Nightmare Roy wrote:A guy in better shape in his late 40's than he was when he was 25, who walks around shouting crazy sh1t at everyone has tested positive for steroids? Surly not, it must be a mistake.
Nightmare Roy wrote:A guy in better shape in his late 40's than he was when he was 25, who walks around shouting crazy sh1t at everyone has tested positive for steroids? Surly not, it must be a mistake.
ironyIKSRTFO wrote:Nightmare Roy wrote:A guy in better shape in his late 40's than he was when he was 25, who walks around shouting crazy sh1t at everyone has tested positive for steroids? Surly not, it must be a mistake.
He actually isn't in better shape. He just looks more muscular and bigger at 270lbs. He was MORE fit at 25 and 225lbs when he fought Lewis.
Tony1244 wrote:I have a confession to make.
The confession is really dark.
I was looking forward to Briggs-Oquendo.
I'll admit it also....so was I.Tony1244 wrote:I have a confession to make.
The confession is really dark.
I was looking forward to Briggs-Oquendo.
Same.. Was looking forward to it.SteveO wrote:I'll admit it also....so was I.Tony1244 wrote:I have a confession to make.
The confession is really dark.
I was looking forward to Briggs-Oquendo.
I guess Shannon will never get the big final payday that he was hoping for.
Strange that there is no word from him yet regarding the testosterone thing.
You're not sure about VADA? You can be 100% sure that no one pays for VADA testing when they're fighting bums like Cory Phelps and Richard Carmack. Briggs has never previously been tested by a VADA / WADA program.asdfjkl wrote:He has been tested very often and frequently, not sure about Vada, but he has been tested more often.Lackeos wrote:Here's what's logical about this situation...asdfjkl wrote: What a retarded question. Are you an American?
It's obvious that unlogic things are going on.
Briggs has always been on steroids. This is like the first fight he's been VADA tested for. It's that simple.
But what if they want to match-up Oquendo with a fighter who can pass a drug test?BIGDOUG58 wrote:Lucas Browne has a fight early July then match him with Oquendo. Winner fights Ortiz.
I thought that VADA doesn’t impose punishments on those that have technically “failed” one of their drug tests, as this is up to the organisations that employ them.asdfjkl wrote:I've been looking into it a but further and I found a number of a ratio according to Dan Rafael, the same guy who also knew first of everyone that Povetkin had some kind of illegal American substance in his sample, appearantly Dan Rafael got good connections with Wada/Vada, it's not surprising that Wilder has never been cought and neither has Stiverne, except for live in the act of using illegal substances.
Dan Rafael wrote in his article "his testosterone to epitestosterone ratio was 7.89 to 1.", now I know that Floyd Landis had a ratio of 11 to 1, and I have to be honest, I do think Floyd Landis is a drugcheat, like many American sporters, especially the ones driving in the Tour de France.
Either way, wada/vada has a 4:1 imposed limit (recently lowered from prior limits of 8:1 and 6:1) and according to Dan Rafael his text Briggs had a level of 7.89 to 1, which is higher as 4:1.
"According to WADA if the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone is greater than 4:1 it's considered evidence of possible doping and leads to further tests ... the key word is "further testing" This means it's not finalized. . . a Carbon-Isotope Ratio test or CIR test is usually performed at this point. This is how Tour de France Champion Floyd Landis was caught.
WADA's Code advices two different practices to determine if the increased T:E ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition or to administration of exogenous hormones ... However, there are documented cases of non-doping athletes with T:E ratios greater than 6:1 ... In that case additional testing is required to determine the etiology of the elevated ratio"
"if an athlete's urine test produces a ratio that is above 4:1 ... at least three additional samples must be tested ... These may be samples that were previously collected and analyzed or unannounced future tests ... If the results are less than 30 percent for males and less than 60 percent for females ... then it's likely that the T:E ratio is naturally increased ... thus declaring the athlete's test as "Negative".
WADA doesn't consider genetic factors ... However, in several cases natural testosterone is high (greater than 4:1 ratio)... as documented and recorded in the following races:
Hispanics 5.8:1
Caucasian 5.7:1
Africans 5.6:1"
Briggs hasn't had further tests yet, so I guess that's probably why he's patiently waiting for those results.
Still, if he knew he was 100% innocent (and he is supposed to know that), he would probably have been screaming all over the place that he was innocent, but he doesn't, he patiently waits for the final results. In other words, he acts like he's not sure if he's 100% innocent.
Earlier I thought he was innocent indeed, but right now I doubt about that, he doesn't act like a tipical innocent person in my opinion. He's just seems to be patiently waiting if they got enought evidence against him or not.
