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ldlamb wrote:You guys are sad.

You talked crap for 6 months and your guy got stopped by body shots.

Quit crying.

apparently the ref admits his own
decision was a mistake. "talking crap"
either?

Kalan wrote:

imaioral wrote:Hopkins and Margarito were dirty boxers, but Ward never (rarely times I saw), he was always a strategist.

Bullcrap!!! ... His strategy for this fight was low blows... His strategy for the 1st fight was leveraging and pushing with his head, shoulders, and forearms.

Whenever Ward tried to box Kovalev in both fights...he got outscored... Therefore the "strategy"

The truth hurts, go study boxing a little more, accept the loss kid, it hurt less...

greg wrote:https://twitter.com/TonyWeeks_/status/8 ... 3862614016

Good of him to apologize if he genuinely did not see the low blows. However speaking to someone about infringements is not enough if you are then too intimidated to enforce the rules. It's probably best not to referee again either. Andre Ward is certainly a complete fighter.

Boxing like football (soccer), is extremely difficult to referee in real time. Which is why technology is being used increasingly at the highest levels. No one enjoys a stoppage in the action but there's just too much riding on a bad decision.

Everyone remembers great players and great boxers, but what about the referees? I always liked Mills Lane who was in charge of the extremely difficult Tyson-Holyfield bout.

Joe Cortez's performance in the Hatton-Mayweather fight was a great stifling job. Very professional.

Perhaps we need a referees top 10.

Thomastearns wrote:

greg wrote:https://twitter.com/TonyWeeks_/status/8 ... 3862614016

Good of him to apologize if he genuinely did not see the low blows. However speaking to someone about infringements is not enough if you are then too intimidated to enforce the rules. It's probably best not to referee again either. Andre Ward is certainly a complete fighter.

Boxing like football (soccer), is extremely difficult to referee in real time. Which is why technology is being used increasingly at the highest levels. No one enjoys a stoppage in the action but there's just too much riding on a bad decision.

Everyone remembers great players and great boxers, but what about the referees? I always liked Mills Lane who was in charge of the extremely difficult Tyson-Holyfield bout.

Joe Cortez's performance in the Hatton-Mayweather fight was a great stifling job. Very professional.

Perhaps we need a referees top 10.

Wtf. Cortez was shocking in the Hatton fight. He deducted a point from Ricky for PUNCHING THE TOP ROPE.

greg wrote:https://twitter.com/TonyWeeks_/status/8 ... 3862614016

The slow motion of the end of the fight showed 100 % that ward landed a clear low blow 2-3 times, with the last one being the clearest. Weeks standing close to the action didnt see nothing? Did he had his eyes closed?

Ricky_ wrote:

Thomastearns wrote:

greg wrote:https://twitter.com/TonyWeeks_/status/8 ... 3862614016

Good of him to apologize if he genuinely did not see the low blows. However speaking to someone about infringements is not enough if you are then too intimidated to enforce the rules. It's probably best not to referee again either. Andre Ward is certainly a complete fighter.

Boxing lime football (soccer), is extremely difficult to referee in real time. Which is why technology is being used increasingly at the highest levels. No one enjoys a stoppage in the action but there's just too much riding on a bad decision.

Everyone remembers great players and great boxers, but what about the referees? I always liked Mills Lane who was in charge of the extremely difficult Tyson-Holyfield bout.

Joe Cortez's performance in the Hatton-Mayweather fight was a great stifling job. Very professional.

Perhaps we need a referees top 10.

Wtf. Cortez was shocking in the Hatton fight. He deducted a point from Ricky for PUNCHING THE TOP ROPE.

Apologies for my sarcasm. Cortez's refereeing in that fight was the worst I have ever seen in a high level boxing match. Beyond incompetent, it was downright suspicious.

imaioral wrote:

Kalan wrote:

imaioral wrote:Hopkins and Margarito were dirty boxers, but Ward never (rarely times I saw), he was always a strategist.

Bullcrap!!! ... His strategy for this fight was low blows... His strategy for the 1st fight was leveraging and pushing with his head, shoulders, and forearms.

Whenever Ward tried to box Kovalev in both fights...he got outscored... Therefore the "strategy"

The truth hurts, go study boxing a little more, accept the loss kid, it hurt less...

Yeah, he is a "strategist". He adjusts really well. If head butts don't work, he tries low blows. Then he would likely try elbows.

