come out with statement " whatever you want to pull out of your ass " priceless lol. You clearly don't know what you are talking about and clearly haven't watched many or any great heavyweight title fights. To compare Joshua vs Klitschko to the fights i listed, of which there are man more, is pure nonsense. It was a good heavyweight fight, but not in the realm of a top five all time heavyweight title fight. Go and do some research and watch some of the fights i listed. Then if you have any objectivity, you will clearly see how wrong you are to make the claim that the Joshua vs Klitschko fight is comparable to that list. For a start, the list i picked were fighters in their prime years or just about and were quality and noted fighters fighting each other. You're way off friend lol, it's laughable.

I have watched every great heavy weight championship fight live since 1960. This was one of them.

Tanzio wrote:

Quix wrote:

Tanzio wrote: "You could also say" whatever you want to pull out of your ass. The fact is that this fight is comparable to any of them. That does not mean that it is better than all of those fights but it is comparable to every single one of them.

It was a great heavy weight fight.

Ah lol, so you can't come back at what iv'e said with anything constructive, so get annoyed and come out with statement " whatever you want to pull out of your ass " priceless lol. You clearly don't know what you are talking about and clearly haven't watched many or any great heavyweight title fights. To compare Joshua vs Klitschko to the fights i listed, of which there are man more, is pure nonsense. It was a good heavyweight fight, but not in the realm of a top five all time heavyweight title fight. Go and do some research and watch some of the fights i listed. Then if you have any objectivity, you will clearly see how wrong you are to make the claim that the Joshua vs Klitschko fight is comparable to that list. For a start, the list i picked were fighters in their prime years or just about and were quality and noted fighters fighting each other. You're way off friend lol, it's laughable.

I have watched every great heavy weight championship fight live since 1960. This was one of them.

Ok, turns out I lied. I can remember a few that I had to catch on WWS.

Finally got home to see this on my home theater system. This fight and the combatants cannot be over hyped at the moment. That was one of the greatest heavy weight fights in the history of boxing. Joshua is a fvcking badass. If he stays focused and continues improving he can be an ATG. He is not there yet but he is a very talented boxer with excellent beard and huge pop.

The heavy weight division is the top of the heap again.

Many berate the depth of the division. It is better than it has been fo some time and it is improving. Who wants some of the king of the boxing mountain? You best come with skills, gifts, a hard hat and a lunch bucket.

This king will not go quietly and he is a great, great role model for kids fighting for a better life.

Jesus, its threads like this that make you want to leave boxing forums as they have been overrun by casuals masquerading as real fans

"This king will not go quietly"
"One of the top five greatest heavyweight fights"

tobyh5 wrote:Jesus, its threads like this that make you want to leave boxing forums as they have been overrun by casuals masquerading as real fans

"This king will not go quietly"
"One of the top five greatest heavyweight fights"

Exactly and it's one of the reasons why i don't post very often nowadays. I was genuinely interested in what people thought re the hype after the Joshua - Klitschko fight. To me it was nonsense and embarrassing to say the least. I glad to see other people like yourself think like i do.

Tanzio wrote:Finally got home to see this on my home theater system. This fight and the combatants cannot be over hyped at the moment. That was one of the greatest heavy weight fights in the history of boxing. Joshua is a fvcking badass. If he stays focused and continues improving he can be an ATG. He is not there yet but he is a very talented boxer with excellent beard and huge pop.

The heavy weight division is the top of the heap again.

Many berate the depth of the division. It is better than it has been fo some time and it is improving. Who wants some of the king of the boxing mountain? You best come with skills, gifts, a hard hat and a lunch bucket.

This king will not go quietly and he is a great, great role model for kids fighting for a better life.

lol, ok fella, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's deluded none the less. As ive said with my list of fights, it's nowhere near one of the best heavyweight title fights. Joahua isn't a badass, he's an inexperienced fighter who has some talent and is a champion because the division is so weak. You can only be an all time great if you have quality fighters to fight that are noted champions and are also in their prime years as well. The heavyweight division is as weak as hell, who is out there ? Fury, Wilder and a lame Haye ? Jeez, that's terrible. The division has been weak for well over a decade, since Lewis retired and has become a virtual freak show. It is not improving, only how it's been marketed to the public. Joshua is a decent guy and deserves respect, but he isn't great and has a lot to learn. He has a long way to go and many tough fights against quality opponents, if any come along, before he can claim any greatness.

SMALL AXE1 wrote:Too much hype. I've seen him compared to Ali.

There's nothing wrong with comparing him to Ali.

Anthony Joshua's career to date is not as good as Muhammad Ali's.

See.

Quix wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

straali wrote: Ron Lewis listing the fight as comparable to all time 5 best HW bouts. It's absurd.

What is "absurd" about comparing Joshua v Wlad to the "all time 5 best HW bouts?"

Can you name five heavy weight championship fights that you have seen that were better?

