Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

[Counter-puncher]

Tyson Fury is a poor joke. He is far more dangerous to himself than he is to other boxers. He does not rate being considered a boxer at this point.

Fury is the worst champion of any flavor related to boxing. Utterly pathetic.

Although I agree Fury perhaps received too much respect by some for the beating of an underwhelming Klitschko, the degree of which you pour scorn on to Fury every 5-6 posts is borderline trolling.

making a 60-fight, 20-defence champion look like a relative novice commands a certain kudos

[walshb]

I think once AJ finds range and scores clean he will KO Fury, who is a KO waiting to happen.

[Tanzio]

Tyson Fury is a poor joke. He is far more dangerous to himself than he is to other boxers. He does not rate being considered a boxer at this point.

Fury is the worst champion of any flavor related to boxing. Utterly pathetic.

Although I agree Fury perhaps received too much respect by some for the beating of an underwhelming Klitschko, the degree of which you pour scorn on to Fury every 5-6 posts is borderline trolling.

making a 60-fight, 20-defence champion look like a relative novice commands a certain kudos

I will continue to deride him. If you notice, I do not belittle his performance v Wlad. However, he is the worst champion of any sort in boxing. He is a joke, and I will repeat it until he finally decides to become other than a mockery of himself and the lineal world championship itself. There are no excuses for his behavior. There are only bad reasons. People making excuses for him and worshipping his existence as if he is the most accomplished heavyweight on the planet are deluded on the Trumplican level.

I gave the coke troll his due for the Wlad fight, stating just as repeatedly as my recent criticism that he was the king of the hill and all roads to heavyweight supremacy had to go through him. Then he shat himself like a six month old baby; repeatedly and putridly.

Tyson Fury is a boxing joke who is a threat to no one but himself.

[Rob3_142]

Tyson Fury is a poor joke. He is far more dangerous to himself than he is to other boxers. He does not rate being considered a boxer at this point.

Fury is the worst champion of any flavor related to boxing. Utterly pathetic.

Although I agree Fury perhaps received too much respect by some for the beating of an underwhelming Klitschko, the degree of which you pour scorn on to Fury every 5-6 posts is borderline trolling.

making a 60-fight, 20-defence champion look like a relative novice commands a certain kudos

Well to be fair, Klitschko could have made himself look like a novice. That being said, I still do commend Fury for his win, but do not believe it is enough evidence to propel Fury to the top of the sport without question.

[Counter-puncher]

Well to be fair, Klitschko could have made himself look like a novice. .

what?

if he was shadowboxing would he look like a novice?

no.

so, what other element in this fight between two men might have led one of them, who across nearly two dozen world championship fights had never looked like this, to look comparatively clueless?

[Counter-puncher]

Although I agree Fury perhaps received too much respect by some for the beating of an underwhelming Klitschko, the degree of which you pour scorn on to Fury every 5-6 posts is borderline trolling.

making a 60-fight, 20-defence champion look like a relative novice commands a certain kudos

I will continue to deride him. If you notice, I do not belittle his performance v Wlad..

well, thats just fine and dandy considering that's my only point

as for the rest of the long repetitive paragraph, regurgitated for maybe the 18th time by you on this forum, yeah, we get it, joke champion cokehead blah blah blah, change the fucken record bruh you're like kalan on one of his more Parkinsonian days.

[Rob3_142]

Well to be fair, Klitschko could have made himself look like a novice. .

what?

if he was shadowboxing would he look like a novice?

no.

so, what other element in this fight between two men might have led one of them, who across nearly two dozen world championship fights had never looked like this, to look comparatively clueless?

So that's it? The only possible explanation is that Fury was so good, the terrible performance had nothing to do with Klitschko and his inability to throw any aggressive punches in 11 rounds?

[Counter-puncher]

Well to be fair, Klitschko could have made himself look like a novice. .

what?

if he was shadowboxing would he look like a novice?

no.

so, what other element in this fight between two men might have led one of them, who across nearly two dozen world championship fights had never looked like this, to look comparatively clueless?

So that's it? The only possible explanation is that Fury was so good, the terrible performance had nothing to do with Klitschko and his inability to throw any aggressive punches in 11 rounds?

perhaps not the only possible explanation, rather the most likely in my opinion.

to offer an alternative you'd have to get into explaining why Wlad showed an 'inability' to throw any punches, and if you don't understand the effect that feints can have on your punch output, if you're a rather robotic fighter as Wlad can be, then you're unlikely to understand the correlation between the way Fury approached the fight and Wlad's 'inability' to throw pnches. I wonder if that kind of thinking is a little too non-linear for you.

