Andre Ward is P4P No1

[willyjwalsh]

Ward's resume is the best on paper. PFP No. 1 to me means that you have demonstrated a clear and legitimate superiority over great opponents in a way that sets you above everyone else fighting. Froch and Kessler were formidable fighters and Ward made them look like minor threats. Still, Ward now looks like he had some help when he got in the ring with the one guy who really seemed a threat to him. I don't rate him PFP No. 1, or even top five. He should stop complaining about what respect he gets and be grateful for he what he got. Some people don't get breaks.

If Kessler was such a minor threat, why did Ward need to repeatedly headbutt him and hug him for most of the fight ?

Kessler was great, and he fought Ward in Oakland. The fight was stopped on cuts caused by headbutts which were ruled unintentional, and at the time I thought they were. I guess you've got a point. As I recalled the fight, I thought Ward the better fighter that the favorite afterwards but now I want to watch it again. I guess holding and head butts that might be unintentional did not make the impression on me that the low blows did.

Also, Ward has always seemed sour because he was not a bigger star, but he would never credit his opponents which actually dimmed his own star. He handled Froch by being a lot stronger infighting than Froch thought he would be, but Froch--who can be a very egotistical ass himself--was very gracious and said Ward was the better man afterwards. Ward didn't say a thing about Froch as I recall that gave his opponent any credit.

I'm becoming more critical and losing my respect for Ward the more I think about it. Ward fought twice in the Carribean early in his career. Otherwise he never fought out of the US, or even California/Las Vegas. He fought Froch in NJ and acted like he had traveled to Britain as I recall. Other than that fight he won the super six in Oakland. Now he gets the benefit of being the house fighter again and wants to be No. 1 PFP?

Kessler's comeback vs. Skoglund I won't miss and if he has much left he'll win but like a lot of guys he should stay retired.

[Tanzio]

Ward's resume is the best on paper. PFP No. 1 to me means that you have demonstrated a clear and legitimate superiority over great opponents in a way that sets you above everyone else fighting. Froch and Kessler were formidable fighters and Ward made them look like minor threats. Still, Ward now looks like he had some help when he got in the ring with the one guy who really seemed a threat to him. I don't rate him PFP No. 1, or even top five. He should stop complaining about what respect he gets and be grateful for he what he got. Some people don't get breaks.

If Kessler was such a minor threat, why did Ward need to repeatedly headbutt him and hug him for most of the fight ?

Kessler was great, and he fought Ward in Oakland. The fight was stopped on cuts caused by headbutts which were ruled unintentional, and at the time I thought they were. I guess you've got a point. As I recalled the fight, I thought Ward the better fighter that the favorite afterwards but now I want to watch it again. I guess holding and head butts that might be unintentional did not make the impression on me that the low blows did.

Also, Ward has always seemed sour because he was not a bigger star, but he would never credit his opponents which actually dimmed his own star. He handled Froch by being a lot stronger infighting than Froch thought he would be, but Froch--who can be a very egotistical ass himself--was very gracious and said Ward was the better man afterwards. Ward didn't say a thing about Froch as I recall that gave his opponent any credit.

I'm becoming more critical and losing my respect for Ward the more I think about it. Ward fought twice in the Carribean early in his career. Otherwise he never fought out of the US, or even California/Las Vegas. He fought Froch in NJ and acted like he had traveled to Britain as I recall. Other than that fight he won the super six in Oakland. Now he gets the benefit of being the house fighter again and wants to be No. 1 PFP?

Kessler's comeback vs. Skoglund I won't miss and if he has much left he'll win but like a lot of guys he should stay retired.

I would enjoy seeing someone like Gvodzyk, Smith Jr, Beterbiev or Alvarez legitimately kick SOGgy's ass. I wanted Barrera to beat him. I wanted Krushedner to KO him in the first fight.

SOGgy has grown on me not because I especially like his style or his demeanor but rather because of the hate that he has cultivated. I love the way he makes his haters squeal like pigs for months on end.