Oké, then I hope I was wrong indeed, I didn't think about it that way, I remember Povetkin and his promotor immedietly saying they were innocent and will prove this. In the end they were right, but they would never have said that if they didn't know it for 100% sure beforehand. Povetkin and his promotor never lie.Enlightened-One wrote:I thought that VADA doesn’t impose punishments on those that have technically “failed” one of their drug tests, as this is up to the organisations that employ them.asdfjkl wrote:I've been looking into it a but further and I found a number of a ratio according to Dan Rafael, the same guy who also knew first of everyone that Povetkin had some kind of illegal American substance in his sample, appearantly Dan Rafael got good connections with Wada/Vada, it's not surprising that Wilder has never been cought and neither has Stiverne, except for live in the act of using illegal substances.
Dan Rafael wrote in his article "his testosterone to epitestosterone ratio was 7.89 to 1.", now I know that Floyd Landis had a ratio of 11 to 1, and I have to be honest, I do think Floyd Landis is a drugcheat, like many American sporters, especially the ones driving in the Tour de France.
Either way, wada/vada has a 4:1 imposed limit (recently lowered from prior limits of 8:1 and 6:1) and according to Dan Rafael his text Briggs had a level of 7.89 to 1, which is higher as 4:1.
"According to WADA if the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone is greater than 4:1 it's considered evidence of possible doping and leads to further tests ... the key word is "further testing" This means it's not finalized. . . a Carbon-Isotope Ratio test or CIR test is usually performed at this point. This is how Tour de France Champion Floyd Landis was caught.
WADA's Code advices two different practices to determine if the increased T:E ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition or to administration of exogenous hormones ... However, there are documented cases of non-doping athletes with T:E ratios greater than 6:1 ... In that case additional testing is required to determine the etiology of the elevated ratio"
"if an athlete's urine test produces a ratio that is above 4:1 ... at least three additional samples must be tested ... These may be samples that were previously collected and analyzed or unannounced future tests ... If the results are less than 30 percent for males and less than 60 percent for females ... then it's likely that the T:E ratio is naturally increased ... thus declaring the athlete's test as "Negative".
WADA doesn't consider genetic factors ... However, in several cases natural testosterone is high (greater than 4:1 ratio)... as documented and recorded in the following races:
Hispanics 5.8:1
Caucasian 5.7:1
Africans 5.6:1"
Briggs hasn't had further tests yet, so I guess that's probably why he's patiently waiting for those results.
Still, if he knew he was 100% innocent (and he is supposed to know that), he would probably have been screaming all over the place that he was innocent, but he doesn't, he patiently waits for the final results. In other words, he acts like he's not sure if he's 100% innocent.
Earlier I thought he was innocent indeed, but right now I doubt about that, he doesn't act like a tipical innocent person in my opinion. He's just seems to be patiently waiting if they got enought evidence against him or not.
As far as I know, the WBA claimed that they will comply with due process and respect Briggs’ right to defend himself before ruling on this matter.
Shannon did comment on the matter, kind of, via his Twitter account by telling his fans to be patient, because he’s not allow to discuss the issue yet, which means he may simply be following the advice of his legal representatives.
Simply put: I wouldn’t assume that Shannon Briggs’ silence is an admission of guilt, because there is due process to follow.
I don’t think it’s wise for anyone to assume Shannon’s mind-set when there’s a complete absence of information.
Can you provide proof of your claim please.asdfjkl wrote:I just heard Mayweather once had a ratio of 0.69, which is a clear sign of doping, but the Americans simply refused to continue testing him.
Mayweather was always full of masking substances and he clearly took to much of his masking stuff that time.
http://behindthegloves.com/thomas-hause ... ayweather/tiny_acres wrote:Can you provide proof of your claim please.asdfjkl wrote:I just heard Mayweather once had a ratio of 0.69, which is a clear sign of doping, but the Americans simply refused to continue testing him.
Mayweather was always full of masking substances and he clearly took to much of his masking stuff that time.
Or is this just another Povetkins tram said so bullcrap post?
Enlightened-One wrote:http://behindthegloves.com/thomas-hause ... ayweather/tiny_acres wrote:Can you provide proof of your claim please.asdfjkl wrote:I just heard Mayweather once had a ratio of 0.69, which is a clear sign of doping, but the Americans simply refused to continue testing him.
Mayweather was always full of masking substances and he clearly took to much of his masking stuff that time.
Or is this just another Povetkins tram said so bullcrap post?
That's the reason why I supplied it. I'm on your side in regards to this particular matter.tiny_acres wrote:Enlightened-One wrote:http://behindthegloves.com/thomas-hause ... ayweather/tiny_acres wrote:
Can you provide proof of your claim please.
Or is this just another Povetkins tram said so bullcrap post?
Yet on the article every allegation is refuted.