[walshb]

Both Fury and Wlad performed abysmally in their fight...

[Tanzio]

making a 60-fight, 20-defence champion look like a relative novice commands a certain kudos

I will continue to deride him. If you notice, I do not belittle his performance v Wlad..

well, thats just fine and dandy considering that's my only point

as for the rest of the long repetitive paragraph, regurgitated for maybe the 18th time by you on this forum, yeah, we get it, joke champion cokehead blah blah blah, change the fucken record bruh you're like kalan on one of his more Parkinsonian days.

Ignore it, or go fvck yourself, or both.

[gilgamesh]

perhaps not the only possible explanation, rather the most likely in my opinion.

to offer an alternative you'd have to get into explaining why Wlad showed an 'inability' to throw any punches, and if you don't understand the effect that feints can have on your punch output, if you're a rather robotic fighter as Wlad can be, then you're unlikely to understand the correlation between the way Fury approached the fight and Wlad's 'inability' to throw pnches. I wonder if that kind of thinking is a little too non-linear for you.

I'll never get this BS of acting as if Fury did something impressive that night. He was in the ring the night the Champ decided he wanted a night off and didn't fight. That's ALL that happened.

All this sh*t acting like Fury is some defensive genius sickens me. F*cking guy couldn't even get out of the way of his own fist once.

Fury knew he couldn't repeat the feat and he was the luckiest son of a bitch in the world to have gotten a Wlad in the ring with him that for whatever reason wasn't mentally prepared to fight. That's why he avoided the rematch like his life depended on it.

As far as Lineal Heavyweight Champions go. He's near the bottom of the barrel.

[Counter-puncher]

perhaps not the only possible explanation, rather the most likely in my opinion.

to offer an alternative you'd have to get into explaining why Wlad showed an 'inability' to throw any punches, and if you don't understand the effect that feints can have on your punch output, if you're a rather robotic fighter as Wlad can be, then you're unlikely to understand the correlation between the way Fury approached the fight and Wlad's 'inability' to throw pnches. I wonder if that kind of thinking is a little too non-linear for you.

I'll never get this BS of acting as if Fury did something impressive that night. He was in the ring the night the Champ decided he wanted a night off and didn't fight. That's ALL that happened.

.

oh, okay, so Wlad went out there and decided he didn't want to fight, winning fights having simply become too boring for him at that stage in his long and succesful career, 'you know what fvck winning, I want to taste the feeling of losing again'

[Counter-puncher]

I will continue to deride him. If you notice, I do not belittle his performance v Wlad..

well, thats just fine and dandy considering that's my only point

as for the rest of the long repetitive paragraph, regurgitated for maybe the 18th time by you on this forum, yeah, we get it, joke champion cokehead blah blah blah, change the fucken record bruh you're like kalan on one of his more Parkinsonian days.

Ignore it, or go fvck yourself, or both.

bruh you're too old to be menstruating, surely? a hysterectonomy can work wonders for a lady of your advancing years, Tanz

(thought it may not help with the Parkinsonian tendency toawards repeating yourself ad nauseum, thats just getting old for you

[candyslim]

AJ will cut the ring off

Why do you think he'll do that? Wlad showed his footwork was way better than Joshua's, and Fury showed his footwork is much better still than Wlad.

He'll do it because he'll need to do it. Fury's footwork is superior but it takes a lot more energy and ability to circle away from your opponent than it does to occupy the centre of the ring, follow the direction of your quarry, or better yet, anticipate his movements, and take a stride or two to drive him toward a corner or force him to expend more energy to evade once again. If you understand the principles of cutting off the ring, and it's a simple enough skill to master, then the hunter's movements are much more energy efficient than those of his quarry, because by occupying the centre he has the ultimate inside track. It's a principle that applies in chess too - occupy the centre, deny your opponent space, make him work hard to manoeuvre. AJ doesn't have Ali-like footwork but he doesn't need to have in the same way Joe Louis was pretty effective despite being no ballerina.

AJ is learning and improving each time out. So far he has found the way to win and I think he will continue to do so. That's why I said at the start of this post ... he'll do it because he'll need to do it.

[gilgamesh]

perhaps not the only possible explanation, rather the most likely in my opinion.

to offer an alternative you'd have to get into explaining why Wlad showed an 'inability' to throw any punches, and if you don't understand the effect that feints can have on your punch output, if you're a rather robotic fighter as Wlad can be, then you're unlikely to understand the correlation between the way Fury approached the fight and Wlad's 'inability' to throw pnches. I wonder if that kind of thinking is a little too non-linear for you.