SOGgy is the P4P baddest man in boxing at this time. He is not pretty. He is not popular. He is not the most skilled or the most gifted.

SOGgy is just a pit dog who refuses to lose.

[JeanClaude Van Damme]

Ward is a dirty fighter and a yellow-bellied coward for 90% of his career.

[Tanzio]

Ward is a dirty fighter and a yellow-bellied coward for 90% of his career.

Go ahead, squeal it all out, little piggy.

[Butterbean]

He want ever be p4p in my book.
Imo hes only clean fought fight was kovalev 1. (or at least met by kovalev in terms dirty fighting.)

And to claim ward won that fight is just insane. corrupt as hell. No doubt kovalev won that fight. wards own camp even seemed surpriced. let alone himself. One thing is being a dirty cheater, another is claiming and acting his nick. Ignoorant and shamefull.

A third thing, being corrupt, as in fixed cards and biased reffing, is just appalling.

Being a top athlete brings responsebility in terms of showing and having respect towards opponents, the crowd and the sport itself. ward represents neither

no. 1 p4p never

[Tanzio]

He want ever be p4p in my book.
Imo hes only clean fought fight was kovalev 1. (or at least met by kovalev in terms dirty fighting.)

And to claim ward won that fight is just insane. corrupt as hell. No doubt kovalev won that fight. wards own camp even seemed surpriced. let alone himself. One thing is being a dirty cheater, another is claiming and acting his nick. Ignoorant and shamefull.

A third thing, being corrupt, as in fixed cards and biased reffing, is just appalling.

Being a top athlete brings responsebility in terms of showing and having respect towards opponents, the crowd and the sport itself. ward represents neither

no. 1 p4p never

It is ok. We are here for you. Now take your Krushedner doll (complete with Urkel trunks) and have a nice nap. When you wake up squealing from the nightmares of Krushedner being defeated by SOGgy for the third time, we will be here to assure you that it is only twice, so far.

[Impractical Poster]

Dang Tanz... You decided to lead the SOGgy brigade?

[Tanzio]

Dang Tanz... You decided to lead the SOGgy brigade?

Absolutely!! SOGgy won both fights. Krushedner was looking for an easy way out for at least half the fight. The Russian talked nothing but sh!t about what he was going to do to SOGgy.

Now the puta and his squealing piggy fans are crying about the fact that Weeks essentially saved his career. They are whining because they weren't awarded a victory for the last punch being low.

What a collection of vulvas.

[Impractical Poster]

Dang Tanz... You decided to lead the SOGgy brigade?

Absolutely!! SOGgy won both fights. Krushedner was looking for an easy way out for at least half the fight. The Russian talked nothing but sh!t about what he was going to do to SOGgy.

Now the puta and his squealing piggy fans are crying about the fact that Weeks essentially saved his career. They are whining because they weren't awarded a victory for the last punch being low.

What a collection of vulvas.

I figured Ward would win. Was hoping for Kov to win because he is more active and easier to watch. That being said, I've never really been a fan of either guy. I would usually root for Kovalev just because I felt he was be a good ambassador to the division.

But no matter how much whining I hear from The Krusher corner, I still can't support Ward. He has no characteristics that I care for. I respect him for getting off the deck and beating Kov. But he's a fighter.

[Tanzio]

Dang Tanz... You decided to lead the SOGgy brigade?

Absolutely!! SOGgy won both fights. Krushedner was looking for an easy way out for at least half the fight. The Russian talked nothing but sh!t about what he was going to do to SOGgy.

Now the puta and his squealing piggy fans are crying about the fact that Weeks essentially saved his career. They are whining because they weren't awarded a victory for the last punch being low.

What a collection of vulvas.

I figured Ward would win. Was hoping for Kov to win because he is more active and easier to watch. That being said, I've never really been a fan of either guy. I would usually root for Kovalev just because I felt he was be a good ambassador to the division.

But no matter how much whining I hear from The Krusher corner, I still can't support Ward. He has no characteristics that I care for. I respect him for getting off the deck and beating Kov. But he's a fighter.