Ok
Oh I knew you were by posting the rebuttal to the allegations.Enlightened-One wrote:That's the reason why I supplied it. I'm on your side in regards to this particular matter.tiny_acres wrote:Enlightened-One wrote: http://behindthegloves.com/thomas-hause ... ayweather/
Yet on the article every allegation is refuted.
Ok
Over reaction?tiny_acres wrote:Oh I knew you were by posting the rebuttal to the allegations.Enlightened-One wrote:That's the reason why I supplied it. I'm on your side in regards to this particular matter.tiny_acres wrote:
Yet on the article every allegation is refuted.
Ok
tiny_acres wrote:Can you provide proof of your claim please.asdfjkl wrote:I just heard Mayweather once had a ratio of 0.69, which is a clear sign of doping, but the Americans simply refused to continue testing him.
Mayweather was always full of masking substances and he clearly took to much of his masking stuff that time.
Or is this just another Povetkins tram said so bullcrap post?
The WhiteBuffalo is back!RandomUsername wrote:Shannon used the juice to avoid fighting Fres Oquendo. Shannon saw what Fres did to Clifford Etienne so he used this method to duck Fres instead of admitting the truth like a man or taking his beating.
Just when you think you're getting too cynical about the boxing industry...you realise you can't.asdfjkl wrote:tiny_acres wrote:Can you provide proof of your claim please.asdfjkl wrote:I just heard Mayweather once had a ratio of 0.69, which is a clear sign of doping, but the Americans simply refused to continue testing him.
Mayweather was always full of masking substances and he clearly took to much of his masking stuff that time.
Or is this just another Povetkins tram said so bullcrap post?
"“That’s a warning flag,” says Don Catlin. “If you’re serious about the testing, it tells you to do the CIR test.”
The Nevada State Athletic Commission wasn’t as knowledgeable with regard to PED testing several years ago as it is now. Commission personnel might not have understood the possible implications of the 0.69 and 0.80 numbers. But USADA officials were knowledgeable.
Did USADA perform CIR testing on Mayweather’s urine samples during that time period? What were the results? And if there was no CIR testing, what testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio did USADA’s tests show? At present, the answers to these questions are not publicly known.
Note to investigators: CIR tests can be performed retroactively on frozen samples.
All of this leads to another issue. As noted by NSAC executive director Bob Bennett, “As of now, USADA does not give us the full test results. They give us the contracts for drug testing and summaries that tell us whether a fighter has tested positive or negative. It is incumbent on them to notify us if a fighter tests positive. But no, they don’t give us the full test results.”
Laz Benitez reports a similar lack of transparency in New York. On Aug. 10, Benitez advised this writer that the New York State Athletic Commission had received information from USADA regarding test results for four fights where the drug testing was conducted by USADA. But Benitez added, “The results received were summaries.”
Why is that significant? Because full test results can raise a red flag that’s not apparent on the face of a summary. Once again, a look at the relationship between USADA and Floyd Mayweather is instructive
On Dec. 30, 2009, Manny Pacquiao sued Mayweather for defamation. Pacquiao’s complaint, filed in the United States District Court for Nevada, alleged that Mayweather and several other defendants had falsely accused him of using, and continuing to use, illegal performance enhancing drugs. The court case moved slowly, as litigation often does. Then things changed dramatically.
As reported by this writer on MaxBoxing in Dec. 2012, information filtered through the drug-testing community on May 20, 2012 to the effect that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug. More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive three times and, after each positive test, USADA had given Floyd an inadvertent use waiver. These waivers, if they were in fact given, would have negated the need to test Floyd’s “B” samples. And because the “B” samples were never tested, a loophole in Mayweather’s USADA contract would have allowed testing to continue without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission."
Anyway, as we all know for ages, Mayweather is juiced as crazy time over time again and again, somehow he generates money, and hyped by the media, so they let him go, just like Wilder, I still haven't ever found any serious dopingtest around Wilder, has any of you?
For Briggs, things are different, he's a serious threat for a hypejob called Wilder, who's storys become more and more bullshit as long as his hypejob bullshit continues, so he must receive a way to avoid the fight, or cash out as fast as possible and that's probably why they want Briggs to be worked out of the way like this.
Then Wilder only needs to fight Oquendo and he can probably handle Oquendo by now, despite Oquendo once had a higher rating as any of Wilder his opponents from the US have ever achieved.
Anyway, Briggs is possibly innocent, I'm not a 100% sure he is, but he hasn't been proven guilty by this test. Just like Povetkin, they managed to get a false positive, but Povetkin is most likely innocent as well. On top of that, all his answers are accurate, unlike those of Wilder for example.
Povetkin predicted a long time beforehand what he did and what the most logic results would be and he was right.
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