I think that the fight started between a mix of both fighters trying to use the strategy + technique, but soon was taking proportion of a rivalry that both seemed showing signs of taking the fight to a more emotional level than rational and Weeks fell in that too, with Kovalev fakes (and no faking) low blow hurts a few times when it wasn't (and was) low blows, the too many hugs, etc. The sum of it in the match led him to start becoming pissed off (and was bit visible), mostly with the "gay" hug (and hug punches) behaviors and lack of action of a real boxing match, this took him the decision of stopping the fight.

Weeks is either blind or racist:

https://twitter.com/terrible100/status/ ... 9006873600

boxing_rocks wrote:

imaioral wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Bullcrap!!! ... His strategy for this fight was low blows... His strategy for the 1st fight was leveraging and pushing with his head, shoulders, and forearms.

Whenever Ward tried to box Kovalev in both fights...he got outscored... Therefore the "strategy"

The truth hurts, go study boxing a little more, accept the loss kid, it hurt less...

Yeah, he is a "strategist". He adjusts really well. If head butts don't work, he tries low blows. Then he would likely try elbows.

Bring the video headbutts moments and we can start talking. Say any parrot can say...

imaioral wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

imaioral wrote:
The truth hurts, go study boxing a little more, accept the loss kid, it hurt less...

Yeah, he is a "strategist". He adjusts really well. If head butts don't work, he tries low blows. Then he would likely try elbows.

Bring the video headbutts moments and we can start talking. Say any parrot can say...

Just watch the Kessler fight. Kovalev effectively neutralized any attempts of headbutts, so Ward didn't try them again.

Ricky_ wrote:https://twitter.com/RingSide_TV/status/ ... 3372189696

That was a CLEAN BIG LOWBLOW!

Tony Weeks should be suspended immediately . . . for depriving SOGgy and me the satisfaction of a comprehensive beatdown of the Russian Whiner.

This is a curious one for me.

I've had to rewatch a couple of times, because what I am hearing & reading doesn't quite fit with what I saw.

I couldn't see some of the blows because Kovalev's body was in the way, but unless Kovalev's ballbag is behind his protective waist band, then I didn't see any nut shots.

The stoppage seemed premature on the face of it, but what was Weeks supposed to do if he sees a fight half slumped & not fighting back?

I'm willing to give Weeks some benefit of the doubt because like me, I think he didn't see actual nut shots landing.

I would love to view those shots from another angle to truly make up my mind.

I really wish this hadn't happened, because Kovalev is the kind of guy that doesn't need much of an excuse to whinge & now he's got another one!

I suppose they're going to have to fight again & you know, the fight will be close & hard fought again, because they're both great fighters.

https://youtu.be/mzvtNCX3vP8?t=33m51s


This is a good replay of the stoppage, from 33m 51secs of this video. (Press play, it should start at 33:51).

Kovalev was hurt and trying to weather a storm from a monster right hand that Ward put all his weight behind, but he was jabbing back, his legs still steady, and actively clinching.

The finish shows Ward throw a low right (which looks like it was blocked) followed by a left hook which Kovalev slips under, then clinches.

Weeks then does a relatively weak break - putting no distance between the fighters at all.

Ward follows up with a left hook which is low. It buckles Kovalev forward somewhat, and he then drills home 2 more clear low blows.

Absolute garbage from Weeks.

Ricky_ wrote:https://youtu.be/mzvtNCX3vP8?t=33m51s


This is a good replay of the stoppage, from 33m 51secs of this video. (Press play, it should start at 33:51).

Kovalev was hurt and trying to weather a storm from a monster right hand that Ward put all his weight behind, but he was jabbing back, his legs still steady, and actively clinching.

The finish shows Ward throw a low right (which looks like it was blocked) followed by a left hook which Kovalev slips under, then clinches.

Weeks then does a relatively weak break - putting no distance between the fighters at all.

Ward follows up with a left hook which is low. It buckles Kovalev forward somewhat, and he then drills home 2 more clear low blows.

Absolute garbage from Weeks.

Right!! Weeks should have given the Russian Whiner five minutes to recover and taken a point away from SOGgy, and let us witness the completion of the comprehensive demolition SOGgy was executing on the loser.

Ward vs Kovalev was really Kovalev vs Ward, the judges, the referee, the NV Commission, the gambling syndicates. Welcome to the American boxing swamp.

Tanzio wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:https://youtu.be/mzvtNCX3vP8?t=33m51s


This is a good replay of the stoppage, from 33m 51secs of this video. (Press play, it should start at 33:51).

Kovalev was hurt and trying to weather a storm from a monster right hand that Ward put all his weight behind, but he was jabbing back, his legs still steady, and actively clinching.