I think SOGgy has gotten a bad rap. He is a good, family man, although far too faith arrogant for me. He trains hard. He respects his opponents. He fights the best.

I actually like his style. He is a pit dog. He has great skill, unique gifts, huge heart, extreme toughness.

I liked SOGgy during the SSix, then he started pissing me off. The only real reason that he has won back my support is the Team Krushedner whining b!tch legions.

[Ricky_]

Absolutely!! SOGgy won both fights. Krushedner was looking for an easy way out for at least half the fight. The Russian talked nothing but sh!t about what he was going to do to SOGgy.

Now the puta and his squealing piggy fans are crying about the fact that Weeks essentially saved his career. They are whining because they weren't awarded a victory for the last punch being low.

What a collection of vulvas.

I figured Ward would win. Was hoping for Kov to win because he is more active and easier to watch. That being said, I've never really been a fan of either guy. I would usually root for Kovalev just because I felt he was be a good ambassador to the division.

But no matter how much whining I hear from The Krusher corner, I still can't support Ward. He has no characteristics that I care for. I respect him for getting off the deck and beating Kov. But he's a fighter.

I think SOGgy has gotten a bad rap. He is a good, family man, although far too faith arrogant for me. He trains hard. He respects his opponents. He fights the best.

I actually like his style. He is a pit dog. He has great skill, unique gifts, huge heart, extreme toughness.

I liked SOGgy during the SSix, then he started pissing me off. The only real reason that he has won back my support is the Team Krushedner whining b!tch legions.

What a piss-poor reason to like a fighter.

[Impractical Poster]

I figured Ward would win. Was hoping for Kov to win because he is more active and easier to watch. That being said, I've never really been a fan of either guy. I would usually root for Kovalev just because I felt he was be a good ambassador to the division.

But no matter how much whining I hear from The Krusher corner, I still can't support Ward. He has no characteristics that I care for. I respect him for getting off the deck and beating Kov. But he's a fighter.

I think SOGgy has gotten a bad rap. He is a good, family man, although far too faith arrogant for me. He trains hard. He respects his opponents. He fights the best.

I actually like his style. He is a pit dog. He has great skill, unique gifts, huge heart, extreme toughness.

I liked SOGgy during the SSix, then he started pissing me off. The only real reason that he has won back my support is the Team Krushedner whining b!tch legions.

What a piss-poor reason to like a fighter.

Well... we all like fighters for different reasons. I already liked Wilder, but all the hate has made me even a bigger fan. However, if I had not liked him in the first place, I'd probably be on the hate wagon as well.

[Kalan]

Andre Ward is Pound For Pound Number 1.
It's like that.

What say you ?

Lomachenko is.. Ward got out-punched again for 7 rounds.. A corrupt referee allowed him to win.. Ward is a great fighter -- but not close to being the best.

Lomachenko is the best... Crawford is certainly better than Ward...and so is Russell... Golovkin is better than Ward...and so is Joshua.. I would rank Kovalev well behind all of those, but ahead of Ward for certain... He out-boxed Ward in 2 fights so far... Ward was brilliant at dirty fighting.

[Tanzio]

Andre Ward is Pound For Pound Number 1.
It's like that.

What say you ?

Lomachenko is.. Ward got out-punched again for 7 rounds.. A corrupt referee allowed him to win.. Ward is a great fighter -- but not close to being the best.

Lomachenko is the best... Crawford is certainly better than Ward...and so is Russell... Golovkin is better than Ward...and so is Joshua.. I would rank Kovalev well behind all of those, but ahead of Ward for certain... He out-boxed Ward in 2 fights so far... Ward was brilliant at dirty fighting.

Correction; SOGgy was brilliant at defeating the vaunted bully sh!t talker twice, utterly destroying him (if not for Weeks cheating him out of it) the second time.

Suddenly Krushedner isn't that unbeatable after SOGgy beating him. Oh, that's right, according to you The Whiny Russian isn't that good because he did not beat SOGgy convincingly enough

What a load of confused and rotten tripe.

