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TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Best Coast wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:
I hope they buy the PPV, they'll make millions!

I was in Atlanta for the Olympics in 1996 when the terrorist bomb went off. After the initial shock wore off it actually boosted attendance at Centennial Park, where the actual explosion took place. The security check slowed entrance lines to a crawl but there was a sense of defiance among the fans who flocked to the Park from the day after until the Games ended several weeks later.

Hopefully the same sense of defiance will be evident among folks there whose lives would be affected by the Manchester bombing, whether that be for attending local soccer matches or just whatever people would do to continue to lead their lives as normally as possible. No sense in handing the terrorists a 2nd victory by allowing their cowardly attack to disrupt our lives any more than absolutely necessary.

I'm going to a show in Manchester tonight (Wednesday night) myself.

IT wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

IT wrote: To be fair, in what way is he particularly wrong about that?

Depends on how you define the subjective term "credible." If we're talking about fighters with a 100+ rating on boxrec, Brook has 11 wins of that caliber, whereas Spence has only 3. If we're talking about fighters with a 400+ rating on boxrec, Brook has 1 win of that caliber, whereas Spence has only 0. Also, while Brook has just one scalp of Porter's caliber, that win wasn't 13 years ago, it was 3 years ago. Going back to 2004 is just misleading. It's like... Wilder has only beaten 1 opponent of borderline top 10 caliber in the past 7,000 years. Well okay, but the fight wasn't 7,000 years ago either.

I think it's fair to say that if Brook has only 1 "credible" win, then Spence most certainly has 0.

Who was Brook fighting in his 22 pro fight?

IT wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

IT wrote: To be fair, in what way is he particularly wrong about that?

Depends on how you define the subjective term "credible." If we're talking about fighters with a 100+ rating on boxrec, Brook has 11 wins of that caliber, whereas Spence has only 3. If we're talking about fighters with a 400+ rating on boxrec, Brook has 1 win of that caliber, whereas Spence has only 0. Also, while Brook has just one scalp of Porter's caliber, that win wasn't 13 years ago, it was 3 years ago. Going back to 2004 is just misleading. It's like... Wilder has only beaten 1 opponent of borderline top 10 caliber in the past 7,000 years. Well okay, but the fight wasn't 7,000 years ago either.

I think it's fair to say that if Brook has only 1 "credible" win, then Spence most certainly has 0.

Who was Brook fighting in his 22 pro fight?

Lackeos wrote:

IT wrote:

Lackeos wrote: Depends on how you define the subjective term "credible." If we're talking about fighters with a 100+ rating on boxrec, Brook has 11 wins of that caliber, whereas Spence has only 3. If we're talking about fighters with a 400+ rating on boxrec, Brook has 1 win of that caliber, whereas Spence has only 0. Also, while Brook has just one scalp of Porter's caliber, that win wasn't 13 years ago, it was 3 years ago. Going back to 2004 is just misleading. It's like... Wilder has only beaten 1 opponent of borderline top 10 caliber in the past 7,000 years. Well okay, but the fight wasn't 7,000 years ago either.

I think it's fair to say that if Brook has only 1 "credible" win, then Spence most certainly has 0.

Who was Brook fighting in his 22 pro fight?

When Brook was Spence's age, he had been fighting guys like Vyacheslav Senchenko, Carson Jones x2, Hector Saldivia, and Matthew Hatton; which is roughly on-par with the opposition Spence has been fighting. When Brook was a year older than Spence is now, he didn't just fight Porter, he beat him. Spence may be matched against Brook, but he hasn't beaten him yet, or anybody else on Porter's level.

That reminds me of one more thing. If Porter is the only credible scalp on Brook's resume, then by age 27, Spence has neither fought nor beaten any credible opponents.

ValMar wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

IT wrote: Who was Brook fighting in his 22 pro fight?

When Brook was Spence's age, he had been fighting guys like Vyacheslav Senchenko, Carson Jones x2, Hector Saldivia, and Matthew Hatton; which is roughly on-par with the opposition Spence has been fighting. When Brook was a year older than Spence is now, he didn't just fight Porter, he beat him. Spence may be matched against Brook, but he hasn't beaten him yet, or anybody else on Porter's level.

That reminds me of one more thing. If Porter is the only credible scalp on Brook's resume, then by age 27, Spence has neither fought nor beaten any credible opponents.

Yes, Porter is the only Brook's "credible scalp". If he is capable to beat (without judges/ref's help) Spence, it will change my opinion, definitely.

Ossyrules wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Lackeos wrote: When Brook was Spence's age, he had been fighting guys like Vyacheslav Senchenko, Carson Jones x2, Hector Saldivia, and Matthew Hatton; which is roughly on-par with the opposition Spence has been fighting. When Brook was a year older than Spence is now, he didn't just fight Porter, he beat him. Spence may be matched against Brook, but he hasn't beaten him yet, or anybody else on Porter's level.