The finish shows Ward throw a low right (which looks like it was blocked) followed by a left hook which Kovalev slips under, then clinches.

Weeks then does a relatively weak break - putting no distance between the fighters at all.

Ward follows up with a left hook which is low. It buckles Kovalev forward somewhat, and he then drills home 2 more clear low blows.

Absolute garbage from Weeks.

Right!! Weeks should have given the Russian Whiner five minutes to recover and taken a point away from SOGgy, and let us witness the completion of the comprehensive demolition SOGgy was executing on the loser.

Had that been the case, i'd be the first to advocate Ward as p4p#1 and crediting him with the best win in the sport since JMM-Pac 4.

I bet on Ward last night but have to say, Weeks is pretty damn inept for a big fight ref. The same guy allowed Garcia to pound Mathysse for 11 rds+ in the jewels before he Finally deducted a point. He also failed to get between those same fighters in rd 11 when Mathysee was trapped in the ropes and ended up getting knocked down. He blew the call with Castillo and as mentioned earlier, the butt in the Fury/Klit fight. Refs are human and they make mistakes but he continues to make calls that can and do affect the outcome. I wouldn't go as far as calling him corrupt, without evidence, but he is certainly incompetent. I believe Ward would have gotten to Kov with legit body shots by the end but there had to be a point deduct, a stern warning, and a reasonable rest period after several of those shots. Ward let it all hang out and he was gassed just throwing those shots so we really don't know what may have happened. HBO calling those shots "borderline"??? I like Max and RJ but they were being fans and not commentators. Props to Ward. No question that he is an all time great but even his most ardent fans have to admit he is one of the dirtiest fighters out there.

Ricky_ wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:https://youtu.be/mzvtNCX3vP8?t=33m51s


This is a good replay of the stoppage, from 33m 51secs of this video. (Press play, it should start at 33:51).

Kovalev was hurt and trying to weather a storm from a monster right hand that Ward put all his weight behind, but he was jabbing back, his legs still steady, and actively clinching.

The finish shows Ward throw a low right (which looks like it was blocked) followed by a left hook which Kovalev slips under, then clinches.

Weeks then does a relatively weak break - putting no distance between the fighters at all.

Ward follows up with a left hook which is low. It buckles Kovalev forward somewhat, and he then drills home 2 more clear low blows.

Absolute garbage from Weeks.

Right!! Weeks should have given the Russian Whiner five minutes to recover and taken a point away from SOGgy, and let us witness the completion of the comprehensive demolition SOGgy was executing on the loser.

Had that been the case, i'd be the first to advocate Ward as p4p#1 and crediting him with the best win in the sport since JMM-Pac 4.

I agree. If Weeks stopped low blows and other dirty tactics and Ward would still win, he would be p4p #1 at this time.

Tony Weeks reminds me of Richard Steele. Not in a good way.

Thats the first shot, straight after that is when Kova started complaining.

Even if you are biased towards Kova, you are doing your idol a disservice by saying that he was not able to take that shot, fight back and defend himself. If he was literally hit in the balls, ok that reaction could be valid. But just use your eyes! The balls are even drawn on the image for fornicate sake.

He was gone, he was looking for a way out cause he was gassed and hurt by an accumulation of punches. He stopped defending himself by the time the final shot was landed. I agree the fight should have gone on, but I understand how a referee could have seen it as he stopped defending himself.

Even if he got given a couple of minutes to recover, which would have been dirty as hell on Kovas part, he still was on the way out. Look at punch stats:



Ward was a lot more accurate. He even landed more power shots at this point and was in the ascendancy. Kovalev threw 170 more punches at this stage and missed the majority of these. 170 more punches thrown, 90% of those hitting thin air is a lot of wasted energy.

I think if the fight had gone on Kova would have been KO'd, instead of criticising Tony Weeks he should be thanking him for not letting Ward beat him decisively with a indisputable KO.

I think the stoppage was early but I dont think it was incompetence or corruption. It is very easy to blame everyone else when things dont go your way, but you should always look at what you can or could do about the situation. Kova didn't help himself in that round one bit, he wasn't hit in the balls he was hit somewhere in the abdomen and rather then take a knee or even throw a low one of his own, he decided to start complaining to the ref. Kova didn't do anything to help himself out of the situation or to fight back.

I think some people here need a reality check.

Here's a better angle of the finish:


https://twitter.com/EarlMontclair/statu ... 4226727936

Ricky_ wrote:Here's a better angle of the finish:


https://twitter.com/EarlMontclair/statu ... 4226727936

He couldn't have seen that in real time.