SOGgy is a badass who just made someone who was considered nearly unbeatable by many cry for his babushka.

SOGgy is #1 P4P at the moment.

[boxing_rocks]

1-5 (in arbitrary order): Loma, Crawford, Golovkin, Inoue, Spence.

Ward got a win over a guy who defeated SOJ in their previous fight and gassed out after beating him for at least 6 rounds. That win will always remain tainted, because the ref allowed all those low blows and stopped the fight instead of penalizing Ward and letting Kovalev recover.

Besides, Kovalev has never been as good as the 5 guys I mentioned. He barely throws any uppercuts and hooks, his balance is not good and so is inside work.

[Taansend]

I'd have Canelo, Crawford & Lomachenko over him but I can see why people would have him Number One.

Two disputable wins over a tough slugger should be respected but the three names above have done more, in my humble opinion.

Ward is brilliant but a tad protected (home fights & favoured reffing).

A dominant win over Stevenson could make him The Daddy. & I think he would handle Superman easily. But until he does......

[Tanzio]

1-5 (in arbitrary order): Loma, Crawford, Golovkin, Inoue, Spence.

Ward got a win over a guy who defeated SOJ in their previous fight and gassed out after beating him for at least 6 rounds. That win will always remain tainted, because the ref allowed all those low blows and stopped the fight instead of penalizing Ward and letting Kovalev recover.

Besides, Kovalev has never been as good as the 5 guys I mentioned. He barely throws any uppercuts and hooks, his balance is not good and so is inside work.

Krushedner's inside work was good enough to land a fair number of low blows. The difference is SOGgy never stopped and did a Meryl Streep every time a shot landed on the belt or below. He also did not act like a pro soccer player trying to draw a foul while Krushedner repeatedly hit him in the back of the head all night. He simply pointed out to Weeks a few times who properly ignored it for the most part.

Krushedner was saved by Weeks not cheated by Weeks, and the Russian had been looking for a way out of there since early in the sixth. Weeks simply finally obliged him.

The first win for SOGgy was also Krushedner's fault. He failed to finish and faded before the last half even began. He lost a razor thin decision that he can blame only himself for letting get away.

[Tanzio]

I figured Ward would win. Was hoping for Kov to win because he is more active and easier to watch. That being said, I've never really been a fan of either guy. I would usually root for Kovalev just because I felt he was be a good ambassador to the division.

But no matter how much whining I hear from The Krusher corner, I still can't support Ward. He has no characteristics that I care for. I respect him for getting off the deck and beating Kov. But he's a fighter.

I think SOGgy has gotten a bad rap. He is a good, family man, although far too faith arrogant for me. He trains hard. He respects his opponents. He fights the best.

I actually like his style. He is a pit dog. He has great skill, unique gifts, huge heart, extreme toughness.

I liked SOGgy during the SSix, then he started pissing me off. The only real reason that he has won back my support is the Team Krushedner whining b!tch legions.

What a piss-poor reason to like a fighter.

And you are a piss poor excuse for a troll on CS. You are far more proficient at trolling Offal Topic.

[Butterbean]

He want ever be p4p in my book.
Imo hes only clean fought fight was kovalev 1. (or at least met by kovalev in terms dirty fighting.)

And to claim ward won that fight is just insane. corrupt as hell. No doubt kovalev won that fight. wards own camp even seemed surpriced. let alone himself. One thing is being a dirty cheater, another is claiming and acting his nick. Ignoorant and shamefull.

A third thing, being corrupt, as in fixed cards and biased reffing, is just appalling.

Being a top athlete brings responsebility in terms of showing and having respect towards opponents, the crowd and the sport itself. ward represents neither

no. 1 p4p never

It is ok. We are here for you. Now take your Krushedner doll (complete with Urkel trunks) and have a nice nap. When you wake up squealing from the nightmares of Krushedner being defeated by SOGgy for the third time, we will be here to assure you that it is only twice, so far.

Oh dear kiddo. are you ok ? Do you have any family og friends we can call for you ? It seems like you are in need of intensive help and care.

