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Currently watching a Brook/Porter replay on Showtime. While watching I brought up some highlights of Spence to check some comparisons real time. Anyone else think Spence comes in too wide a bit too much? He should have the size and power advantage over Brook, but I think Brook is going be getting off first in most exchanges. I'm really having a hard time picking for this fight. Keep going back and forth. If Brook can stay focused and his conditioning is tip top, I think he will take this. However, if he starts slowing at all, Spence will take over. The key for Spence is early body work, IMO.

Can't wait for this one.

Brook punches straight which should bode well in the who gets of first regard. As long as he doesn't hesitate

Impractical Poster wrote:Currently watching a Brook/Porter replay on Showtime. While watching I brought up some highlights of Spence to check some comparisons real time. Anyone else think Spence comes in too wide a bit too much? He should have the size and power advantage over Brook, but I think Brook is going be getting off first in most exchanges. I'm really having a hard time picking for this fight. Keep going back and forth. If Brook can stay focused and his conditioning is tip top, I think he will take this. However, if he starts slowing at all, Spence will take over. The key for Spence is early body work, IMO.

Can't wait for this one.

Spence gets by on being a strong puncher and bigger than his oppoents but I don't see where he's that fast. Just watch videos Spence and Crawford together and you will see how overrated Spence's speed is.

Brook uses feet and speed.... punches around that high guard stops him around round 10

IKSRTFO wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Currently watching a Brook/Porter replay on Showtime. While watching I brought up some highlights of Spence to check some comparisons real time. Anyone else think Spence comes in too wide a bit too much? He should have the size and power advantage over Brook, but I think Brook is going be getting off first in most exchanges. I'm really having a hard time picking for this fight. Keep going back and forth. If Brook can stay focused and his conditioning is tip top, I think he will take this. However, if he starts slowing at all, Spence will take over. The key for Spence is early body work, IMO.

Can't wait for this one.

Spence gets by on being a strong puncher and bigger than his oppoents but I don't see where he's that fast. Just watch videos Spence and Crawford together and you will see how overrated Spence's speed is.

Ya, Spence's speed doesn't stand out to me.

Sometimes guys come along and show a lot of ability in certain areas, but then get blindly hyped as if they are great at everything.

Great fight this, can't wait.

Spence seems to be a smoother and accomplished fighter but i think Brook is bigger and grittier. Either man could hurt the other but if it goes 12 i'm thinking Spence outpoints him.

I'll stick my neck on the line though, Brook to outlast him, break him down and stop him in a classic British blood & guts performance.

A couple more factors to take into consideration:

- Spence has never gone to 12 rounds. People can talk about how hard he trains, his sparring, etc., but until you get to that depth, you just don't know.

- Carson Jones. Brook had a hell of a time with him and he is basically a Spence two to three levels down. Combine that with the 3G recovery question and the draining back to welter question, and I still am not quite ready to make a pick.

Spence wins by 11th round TKO

Spence by late tko. The same fighters that picked Liam Walsh will back Brook because home country fandom. I guess the question is will you rather use brain and be right or use you heart and take another L.

world ranked wrote:Spence by late tko. The same fighters that picked Liam Walsh will back Brook because home country fandom. I guess the question is will you rather use brain and be right or use you heart and take another L.

What a ridiculous post - I take this back I misread it as the people saying brook will win backed Walsh... who was clear big underdog vs Davis

Anyone know about Fedor Chudinov who is fighting George Groves who is the favourite (Groves)? He's a Russian, had a year off and had a "controversial" defeat to a 37 year old Felix Strum. I've seen half of his last fight with Strum and then decided to just go on boxrec for opinions, as its quicker thing way. He seems very capable. Decent boxing skills, decent power I believe and defence. Likes to come forward and chop you down. Groves doesnt like those kinds of opponents, doesnt like being made to work. Is Chudinov capable of pulling off a upset?

I don't know too much about him but have read he's schooled well in the basics and has good physical gifts as in strength and durability. Good engine to keep coming at you.

His ko record suggests his power is good. I don't think we're talking about elite level power like golovkin, wilder etc, as he could get rid of weight drained buglioni who was outclassed in that fight.

I back groves cos of his improvement last few fights under mcguigan, seems mentally in a better place. He's always had the skill set but hopefully his focus is good and his training has been good. Quality jab and right hand, good feet to keep himself away from the smaller guy

Ossyrules wrote:I don't know too much about him but have read he's schooled well in the basics and has good physical gifts as in strength and durability. Good engine to keep coming at you.