This fight and these fighters deserve all the hype that they have received for this game changing event for boxing. If anything has been over hyped it is Fury v Wlad which was absolutely horrid for promoting the sport. On top of that the worship of a person who has made a mockery of himself and the heavy weight championship itself is what is 100% absurd.

The two fights with Ali and Frazier and the Foreman vs Ali fight. You could also say Foreman vs Lyle, Holmes vs Norton, Tyson vs Douglas, Holyfield vs Tyson (1), Lewis vs Tyson, the list goes on and that's not even considering the likes of Marciano, Liston, Dempsey etc. So, no the Klitschko vs Joshua fight comes nowhere near the top five and if you think it is, then you haven't seen many great heavyweight title fights. A great heavyweight title fights is also about two recognized quality fighters, fighting each other in their primes. So a virtual novice of 19 fights who pre Klitschko had fought nobody of any note and against an aging 41 year ex and inactive world champion doesn't square it. The hype was and is over the top and for the reasons i layed out in my original post. Boxing wise, they haven't taken anything to a new level, it was factors like how it was marketed and tickets sold that changed the scene, not the fight itself.

What was so great about Lewis-Tyson?

Holyfield/Tyson was one-sided too and foreman/Lyle wasn't a title fight. That being said, no way was that top 5.

tobyh5 wrote:Jesus, its threads like this that make you want to leave boxing forums as they have been overrun by casuals masquerading as real fans

"This king will not go quietly"
"One of the top five greatest heavyweight fights"

Joshua is the king of the heavyeights. He has become the king in legitimate fashion. He is young, has good skills, an excellent chin, and major pop. He has good ring intelligence. Yes, AJ has a lot to learn but he passed a significant test that most heavyweights in history would have failed, including many belt holders.

I did not claim that this is one of the top five greatest heavyweight fights of alltime. I said that it is comparable to the top five and that it was a great, great fight.

What I asked is for someone to name five heavyweight championship fights that were greater. Nobody has accomplished that yet.

A heavyweight champion like Joshua should be hyped and deserves to be. Alleged boxing fans who claim otherwise are living in the past and stuck in a half glass empty perspective. Joshua is exponentially better for the sport than that hulking lump of coked out mental mush that so many on this forum worship.

My challenge stands for one and all; name five heavyweight championship fights that you have actually watched that were greater than AJ v Wlad.

Tanzio wrote: My challenge stands for one and all; name five heavyweight championship fights that you have actually watched that were greater than AJ v Wlad.

Ali v Frazier 1
Ali v Frazier 2
Ali v Foreman
Forman v Frazier
Holyfield v Tyson 1

Quix wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Finally got home to see this on my home theater system. This fight and the combatants cannot be over hyped at the moment. That was one of the greatest heavy weight fights in the history of boxing. Joshua is a fvcking badass. If he stays focused and continues improving he can be an ATG. He is not there yet but he is a very talented boxer with excellent beard and huge pop.

The heavy weight division is the top of the heap again.

Many berate the depth of the division. It is better than it has been fo some time and it is improving. Who wants some of the king of the boxing mountain? You best come with skills, gifts, a hard hat and a lunch bucket.

This king will not go quietly and he is a great, great role model for kids fighting for a better life.

lol, ok fella, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's deluded none the less. As ive said with my list of fights, it's nowhere near one of the best heavyweight title fights. Joahua isn't a badass, he's an inexperienced fighter who has some talent and is a champion because the division is so weak. You can only be an all time great if you have quality fighters to fight that are noted champions and are also in their prime years as well. The heavyweight division is as weak as hell, who is out there ? Fury, Wilder and a lame Haye ? Jeez, that's terrible. The division has been weak for well over a decade, since Lewis retired and has become a virtual freak show. It is not improving, only how it's been marketed to the public. Joshua is a decent guy and deserves respect, but he isn't great and has a lot to learn. He has a long way to go and many tough fights against quality opponents, if any come along, before he can claim any greatness.

Your list of fights is what is "deluded." But, feel free to try again. You are also deluded to think that "it's nowhere near one of the best heavyweight title fights." But, what you are right about is that we are all entitled to our own opinion. Your opinions just happen to be completely off base.

For instance, you claim that "Joshua isn't a badass." With that you completely delegitimize your opinion. You make a mockery of yourself, though not quite on the level of the traveling coke troll.

Right now Joshua would present a legitimate challenge to every heavyweight champion in the history of boxing. I am not saying that he would defeat them all but he would have a shot at defeating every single one of them, and he is just getting started.

Furthermore, while the division is by no means the strongest that it has ever been it is also nowhere near the weakest. You berate it without legitimately comparing it to other eras.

First of all, it is far stronger than it was during most of Wlad's reign. It is also stronger than most eras prior to 1960. It is stronger than at least the majority of Joe Louis's era. There is an argument to be made that it is stronger than the late 80's era of Tyson's run.