[Tanzio]

He want ever be p4p in my book.
Imo hes only clean fought fight was kovalev 1. (or at least met by kovalev in terms dirty fighting.)

And to claim ward won that fight is just insane. corrupt as hell. No doubt kovalev won that fight. wards own camp even seemed surpriced. let alone himself. One thing is being a dirty cheater, another is claiming and acting his nick. Ignoorant and shamefull.

A third thing, being corrupt, as in fixed cards and biased reffing, is just appalling.

Being a top athlete brings responsebility in terms of showing and having respect towards opponents, the crowd and the sport itself. ward represents neither

no. 1 p4p never

It is ok. We are here for you. Now take your Krushedner doll (complete with Urkel trunks) and have a nice nap. When you wake up squealing from the nightmares of Krushedner being defeated by SOGgy for the third time, we will be here to assure you that it is only twice, so far.

Oh dear kiddo. are you ok ? Do you have any family og friends we can call for you ? It seems like you are in need of intensive help and care.

I am fine. You and the rest of the deluded SOGgy haters spending months denigrating the #1 p4p fighter in the world because he defeated your sewer mouthed bully twice are the ones in need of therapy.

I am here to help. Puke it all out. Cry until you are dry. Squeal yourselves to sleep. I will be here to see to it that you fully experience your pain so you can eventually move on in a year or two.

[boxing_rocks]

He want ever be p4p in my book.
Imo hes only clean fought fight was kovalev 1. (or at least met by kovalev in terms dirty fighting.)

And to claim ward won that fight is just insane. corrupt as hell. No doubt kovalev won that fight. wards own camp even seemed surpriced. let alone himself. One thing is being a dirty cheater, another is claiming and acting his nick. Ignoorant and shamefull.

A third thing, being corrupt, as in fixed cards and biased reffing, is just appalling.

Being a top athlete brings responsebility in terms of showing and having respect towards opponents, the crowd and the sport itself. ward represents neither

no. 1 p4p never

It is ok. We are here for you. Now take your Krushedner doll (complete with Urkel trunks) and have a nice nap. When you wake up squealing from the nightmares of Krushedner being defeated by SOGgy for the third time, we will be here to assure you that it is only twice, so far.

Oh dear kiddo. are you ok ? Do you have any family og friends we can call for you ? It seems like you are in need of intensive help and care.

His Russian wife is not treating him well, so he hates Russians. She probably looks like Kovalev too

[Tanzio]

It is ok. We are here for you. Now take your Krushedner doll (complete with Urkel trunks) and have a nice nap. When you wake up squealing from the nightmares of Krushedner being defeated by SOGgy for the third time, we will be here to assure you that it is only twice, so far.

Oh dear kiddo. are you ok ? Do you have any family og friends we can call for you ? It seems like you are in need of intensive help and care.

His Russian wife is not treating him well, so he hates Russians. She probably looks like Kovalev too

Yet another SOGgy hater obsessed with my wife

[Ricky_]

It is ok. We are here for you. Now take your Krushedner doll (complete with Urkel trunks) and have a nice nap. When you wake up squealing from the nightmares of Krushedner being defeated by SOGgy for the third time, we will be here to assure you that it is only twice, so far.

Oh dear kiddo. are you ok ? Do you have any family og friends we can call for you ? It seems like you are in need of intensive help and care.

His Russian wife is not treating him well, so he hates Russians. She probably looks like Kovalev too

She probably has more chest hair than him.

[Butterbean]

never thought that an otherwise reasonable poster would border the insanity of bnovelist or the enlightened one and all his aliases.

But i guess spending to much time in here can do that to a person.

lets wish him all the best in his recovery...

[Tanzio]

Oh dear kiddo. are you ok ? Do you have any family og friends we can call for you ? It seems like you are in need of intensive help and care.

His Russian wife is not treating him well, so he hates Russians. She probably looks like Kovalev too

She probably has more chest hair than him.

When you have no argument, revert to blind jealousy. Don't you two have a date with a shemale pornsite? Enjoy