His ko record suggests his power is good. I don't think we're talking about elite level power like golovkin, wilder etc, as he could get rid of weight drained buglioni who was outclassed in that fight.

I back groves cos of his improvement last few fights under mcguigan, seems mentally in a better place. He's always had the skill set but hopefully his focus is good and his training has been good. Quality jab and right hand, good feet to keep himself away from the smaller guy

Yea groves has very good jab and straight.If he can stay on the outside, where he likes. But if this bloke has a good engine like you said and can slip some of those jabs. He mixed it up the body/head well in the first half of the fight I watched. I was very impressed with Groves vs Froch 1 and Jack but not so much against Murray which is the last time I saw him. If mcquigan has helped with his conditioning that's a very big plus.Anyway I guess its a wait and see thing. This could be a very good fight. Classy boxing.

lazboy wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:I don't know too much about him but have read he's schooled well in the basics and has good physical gifts as in strength and durability. Good engine to keep coming at you.

His ko record suggests his power is good. I don't think we're talking about elite level power like golovkin, wilder etc, as he could get rid of weight drained buglioni who was outclassed in that fight.

I back groves cos of his improvement last few fights under mcguigan, seems mentally in a better place. He's always had the skill set but hopefully his focus is good and his training has been good. Quality jab and right hand, good feet to keep himself away from the smaller guy

Yea groves has very good jab and straight.If he can stay on the outside, where he likes. But if this bloke has a good engine like you said and can slip some of those jabs. He mixed it up the body/head well in the first half of the fight I watched. I was very impressed with Groves vs Froch 1 and Jack but not so much against Murray which is the last time I saw him. If mcquigan has helped with his conditioning that's a very big plus.Anyway I guess its a wait and see thing. This could be a very good fight. Classy boxing.

I thought groves fought a good fight vs Murray. Murray may not be the most skilled fighter, but prior to groves he'd drawn with Sergio Martinez, lost to golovkin in 11, lost a disputed decision in Germany vs Arthur Abraham where he had Abraham hurt late on. He's no push over and hard as nails. Groves did a real job on him I though. Boxed him and hurt him at times.

Come forward tactic can work for and against you with groves. If you're not skilled enough doing it, he's a good counter puncher and can do that all night

Ossyrules wrote:

lazboy wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:I don't know too much about him but have read he's schooled well in the basics and has good physical gifts as in strength and durability. Good engine to keep coming at you.

His ko record suggests his power is good. I don't think we're talking about elite level power like golovkin, wilder etc, as he could get rid of weight drained buglioni who was outclassed in that fight.

I back groves cos of his improvement last few fights under mcguigan, seems mentally in a better place. He's always had the skill set but hopefully his focus is good and his training has been good. Quality jab and right hand, good feet to keep himself away from the smaller guy

Yea groves has very good jab and straight.If he can stay on the outside, where he likes. But if this bloke has a good engine like you said and can slip some of those jabs. He mixed it up the body/head well in the first half of the fight I watched. I was very impressed with Groves vs Froch 1 and Jack but not so much against Murray which is the last time I saw him. If mcquigan has helped with his conditioning that's a very big plus.Anyway I guess its a wait and see thing. This could be a very good fight. Classy boxing.

I thought groves fought a good fight vs Murray. Murray may not be the most skilled fighter, but prior to groves he'd drawn with Sergio Martinez, lost to golovkin in 11, lost a disputed decision in Germany vs Arthur Abraham where he had Abraham hurt late on. He's no push over and hard as nails. Groves did a real job on him I though. Boxed him and hurt him at times.

Come forward tactic can work for and against you with groves. If you're not skilled enough doing it, he's a good counter puncher and can do that all night

I'm going purely by memory.... I remember Groves winning the first half well, Murray was applying pressure but not throwing much. Then, almost like a prophecy, as Groves has been labeled by the media as being chinny and having a stamina issue, Groves did tire. As he tired Murray gained momentum in the second half landing the cleaner harder punches but they were few and far between, also I believed he hurt Groves at one stage. But Murray just didnt have enough in his tank himself to finish him off and just didnt have enough to throw the neccesssary punches. Yes I regard Murray as a good fighter but he didnt have the trigger that night, if he did I feel he could have taken Groves out and he's not known as a particularly hard puncher. Anyway just my opinion and one reliant on memory.

lazboy wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

lazboy wrote:
Yea groves has very good jab and straight.If he can stay on the outside, where he likes. But if this bloke has a good engine like you said and can slip some of those jabs. He mixed it up the body/head well in the first half of the fight I watched. I was very impressed with Groves vs Froch 1 and Jack but not so much against Murray which is the last time I saw him. If mcquigan has helped with his conditioning that's a very big plus.Anyway I guess its a wait and see thing. This could be a very good fight. Classy boxing.