That reminds me of one more thing. If Porter is the only credible scalp on Brook's resume, then by age 27, Spence has neither fought nor beaten any credible opponents.

Yes, Porter is the only Brook's "credible scalp". If he is capable to beat (without judges/ref's help) Spence, it will change my opinion, definitely.

Have you rewatched brook vs Porter yet as you said you were going to?

If so you'll see that the win was without ref and judges help as that is bollocks.

The judges, scored it fairly, well 2 of them. Brook won a clear decision. Better than Thurman imo

The ref was fair. He split up clinches and Porter was so clumsy barrelling in and smothering any work of his own, he did himself no favours inside.

Brook won the fight.

And no " needed around the word credible for Porter. He's a top world level welter

ValMar wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

ValMar wrote: Yes, Porter is the only Brook's "credible scalp". If he is capable to beat (without judges/ref's help) Spence, it will change my opinion, definitely.

Have you rewatched brook vs Porter yet as you said you were going to?

If so you'll see that the win was without ref and judges help as that is bollocks.

The judges, scored it fairly, well 2 of them. Brook won a clear decision. Better than Thurman imo

The ref was fair. He split up clinches and Porter was so clumsy barrelling in and smothering any work of his own, he did himself no favours inside.

Brook won the fight.

And no " needed around the word credible for Porter. He's a top world level welter

Unfortunately, I was very busy, and I have not rewatched the match. Right now, I am too tired, but I want to rewatch before Saturday....I promise..

ValMar wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Have you rewatched brook vs Porter yet as you said you were going to?

If so you'll see that the win was without ref and judges help as that is bollocks.

The judges, scored it fairly, well 2 of them. Brook won a clear decision. Better than Thurman imo

The ref was fair. He split up clinches and Porter was so clumsy barrelling in and smothering any work of his own, he did himself no favours inside.

Brook won the fight.

And no " needed around the word credible for Porter. He's a top world level welter

Unfortunately, I was very busy, and I have not rewatched the match. Right now, I am too tired, but I want to rewatch before Saturday....I promise..

Fuc.ing you tube ! I can not find the match Brook-Porter............

Lackeos wrote:

ValMar wrote:

ValMar wrote: Unfortunately, I was very busy, and I have not rewatched the match. Right now, I am too tired, but I want to rewatch before Saturday....I promise..

Fuc.ing you tube ! I can not find the match Brook-Porter............

Really? I was just watching it a minute ago...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0px_s6l0TDs

Btw, pretty entertaining fight. It's really rough and frustrating, but these guys were moving at a lightning pace after they got past the feeling out period. They both have great speed and Brook especially has great reaction speed.

Impractical Poster wrote:I frequently read about fans not having a personal preference on a favorite during certain bouts. This is an impossible task for me. Even if I turn on a broadcast midfight and I know nothing of either fighter, I will end up rooting for one of them for one reason or another.

Just me?

Kalan wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I frequently read about fans not having a personal preference on a favorite during certain bouts. This is an impossible task for me. Even if I turn on a broadcast midfight and I know nothing of either fighter, I will end up rooting for one of them for one reason or another.

Just me?

You always pick out the guy whose style and skills you like best... If neither of them can fight I can't watch... If it's a mismatch, I don't want to watch.

But if it's a mismatch that was supposed to be a mismatch in the other direction – such as Tyson-Douglas, then it's intriguing to see a boxer confound popular and “expert” opinion, box the favorite’s ass off, and score a dramatic upset. Those are some of the most entertaining fights.

KiwiRider wrote:Sky Sport has decided to give us Kiwis the whole card live and free!!
Thank you Sky, I love and hate you in totally equal measures

Anyone else getting it free legally outside the UK?
Aussies?

Ossyrules wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:Sky Sport has decided to give us Kiwis the whole card live and free!!
Thank you Sky, I love and hate you in totally equal measures

Anyone else getting it free legally outside the UK?
Aussies?

Nice deal for you kiwis

KiwiRider wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:Sky Sport has decided to give us Kiwis the whole card live and free!!
Thank you Sky, I love and hate you in totally equal measures

Anyone else getting it free legally outside the UK?
Aussies?

Nice deal for you kiwis

So is it PPV in Oz?
It only came up on the Sky guide here yesterday, might pay to check

KiwiRider wrote:Ah.
Roger that.
If it makes you feel better we had to pay for every Parker fight, not that I did.

KiwiRider wrote:Sky Sport has decided to give us Kiwis the whole card live and free!!
Thank you Sky, I love and hate you in totally equal measures

Anyone else getting it free legally outside the UK?
Aussies?

ValMar wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:Sky Sport has decided to give us Kiwis the whole card live and free!!
Thank you Sky, I love and hate you in totally equal measures

Anyone else getting it free legally outside the UK?
Aussies?

It will be on RTL TV Hrvatska (Croatia).
I am not sure the main match only, or the whole card.