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Kalan wrote:Buzz you take more threads off subject than anybody I've ever seen... Posters desert in droves... You wrecked another thread boy

Sounds like a Trump Tweet to me.

Take a deep breath....regain your composure, call upon your intermittent assessment skills....and simply do your best...

.the subject is Ibeabuchi vs Shavers.

We both suspect Ibeabuchi MIGHT have the inside track in this hypothetical.

Though I'm not quite as certain as you are. I think I'd refrain from betting....simply because all shavers needs is a home run.....and I don't really Think Ike's chin had ever REALLY been tested.

Autobarn wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Ibeabuchi gave a strong performance versus Byrd - a remarkable result - but he seemed to be about to lose his rag. Right at the time of the stoppage. If Byrd had been more durable or able to survive I wonder what would've happened.

Anyway great talent that didn't last long.

I love the revisionism... Ike wasn't about to lose a damned thing... He was in complete control of the fight at the finish and the referee saved Byrd's life.

Byrd WAS durable... He beat Tua and Holyfield and survived 19 rounds with Wladimir getting slaughtered all the way.. His chin in his prime was primo.

On the other hand Foreman flagged like crazy against little soft puncher Jimmy Young... He didn't have the balance, hand speed, finesse, or endurance Ike had.. With only 16 pro fights Ibeabuchi went a hard distance fight with David Tua... He threw a record number of punches ... and was never even winded.

Hi, I'm not revising anything. Ike did everything right, and showed how to beat a frustrating southpaw, in a truly world class showing of educated aggression. but I saw some kind of shortcoming, not in his quality as a fighter, but in his temperament as he was stopping Byrd. I'm talking about his demeanour, as I could see that this was a headcase. Whatever madness he has, he kept it under control enough to win this fight. But it stopped him having the career he should've.

"Losing his Rag" doesn't mean "losing the fight"

No... You're dreaming.. Ibeabuchi showed an excellent temperament in the Byrd fight.. Cool as a cucumber in the interview afterwards.. His only problem was the rotten American Criminal Justice System.. He sexually assaults a professional worker in the Sex Industry??? And they throw the key away??? They treated him worse than Alexander Povetkin whose only crime was being a Russian.. That's enough to target him.. Our legal system is rife with corruption.

That's about the worst take away I've ever seen regarding Ike's behavior.

Have you spent 30 minutes in Vegas? Doesn't sound like it by the way you are ranting that

perhaps Ike's paid escort should not be given the full protection of the law. And that maybe that sentence was "too severe".

Based on what? Her legal profession? You apparently have no idea what transpired.

Or if you do, your judgement is set on neanderthal....as it sometimes can be.

I'd call you a toad, but I don't want to go after you in a personal way. So I will refrain from any froggy comments.

BuzzBox FO... You're a tiresome toady who just makes things up.

It was Ibeabuchi's word against her's... And it wasn't sexual assault it was so-called "attempted" sexual assault. How do you "attempt" sexual assault if you're somebody as big and powerful as Ibeabuchi? And the woman wasn't an escort numbnuts, she was an erotic entertainer working outcall... You don't need to stick somebody in prison like it's a murder rap do give somebody protection, basically destroying their entire boxing career... Tyson got 3 years for rape... I don't think that was real either.. Deontay Wilder did much the same thing as Ibeabuchi, inflicting much more damage, and got rapped on the knuckles.

Compare that to Dan White... He takes a gun into a government building taking pains to bypass security... and then shoots to death the Mayor of San Francisco and a member of the Board of Supervisors -- and he got 5 years for that.

[quote="Kalan"] And the woman wasn't an escort numbnuts, she was an erotic entertainer working outcall... quote]

Kalan wrote:

Autobarn wrote:

Kalan wrote:
I love the revisionism... Ike wasn't about to lose a damned thing... He was in complete control of the fight at the finish and the referee saved Byrd's life.

Byrd WAS durable... He beat Tua and Holyfield and survived 19 rounds with Wladimir getting slaughtered all the way.. His chin in his prime was primo.

On the other hand Foreman flagged like crazy against little soft puncher Jimmy Young... He didn't have the balance, hand speed, finesse, or endurance Ike had.. With only 16 pro fights Ibeabuchi went a hard distance fight with David Tua... He threw a record number of punches ... and was never even winded.

Hi, I'm not revising anything. Ike did everything right, and showed how to beat a frustrating southpaw, in a truly world class showing of educated aggression. but I saw some kind of shortcoming, not in his quality as a fighter, but in his temperament as he was stopping Byrd. I'm talking about his demeanour, as I could see that this was a headcase. Whatever madness he has, he kept it under control enough to win this fight. But it stopped him having the career he should've.

"Losing his Rag" doesn't mean "losing the fight"

No... You're dreaming.. Ibeabuchi showed an excellent temperament in the Byrd fight.. Cool as a cucumber in the interview afterwards.. His only problem was the rotten American Criminal Justice System.. He sexually assaults a professional worker in the Sex Industry??? And they throw the key away??? They treated him worse than Alexander Povetkin whose only crime was being a Russian.. That's enough to target him.. Our legal system is rife with corruption.

he made this bizarre, twisted grimace, looked like he was about to start growling like an animal, as he finished the fight. Like he was really suppressing something bad, inside. As if it took some genuine force of will, to hold himself together.