I thought groves fought a good fight vs Murray. Murray may not be the most skilled fighter, but prior to groves he'd drawn with Sergio Martinez, lost to golovkin in 11, lost a disputed decision in Germany vs Arthur Abraham where he had Abraham hurt late on. He's no push over and hard as nails. Groves did a real job on him I though. Boxed him and hurt him at times.

Come forward tactic can work for and against you with groves. If you're not skilled enough doing it, he's a good counter puncher and can do that all night

I'm going purely by memory.... I remember Groves winning the first half well, Murray was applying pressure but not throwing much. Then, almost like a prophecy, as Groves has been labeled by the media as being chinny and having a stamina issue, Groves did tire. As he tired Murray gained momentum in the second half landing the cleaner harder punches but they were few and far between, also I believed he hurt Groves at one stage. But Murray just didnt have enough in his tank himself to finish him off and just didnt have enough to throw the neccesssary punches. Yes I regard Murray as a good fighter but he didnt have the trigger that night, if he did I feel he could have taken Groves out and he's not known as a particularly hard puncher. Anyway just my opinion and one reliant on memory.

I honestly don't remember it that way.

In short groves dictated early

Murray stepped up his work rate and started putting punches together in the middle. He had to as the fight was going away

Groves came back and took over hurting Murray in the process. Clearly causing him to back up and retreat into the ropes and cover up

I don't remember groves getting hurt

lazboy wrote:Anyone know about Fedor Chudinov who is fighting George Groves who is the favourite (Groves)? He's a Russian, had a year off and had a "controversial" defeat to a 37 year old Felix Strum. I've seen half of his last fight with Strum and then decided to just go on boxrec for opinions, as its quicker thing way. He seems very capable. Decent boxing skills, decent power I believe and defence. Likes to come forward and chop you down. Groves doesnt like those kinds of opponents, doesnt like being made to work. Is Chudinov capable of pulling off a upset?

Here is a competent comparison of Chudinov and Groves:

http://www.skysports.com/brook/news/34036/10888807/1

boxing_rocks wrote:

lazboy wrote:Anyone know about Fedor Chudinov who is fighting George Groves who is the favourite (Groves)? He's a Russian, had a year off and had a "controversial" defeat to a 37 year old Felix Strum. I've seen half of his last fight with Strum and then decided to just go on boxrec for opinions, as its quicker thing way. He seems very capable. Decent boxing skills, decent power I believe and defence. Likes to come forward and chop you down. Groves doesnt like those kinds of opponents, doesnt like being made to work. Is Chudinov capable of pulling off a upset?

Here is a competent comparison of Chudinov and Groves:

http://www.skysports.com/brook/news/34036/10888807/1

Thanks mate, good article. I think I'm going to have a small gamble, because the odds are good. Chudinov win...late stoppage, doubt he will get a decision in the UK.

This is going to be a crazy fight that's for sure to me, i expect a KO or stoppage by either guy in this one, there will definitly be more fireworks in this welterweight match-up than in the Thurman-Garcia match.

Errol has to be careful.. Brook is a strong welter himself, strong enough to bully Porter to the point where Porter was the one trying to circle around and outbox him.

i like this new version of Brook im seeing lately, he looks pissed off and eager to fight and defend whats his, and he seemd to make weight comfortably, thats great for us boxing fans cause we are in for a serious fight.

Brook by close but unanimous decision.
And half the forum will call it a robbery

lazboy wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

lazboy wrote:Anyone know about Fedor Chudinov who is fighting George Groves who is the favourite (Groves)? He's a Russian, had a year off and had a "controversial" defeat to a 37 year old Felix Strum. I've seen half of his last fight with Strum and then decided to just go on boxrec for opinions, as its quicker thing way. He seems very capable. Decent boxing skills, decent power I believe and defence. Likes to come forward and chop you down. Groves doesnt like those kinds of opponents, doesnt like being made to work. Is Chudinov capable of pulling off a upset?

Here is a competent comparison of Chudinov and Groves:

http://www.skysports.com/brook/news/34036/10888807/1

Thanks mate, good article. I think I'm going to have a small gamble, because the odds are good. Chudinov win...late stoppage, doubt he will get a decision in the UK.

One guy agrees with you:
https://twitter.com/steveucnlive/status ... 8123480064

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Spence wins by 11th round TKO

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Spence wins by 11th round TKO

Well done.

Tanzio wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Spence wins by 11th round TKO

Well done.

I'm filthy I didn't put money on it