I'll never get this BS of acting as if Fury did something impressive that night. He was in the ring the night the Champ decided he wanted a night off and didn't fight. That's ALL that happened.

.

oh, okay, so Wlad went out there and decided he didn't want to fight, winning fights having simply become too boring for him at that stage in his long and succesful career, 'you know what fvck winning, I want to taste the feeling of losing again'

I don't know why he didn't fight. Maybe he was off mentally because of his wife's depression following the birth of their child or something, but he didn't fight, and Fury's performance wasn't impressive at all.

If Fury was a Champion and it wasn't a fluke he could've showed it by winning a rematch with Wlad. He never did.

He'll never win another major fight again.

[lillywhite14]

A fit and prime Fury on his best night should be very dangerous for Joshua, in terms of handing him a loss.

I just think if and when it happens, it won't be that version of Fury that we see and Joshua beats him up, tarnishing Fury's record and enhancing Joshua's.

[Rob3_142]

what?

if he was shadowboxing would he look like a novice?

no.

so, what other element in this fight between two men might have led one of them, who across nearly two dozen world championship fights had never looked like this, to look comparatively clueless?

So that's it? The only possible explanation is that Fury was so good, the terrible performance had nothing to do with Klitschko and his inability to throw any aggressive punches in 11 rounds?

perhaps not the only possible explanation, rather the most likely in my opinion.

to offer an alternative you'd have to get into explaining why Wlad showed an 'inability' to throw any punches, and if you don't understand the effect that feints can have on your punch output, if you're a rather robotic fighter as Wlad can be, then you're unlikely to understand the correlation between the way Fury approached the fight and Wlad's 'inability' to throw pnches. I wonder if that kind of thinking is a little too non-linear for you.

Let's not resort to mud slinging, I'm sure we can continue this discussion like adults.

I don't want to be too fundamental here. I don't think Fury won the fight because Klitschko was awful, and I don't think it was down to Fury being amazing. It was purely a combination of both. Fury is no doubt a top heavyweight, and his record leading up to the Klitschko fight probably warranted a world title shot. He has attributes to his game which are not normally with someone of his size. He did make life complicated for Klitschko, and probably delivered one of the best performances of his career.

On the other side of the coin, Wlad was 11 years unbeaten, and it's not unheard of that someone on such a run takes his eyes off the prize. He clearly underestimated Fury as a serious boxer, and was perhaps a little distracted by his bizarre antics. I don't expect that Klitschko considered Fury as much of a threat, and for that reason maybe his training camp was lacking a little bit of intensity. Throw into the mix the reported problems his partner was having outside the ring, and the injury which forced the original date to be postponed, I don't think it is any surprise that we wouldn't see the best Klitschko in there.

None, some or all of those factors could well have determined the outcome of that fight. Frankly, a rematch or another fight against a top heavyweight would tell us a lot more, but we haven't had that. So as far as I am concerned, the jury is still well and truly out about whether Fury is the real deal.

[Counter-puncher]

A fit and prime Fury on his best night should be very dangerous for Joshua, in terms of handing him a loss.

I just think if and when it happens, it won't be that version of Fury that we see and Joshua beats him up, tarnishing Fury's record and enhancing Joshua's.

IMO his time to get Joshua has already passed. by the time they ever get in the ring i would heavily favour Joshua. had he fought him directly after the Martin fight, maybe a different matter, but as one of his 'fanboys' on here i would worry for Tyson in that matchup now

[Counter-puncher]

So that's it? The only possible explanation is that Fury was so good, the terrible performance had nothing to do with Klitschko and his inability to throw any aggressive punches in 11 rounds?

perhaps not the only possible explanation, rather the most likely in my opinion.

to offer an alternative you'd have to get into explaining why Wlad showed an 'inability' to throw any punches, and if you don't understand the effect that feints can have on your punch output, if you're a rather robotic fighter as Wlad can be, then you're unlikely to understand the correlation between the way Fury approached the fight and Wlad's 'inability' to throw pnches. I wonder if that kind of thinking is a little too non-linear for you.

Let's not resort to mud slinging, I'm sure we can continue this discussion like adults.

I don't want to be too fundamental here. I don't think Fury won the fight because Klitschko was awful, and I don't think it was down to Fury being amazing. It was purely a combination of both. Fury is no doubt a top heavyweight, and his record leading up to the Klitschko fight probably warranted a world title shot. He has attributes to his game which are not normally with someone of his size. He did make life complicated for Klitschko, and probably delivered one of the best performances of his career.