Ike had a few issues, didn't he. Didn't he kidnap someone as well?

And there was the bizarre incident in the gym with Ezra Sellers. They'd spared and then Ibeabuchi had accused Sellers of wearing a (wedding?) ring during the sparring. And then attacked him after the sparring session.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Kalan wrote: And the woman wasn't an escort numbnuts, she was an erotic entertainer working outcall... quote]

Thanks for pointing that out, I often am accused of being way to esoteric, and my language is meant to be far more of good humor than smug.....and I know much gets lost in written translation.

And this is perfect example of what in my opinion is an "assessment deficit" that I sometimes ascribe to the contributor known as Kalan. And in this case I could not disagree more with Kalan.

Many of us do understand that sometimes you throw the book at someone who has had many accusations in order to help them, or keep society safe.

E.G. O.J. Simpson.....had O.J. NOT had his history, he probably would not be serving time now. But you go for max on smaller issues, when the big issues slip past.

In Ike's case they were numerous. And the issue at hand at the time was pretty serious. On an individual level, Ike was treated fairly, not unfairly.

I understand trends, and I know minorities suffer unfair justice on a grand scale. But in this specific case justice was served. And the little lady was the victim.....not the HW contender.


and the "minority" in this case was the tiny female that was more than just accosted by Ike.

Ike was a gentle guy. Under normal circumstances he wouldn't hurt a flea. Curtis Cokes thought he was a bad ass when he was actually a little puny piece of sh!t who couldn't cruise with a Heavyweight. He used to tell Ibeabuchi he'd knock him out. Ike knew he'd murder old man Cokes with one swing if he hit him, so he'd say "Yes captain" and chuckle. But as for putting away Chris Byrd, just like Dempsey would scowl and growl at opponents, if you didn't let some of that animal ferocity out at times you wouldn’t be real. You wouldn’t be a dyed in the wool killer.

Ibeabuchi was not a man you wanted to fk with, inside or outside the ring -- but since he was such a formidable looking monster, he got his share of offers to fight from insecure toughs. One guy took a couple swings at Ike to no effect. Ike grabbed him and said "Easy baby. Let's not hurt ourselves today. My name is Ike. Who are you?" ... "Jim" ... "You've got a Hell of a swing Jim, catch you later my man." He avoided more fights than he got into.

Kalan, On occasion there are folks who are bi-polar. And if we take you on your word that he had a gentle side,( and I see no real reason to doubt this could be true)
fine and dandy. But that's not the side that got him trouble. And all the good behavior in the world, does not excuse your dark side, if you give in to it.

I almost want to ask you ....what's your point here?

Do you believe it was a conspiracy, and that Ike never deserved any aspect of his imposed penalty?

If so....I'm good with your opinion, and as is often the case, I just don't share it.

Facts are facts whether the world wants to believe them or not... The fact is, Ike got screwed over royally by the American Justice System because he was a big, powerful, and scary looking black man. The kind of guy who gets your macho instincts revved up because you don't like feeling scared.. And Sonny Liston was treated harshly by our Justice System as well because he was such a scary looking black man.. Sonny wouldn't be among the scariest looking today, but he was then.. And the macho judge would say, "Mr Liston you accosted this woman (talked to her). I'm revoking your probation and sending you back to prison for a year"... Next!!! Mr Macho judge did it again. Showed these big black toughs who was boss.

Who else but Liston would have had their boxing license revoked in all 50 states because Muhammad Ali ran around the ring like a mad man -- instead of going to a neutral corner like the rules required of him??? Apparently nobody read the rule book and screwed up royally.. Only 1 thing to do.. blame Sonny.

Kalan wrote:Ike was a gentle guy. Under normal circumstances he wouldn't hurt a flea. Curtis Cokes thought he was a bad ass when he was actually a little puny piece of sh!t who couldn't cruise with a Heavyweight. He used to tell Ibeabuchi he'd knock him out. Ike knew he'd murder old man Cokes with one swing if he hit him, so he'd say "Yes captain" and chuckle. But as for putting away Chris Byrd, just like Dempsey would scowl and growl at opponents, if you didn't let some of that animal ferocity out at times you wouldn’t be real. You wouldn’t be a dyed in the wool killer.

Ibeabuchi was not a man you wanted to fk with, inside or outside the ring -- but since he was such a formidable looking monster, he got his share of offers to fight from insecure toughs. One guy took a couple swings at Ike to no effect. Ike grabbed him and said "Easy baby. Let's not hurt ourselves today. My name is Ike. Who are you?" ... "Jim" ... "You've got a Hell of a swing Jim, catch you later my man." He avoided more fights than he got into.

That's interesting Kalan. So how did you find out about this, and where did you get the quote from? Sounds like 'Jim' had a lucky escape.

I got it from a trainer who worked with Cokes.. There's a lot of Ike stories out there.. I don't believe all of the stories, like all all the guys it took to get Ike into a prison cell one day. I just thought that one sounded like something Ike would do. He doesn't get real excited real easy.