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I really like Teddy Atlas but then I'm a Brit and so haven't suffered being overexposed to him - familiarity breeding contempt as they say.

Actually I agreed with what he said about great fights being what you expected to see back in the day. Please don't slag off the Foreman v Lyle fight, Kalan. It was an absolute war and one of the most exciting Heavyweight fights I've ever seen. George is an ATG and Lyle was one tough s.o.b. who took him to the limit of his endurance. Five knockdowns was it ... Lyle down three times, Foreman twice if memory serves? No it wasn't a great example of the noble art of self defence but all the better for that. There's a time and a place for artistry and that wasn't it.

He's right, the number of good to great Heavyweight fights in the seventies was mindblowing, seriously, and the eighties and nineties none too shabby either.

Compared to then we are surviving on crusts not that I'm suggesting that Joshua v Klitschko was in any way lacking you understand, far from it..

nikos6 wrote:

Kalan wrote:Atlas crapped all over the Joshua-Klitschko Fight... Neither is an American so that was not surprising... He said fights like that happened all the time back in the day.. and he compared it to the Foreman Lyle fight.. Really??? George and Ronnie walked into punches.. That was a couple of 4th graders swinging. No footwork.. no defense.. no setting anything up.. no body shots or slick uppercuts.. The winner was decided on who was the less exhausted of the pair which happened to be George.

Why do you think this is? Did he just forget? Is he just biased against the present? Is he one of those "back in my day.....things were unbelievable, and nowadays they do not have any of the skill"? He seems like a smart guy at times, so its strange to see this strong bias without even explaining deeply why the 'old days' were so great. Happens all the time when it comes to old Basketball players in the NBA. They all think they would average at least 30% + more today then the 'great' old days.

On this he is very right

candyslim wrote:I really like Teddy Atlas but then I'm a Brit and so haven't suffered being overexposed to him - familiarity breeding contempt as they say.

Actually I agreed with what he said about great fights being what you expected to see back in the day. Please don't slag off the Foreman v Lyle fight, Kalan. It was an absolute war and one of the most exciting Heavyweight fights I've ever seen. George is an ATG and Lyle was one tough s.o.b. who took him to the limit of his endurance. Five knockdowns was it ... Lyle down three times, Foreman twice if memory serves? No it wasn't a great example of the noble art of self defence but all the better for that. There's a time and a place for artistry and that wasn't it.

He's right, the number of good to great Heavyweight fights in the seventies was mindblowing, seriously, and the eighties and nineties none too shabby either.

Compared to then we are surviving on crusts not that I'm suggesting that Joshua v Klitschko was in any way lacking you understand, far from it..

I'll tell you what... I've seen hundreds of slug-fests in Boxing... When 2 gladiators were matched in the Colosseum they took their sword and tried to cut the other guy down.. They had no choice if they wanted to live.. A boxer doesn’t need to take chances like that. If Boxing is your day job you have plenty of time to practice and perfect your craft -- so you might be good after about 10 years or so. You might treat us to something rarer than a swingfest – which is a dazzling boxing performance.

If I go to a show I want to see a professional.. If it’s singing, dancing, acting, magic, trapeze artists, comedians, gymnastics, the NBA playoffs, or the Super Bowl -- give me the real stuff. I don’t want to see 2 guys swapping shots like a couple amateurs. The Joshua-Klitschko Heavyweight Title Fight was amazing. Foreman-Lyle? Not so much.

Kalan wrote: The Joshua-Klitschko Heavyweight Title Fight was amazing. Foreman-Lyle? Not so much.

So, watching Wlad expertly shake his ass for 10.5 rds in front of Joshua is more exciting than 2 fighters taking turns in decapitating each other inside 15 minutes?

Whatever floats your boat then...

Kalan is a knowledgeable proffesional idiot alter ego created by one of the mods to bring traffic with his knowledgeable lengthy writings with a trollish twist....so hecsays lyle -foreman was no better than two grannies at the nags head and we are all sposed to get worked up and post on here en masse....just ignore his bs

Bricks wrote:Kalan is a knowledgeable proffesional idiot alter ego created by one of the mods to bring traffic with his knowledgeable lengthy writings with a trollish twist....so hecsays lyle -foreman was no better than two grannies at the nags head and we are all sposed to get worked up and post on here en masse....just ignore his bs

Kalan wrote:

candyslim wrote:I really like Teddy Atlas but then I'm a Brit and so haven't suffered being overexposed to him - familiarity breeding contempt as they say.

Actually I agreed with what he said about great fights being what you expected to see back in the day. Please don't slag off the Foreman v Lyle fight, Kalan. It was an absolute war and one of the most exciting Heavyweight fights I've ever seen. George is an ATG and Lyle was one tough s.o.b. who took him to the limit of his endurance. Five knockdowns was it ... Lyle down three times, Foreman twice if memory serves? No it wasn't a great example of the noble art of self defence but all the better for that. There's a time and a place for artistry and that wasn't it.

He's right, the number of good to great Heavyweight fights in the seventies was mindblowing, seriously, and the eighties and nineties none too shabby either.

Compared to then we are surviving on crusts not that I'm suggesting that Joshua v Klitschko was in any way lacking you understand, far from it..

I'll tell you what... I've seen hundreds of slug-fests in Boxing... When 2 gladiators were matched in the Colosseum they took their sword and tried to cut the other guy down.. They had no choice if they wanted to live.. A boxer doesn’t need to take chances like that. If Boxing is your day job you have plenty of time to practice and perfect your craft -- so you might be good after about 10 years or so. You might treat us to something rarer than a swingfest – which is a dazzling boxing performance.

If I go to a show I want to see a professional.. If it’s singing, dancing, acting, magic, trapeze artists, comedians, gymnastics, the NBA playoffs, or the Super Bowl -- give me the real stuff. I don’t want to see 2 guys swapping shots like a couple amateurs. The Joshua-Klitschko Heavyweight Title Fight was amazing. Foreman-Lyle? Not so much.

Oh I've nothing against artistry Kalan, I love to watch a technical master boxer or better still, two of them competing against each other, even if they are both the proverbial powder-puff puncher.

It is totally unreasonable to expect such technique from Big George or from Ron Lyle, they were never that kind of boxer. Both guys had a good jab, and could do the basics well enough, but both relied mostly on the physical attributes of strength, endurance and power. I know you are perfectly aware of this. This led to a magnificent spectacular slugfest and I make no apology for enjoying that every bit as much, maybe more so.

As Crow said, "Whatever floats your boat" Kalan, but great fights aren't an every day occurrence, so it seems a shame to deny yourself the enjoyment of a proportion of them by getting sniffy about those that deviate from the purists' handbook. Your choice of course my friend.