You are the classic case of a self proclaimed hardcore boxing fan who projectile vomits bullsh!t and expects everyone to consume it quietly. I reject your regurgitated shallow crap.

Wlad at 41 would absolutely decimate the vast majority of the heavyweights in boxing history, including the majority of champions. That means that AJ would do the same.

PEDvetkin could compete at a high level in every era in boxing history. Wilder would be lethal for any but the top tier of any era. Parker could compete with the vast majority of top ten boxers of any era. Pulev, while outgunned by the likes of Wlad and likely AJ, could compete in any era.

You and others act as though the HW div has historically been this deep pool of great talent. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even in the best of eras, which I would consider to be the late 60's to the early 80's and the 90's, there were a handful of top tier fighters and a bunch of wannabe hard working journeymen. Chisora would be a threat to take the championship in most eras, for fvck's sake.

AJ won in a great heavyweight championship war last Saturday. That does not make him a great fighter on the historical level, yet. But it certainly was his Ali v Liston I moment, and it was a much better fight than that was.

leejonesjnr wrote:

Tanzio wrote: My challenge stands for one and all; name five heavyweight championship fights that you have actually watched that were greater than AJ v Wlad.

Ali v Frazier 1
Ali v Frazier 2
Ali v Foreman
Forman v Frazier
Holyfield v Tyson 1

I disagree with Foreman v Frazier and Holyfield v Tyson. Also, Ali v Foreman was not as good of a fight.

Foreman v Frazier was not Hagler v The Hitman. Foreman utterly decimated Frazier. It was not competitive.

Holyfield dominated Tyson.

Foreman failed to recognize he was being rope a doped and could not get off the canvas and make it a fight the way that both Wlad and AJ did.

Tanzio wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:

Tanzio wrote: My challenge stands for one and all; name five heavyweight championship fights that you have actually watched that were greater than AJ v Wlad.

Ali v Frazier 1
Ali v Frazier 2
Ali v Foreman
Forman v Frazier
Holyfield v Tyson 1

I disagree with Foreman v Frazier and Holyfield v Tyson. Also, Ali v Foreman was not as good of a fight.

Foreman v Frazier was not Hagler v The Hitman. Foreman utterly decimated Frazier. It was not competitive.

Holyfield dominated Tyson.

Foreman failed to recognize he was being rope a doped and could not get off the canvas and make it a fight the way that both Wlad and AJ did.

Disagree as much as you like petal

leejonesjnr wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:
Ali v Frazier 1
Ali v Frazier 2
Ali v Foreman
Forman v Frazier
Holyfield v Tyson 1

I disagree with Foreman v Frazier and Holyfield v Tyson. Also, Ali v Foreman was not as good of a fight.

Foreman v Frazier was not Hagler v The Hitman. Foreman utterly decimated Frazier. It was not competitive.

Holyfield dominated Tyson.

Foreman failed to recognize he was being rope a doped and could not get off the canvas and make it a fight the way that both Wlad and AJ did.

Disagree as much as you like petal

I shall, skidmark.

Ali/Frazier 2 wasn't a title fight. Surprised nobody has mentioned holyfield/Bowe x3.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ali/Frazier 2 wasn't a title fight. Surprised nobody has mentioned holyfield/Bowe x3.

Good points. The great fights are out there. Most just have not been mentioned yet.

Tanzio wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ali/Frazier 2 wasn't a title fight. Surprised nobody has mentioned holyfield/Bowe x3.

Good points. The great fights are out there. Most just have not been mentioned yet.

Moorer/Cooper is one I'm partial too.

Tanzio wrote:

straali wrote: Ron Lewis listing the fight as comparable to all time 5 best HW bouts. It's absurd.

What is "absurd" about comparing Joshua v Wlad to the "all time 5 best HW bouts?"

Can you name five heavy weight championship fights that you have seen that were better?

This fight and these fighters deserve all the hype that they have received for this game changing event for boxing. If anything has been over hyped it is Fury v Wlad which was absolutely horrid for promoting the sport. On top of that the worship of a person who has made a mockery of himself and the heavy weight championship itself is what is 100% absurd.

Good post.

I've said here before. I was desperate to see Joshua get smashed. But even I will admit last Saturday will go down as a classic which I know I will be rewatching many times again over my life.

Furys fight with Klitschko I watched live on stream and rewatched on the year anniversary a few months back and will never watch it again.

Tanzio wrote:

straali wrote: Ron Lewis listing the fight as comparable to all time 5 best HW bouts. It's absurd.

What is "absurd" about comparing Joshua v Wlad to the "all time 5 best HW bouts?"

Can you name five heavy weight championship fights that you have seen that were better?

This fight and these fighters deserve all the hype that they have received for this game changing event for boxing. If anything has been over hyped it is Fury v Wlad which was absolutely horrid for promoting the sport. On top of that the worship of a person who has made a mockery of himself and the heavy weight championship itself is what is 100% absurd.

Spot on Tanzio.