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davie wrote:

verlichte wrote:

ValMar wrote:2. I don't know any top level fighter without power - good chin.

Ricky Burns has never been stopped and he faced Terence Crawford, but he only possesses a 29% KO ratio, despite having faced quite a lot of journeymen over the span of 48 fights.

He has only scored three early stoppages in the last four years, over the span of ten fights.

Does he count?

Yes

You can tag his chin so hard it breaks before you can knock him out

Can't punch for sh1t

When I went to the barn 20 odd years ago to train, all they did was skipping and sparring. I never seen anyone do the pads and the bags were shite. They could all fight like fornicate but technique wasn't really a big deal. I reckon this is why Ricky doesn't score many knockouts, ecause he does have pop but sloppy technique. His hook to KO Mitchell was a belter for instance. When he digs it to the body it's a powerful punch but he's mostly jabbing and flurrying.

jezzamundo wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
If GGG isn't a big middleweight puncher, who is?! I do think his power gets overstated by some and his KO record is from a combination of his timing, accuracy and power and his own strong chin which allows him to take risks.

You could make an argument that Wilder had only faced bums up until fighting Stiverne, and that his power was overrated. I don't think you can do that with GGG - he has faced several top 10 and top 5 fighters in his division, many of whom are durable, some had never been stopped before.

GGG just blows a million hits, but never, or barely ever a real one hit KO.
Even in comparation I think Povetkin has a harder punch for example, despite he doesn't have a real high KO rating, but if you see Povetkin hitting someone good then the guy won't be able to stand up for a minit (Duhaupas, Takam, Perez).

Of course Povetkin has a harder punch - he's a heavyweight! In a p4p sense, GGG is a very big puncher, his power is probably about average (or a little above) for a light heavyweight, but he fights at middle. Also, please see GGG vs Ishida (never stopped before, out cold against GGG from one punch), Macklin (had never been stopped early before) and Rubio.

Oké, that's a nice KO, I'd have to admit

Randall 'Tex' Cobb - classic weak puncher/great chin combination.

Paulie Malinaggi had good whiskers but couldn't punch, I saw a meme about Paulie, "Float like a butterfly, sting like a butterfly"

Terry Norris had good power but his chin was suspect.

matthewcb wrote:Randall 'Tex' Cobb - classic weak puncher/great chin combination.

Absolutely! ... Off-topic I know but also one of the funniest guys ever to lace on gloves. There are quite a number of great quotes and anecdotes attributed to him, I could give you twenty of his quips but I'll just leave you with one: When asked about his impervious chin he surprised the audience by admitting he had actually been knocked out, just once ... by a Mexican bantamweight - shock, horror ... and then the punch line "it wasn't in the ring it was in a bar ... and several of his amigos were swinging him around by his ankles at the time"

Back on topic Jeff Merritt, whose nickname I took for my user name, was a tremendous one punch hitter who broke stablemate Earnie Shaver's jaw in sparring while Earnie was preparing for a big fight. He also finished Ernie Terrell in one and Ron Stander who had little else but had a great chin in three rounds, when both were past their best.

On the other hand he was himself knocked out by Stan Ward who wasn't regarded as anything special as a puncher, and by Henry Clark who was distinctly average in that department too.

Cobb wasn't a weak puncher.

zojo, wrote:Courage Tshabalala. Zuri Lawrence

Zuri Lawrence came to mind who had no power but a decent chin.
David Price great power with no chin...
Joe Mesi solid power with no chin...
Oleg Maskaev solid power with no chin...
Andrew Golota solid power with no chin...
Neven Pajkic solid chin with no power...
Carlos Takam great chin with little power...

You're confusing not having a great chin (maskaev, Mesi) with having no chin(price or Bobick).

fightseer wrote:Paulie Malinaggi had good whiskers but couldn't punch, I saw a meme about Paulie, "Float like a butterfly, sting like a butterfly"

Terry Norris had good power but his chin was suspect.

I think that might be an insult to butterflies. I mean, they still probably hit harder than Paulie.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Cobb wasn't a weak puncher.

Actually you're right, he was a pretty hard hitter but it's his chin that he'll be remembered for. I just wanted an excuse to talk about him and since I've found another ...

there's a story about Cobb, who as we all know was a white Texan, as tough and macho as they come, was speaking at a fighters' convention where there were a lot of top ex-fighters many of whom were black. Cobb said what a great honour and a privilege it was for him to be standing there in front of some of the baddest n*****s who ever laced on gloves.

At this point, objecting to the dreaded N-word we are no longer allowed to use, up jumped (eighties heavyweight contender who almost knocked out Larry Holmes and was a contemporary and rival of Cobb's) Reinaldo Snipes who exclaimed "I object to being called a n*****"

Cobb retorted "Oh I weren't talking 'bout you Snipes - I was only talkin' 'bout the baaaad ones"

He was definitely funny. There is a whole thread of his quotes somewhere in botp.

If Carl "The Truth" Williams had a chin I think he could've been fantastic. He was exciting, and charismatic. Absolutely loved the build up / interview to the Larry Holmes fight. It's just too bad he had nothing left after Weaver and Tyson were through with him

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He was definitely funny. There is a whole thread of his quotes somewhere in botp.

Since I'm now feeling pretty stoopid anyway, I guess I might as well go the whole hog ... what's botp?

candyslim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He was definitely funny. There is a whole thread of his quotes somewhere in botp.

Since I'm now feeling pretty stoopid anyway, I guess I might as well go the whole hog ... what's botp?

Boxers of the past.

My bad, boxing history.

I don't think Williams had a particularly poor chin but he was lacking something at the very highest level - mental toughness, the warrior heart, physical endurance, definitely something but not easy to pin down.

Thanks for that Saad I shall have to check it out.

Morrison/Williams is a seldom mentioned classic.

candyslim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Cobb wasn't a weak puncher.

Actually you're right, he was a pretty hard hitter but it's his chin that he'll be remembered for. I just wanted an excuse to talk about him and since I've found another ...

there's a story about Cobb, who as we all know was a white Texan, as tough and macho as they come, was speaking at a fighters' convention where there were a lot of top ex-fighters many of whom were black. Cobb said what a great honour and a privilege it was for him to be standing there in front of some of the baddest n*****s who ever laced on gloves.

At this point, objecting to the dreaded N-word we are no longer allowed to use, up jumped (eighties heavyweight contender who almost knocked out Larry Holmes and was a contemporary and rival of Cobb's) Reinaldo Snipes who exclaimed "I object to being called a n*****"

Cobb retorted "Oh I weren't talking 'bout you Snipes - I was only talkin' 'bout the baaaad ones"

Thats brilliant lol

asdfjkl wrote:Wach perhaps, Muhammad Ali, Floyd Mayweather, ggg

Wach was very slow but could hit... He embalmed Christian Hammer and Archie McBride -- who weren't fast enough to escape his right.

GGG is one of the greatest punchers ever -- with one of the greatest chins ever.

Nigel Benn... Sonny Liston (floored by phantom punch)... George Foreman (floored by feather hitting Jimmy Young)... Bob Satterfield (Big puncher no chin)

Good chin and no punch: Denny Moyer... Joey Giardello... Ken Buchanan... Muhammad Ali... Kid Gavilan... Tommy Gibbons... Jimmy Braddock... Sweetpea Whitaker... Joe Calzaghe... Gene Fullmer... Jake LaMotta... Joey Maxim... Andre Ward... Tim Bradley... Tex Cobb... Joe Bugner

It is very interesting thread made almost a year ago. It would be fine to continue discussion.