On the other side of the coin, Wlad was 11 years unbeaten, and it's not unheard of that someone on such a run takes his eyes off the prize. He clearly underestimated Fury as a serious boxer, and was perhaps a little distracted by his bizarre antics. I don't expect that Klitschko considered Fury as much of a threat, and for that reason maybe his training camp was lacking a little bit of intensity. Throw into the mix the reported problems his partner was having outside the ring, and the injury which forced the original date to be postponed, I don't think it is any surprise that we wouldn't see the best Klitschko in there.

None, some or all of those factors could well have determined the outcome of that fight. Frankly, a rematch or another fight against a top heavyweight would tell us a lot more, but we haven't had that. So as far as I am concerned, the jury is still well and truly out about whether Fury is the real deal.

ok fine, so a balanced view I can agree with, one which assumes Wlad 'made himself look clueless' as though he's the only element in the equation, I can not.

[gilgamesh]

He wouldn't have beaten Joshua then either. Joshua has this thing where he actually fights and throws punches. He wouldn't just come in the ring and stare at Fury for 12 rounds.

[Counter-puncher]

He wouldn't have beaten Joshua then either. Joshua has this thing where he actually fights and throws punches. He wouldn't just come in the ring and stare at Fury for 12 rounds.

Joshua has this thing where he actually fights and throws punches and looks stiff (albeit increasingly less so), and gasses having flurried, and reacts to feints, and wastes energy due to being tense and somewhat stiff, and this 'thing' he does throwing punches has been against fighters with very different skillsets to Fury and might just have been rather more difficult against someone with Fury's attributes, etc.

[gilgamesh]

He wouldn't have beaten Joshua then either. Joshua has this thing where he actually fights and throws punches. He wouldn't just come in the ring and stare at Fury for 12 rounds.

Joshua has this thing where he actually fights and throws punches and looks stiff (albeit increasingly less so), and gasses having flurried, and reacts to feints, and wastes energy due to being tense and somewhat stiff, and this 'thing' he does throwing punches has been against fighters with very different skillsets to Fury and might just have been rather more difficult against someone with Fury's attributes, etc.

If Fury vs AJ ever goes down, AJ wins by KO in a one sided fight.

[Tanzio]

well, thats just fine and dandy considering that's my only point

as for the rest of the long repetitive paragraph, regurgitated for maybe the 18th time by you on this forum, yeah, we get it, joke champion cokehead blah blah blah, change the fucken record bruh you're like kalan on one of his more Parkinsonian days.

Ignore it, or go fvck yourself, or both.

bruh you're too old to be menstruating, surely? a hysterectonomy can work wonders for a lady of your advancing years, Tanz

(thought it may not help with the Parkinsonian tendency toawards repeating yourself ad nauseum, thats just getting old for you

Your description is far more apt for the Coke troll you still worship for one decent night in the ring.

I will spare you tonight, Counter-Slusher. Anyone who is so inebriated that he mispells a significant percentage of his weak attempt at an insulting post just needs to sleep it off.

[Rob3_142]

ok fine, so a balanced view I can agree with, one which assumes Wlad 'made himself look clueless' as though he's the only element in the equation, I can not.

Well I wouldn'y agree with that view either, but considering that was not my original position...

I said:

Well to be fair, Klitschko could have made himself look like a novice. That being said, I still do commend Fury for his win, but do not believe it is enough evidence to propel Fury to the top of the sport without question.

You can make yourself look like a novice, by performing poorly. I'm pretty certain he did not intend to do so.

[Counter-puncher]

Ignore it, or go fvck yourself, or both.

bruh you're too old to be menstruating, surely? a hysterectonomy can work wonders for a lady of your advancing years, Tanz

(thought it may not help with the Parkinsonian tendency toawards repeating yourself ad nauseum, thats just getting old for you

Your description is far more apt for the Coke troll you still worship for one decent night in the ring.

I will spare you tonight, Counter-Slusher. Anyone who is so inebriated that he mispells a significant percentage of his weak attempt at an insulting post just needs to sleep it off.

My description, of what, of you as Parkinsonian applies to Fury?

As for mis-spelling, jeez bruh that's weak anyway but I think I see hysterectomy misspelled. And, uh, what else again, my memory isn't what it used to be, all that worship of Tyson Fury must be prematurely ageing my poor brain matter.

Seriously though, now, the coke troll gags, we know, tanzio, we know. There are Amazonian Indians two thousand miles from civilisation who have had enough of that gag now, so come on, the comparison to Kaplan was made in sadness as well as in jest, you're better than that bruh to be repeating yourself so tiresomely.