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I just heard Wilder would have accepted for 7 milion.

Well, lol, how sad can you be?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't his last pay cheque for the Washington fight 1.4 million?
If so, then turning down more than double that is an Aduckis move if I've ever seen one.
If right, then surely this promotes Wilder as #1 P4P Ducker, demoting Aduckis Chickenson from the #1 spot.

To offer 7 would be that Wilder steps out of the way for 3 fights minimum.
The offer alone suggests weakness though you could look at it either way.

Mind you 6-7 Million to step off as Joshua builds his name even bigger with easy ones while Deontay sits tight is appealing.

2 fights for 6.

January 2015 was the Stiverne fight.
5 B grade "defenses" and a lot of talk about unifying the division.
I remember how excited Americans were about having a HW champion, i wouldn't mind that if he didn't walk around calling himself the champion.
38 fights and 5 defences
Stiverne is still his highest ranked opponent and it went the distance. I would rank Parker beating Stiverne, maybe not knocking him out, but at least going the distance and being busy enough to get the win.
That's my rant.

Go on then.
Do Joshua v Wilder by Xmas ... guarantee Joshua won't go for it.

AJ hasn't ducked anyone yet, that I know of.
And he has moved up very quickly. Wilder didn't want to even know about fighting Wlad.
The money is there. And we are talking BIG money. Everyone wants it.
If Wlad declines the rematch (fingers crossed he does) then we will see.

He won't do it.
It's nothing to do with ducking anyone, it's preserving a name opponent.

KiwiRider wrote:January 2015 was the Stiverne fight.
5 B grade "defenses" and a lot of talk about unifying the division.
I remember how excited Americans were about having a HW champion, i wouldn't mind that if he didn't walk around calling himself the champion.
38 fights and 5 defences
Stiverne is still his highest ranked opponent and it went the distance. I would rank Parker beating Stiverne, maybe not knocking him out, but at least going the distance and being busy enough to get the win.
That's my rant.

Stiverne was B grade. Wilder's defenses were against C level fighters.

He wants 7 milion lol, that's as far as I know, over 2ce as much as Dillian Whyte and AJ together when they fought each other.

If I was Whyte, I would say, reveil me your terms and I'll consider it.

Saying AJ bought his belt, while in reality Wilder bought at least his last 10 fights in a row lol!

montrealsuper wrote:Like I told you - Wilder is a fraud hoax and only gets in the ring with stiffs and patsies controlled by Al Haymon. White is way too dangerous for Fraud Wilder to fight in a REAL fight and Al Haymon aint lettin it happen.

Whyte is not even a worthy challenger. Someone already mentioned why Wilder turned down a fight with this unworthy contender:

Just read Hearn wanted options on Wilder, so he turned it down.

crusader wrote:

armageto wrote:I'm not a fan of Wilder, but it seems hard to believe he was offered almost 3.5 million USD to fight a guy who just went life and death with Chisora. Not like it would be a PPV over here or sellout a large boxing venue. I don't know why he'd turn down a fight with a C level boxer, when he's beaten Arreola, Stiverne, and Duhaupas, who I rate higher than Whyte.

I'd favour Whyte over those three Wilder opponents. I mean, is going life and death in a win over Chisora that much of a knock when you're comparing Whyte to guys like that?

I think Stiverne and Arreola would stop Whyte. Duhaupas on second thought is probably even with him.

Lackeos wrote:

armageto wrote:I'm not a fan of Wilder, but it seems hard to believe he was offered almost 3.5 million USD to fight a guy who just went life and death with Chisora. Not like it would be a PPV over here or sellout a large boxing venue. I don't know why he'd turn down a fight with a C level boxer, when he's beaten Arreola, Stiverne, and Duhaupas, who I rate higher than Whyte.

Whyte is unambiguously better than all of those except for Stiverne, whom he is merely probably better than.

I guess we shall disagree. Whyte has yet to do anything in his career that would suggest he could win a major belt like Stiverne and Arreola has a pretty solid resume. I think they both stop Whyte, at least the versions that fought Wilder. I think Duhaupas is probably a 50/50 fight.

In Arreola's three fights right before Wilder he was given hell by clubfighter Curtis Harper, got a lucky draw against Kassi, then arguably got lucky again with the split decision win over Kauffman, who put him on the canvas. You really think this shopworn Arreola stops Whyte, when he was given hell by and couldn't stop those other three?

Stiverne is a habitually lazy, out of shape fighter, and while Stiv does have good power I'd give Whyte a great chance of winning on work rate.

Arreola is the worst of that group by a significant margin. He has always sucked.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Wilder wants to unify. if he can't get Parker, sadly he will have to fight Stiverne. That's why Whyte wouldn't make sense for him. Not that the WBC is as stringent as the IBF, but at some point he's going to have to clean up that mess.

I think this might be the real reason for this fight not happening.

That or Wilders team is afraid of Whyte.

armageto wrote:

crusader wrote:

armageto wrote:I'm not a fan of Wilder, but it seems hard to believe he was offered almost 3.5 million USD to fight a guy who just went life and death with Chisora. Not like it would be a PPV over here or sellout a large boxing venue. I don't know why he'd turn down a fight with a C level boxer, when he's beaten Arreola, Stiverne, and Duhaupas, who I rate higher than Whyte.

I'd favour Whyte over those three Wilder opponents. I mean, is going life and death in a win over Chisora that much of a knock when you're comparing Whyte to guys like that?

I think Stiverne and Arreola would stop Whyte. Duhaupas on second thought is probably even with him.

I think that even prime Arreola would struggle with Whyte. The Arreola that fought Wilder was way way over the hill.

Stiverne might KO him. Stiverne is pretty good when the opponent suits him. I think Whyte would be just the kind of opponent stiverne want's.

Duhaupas and Whyte would be good match

Wilder seems rather hung up on how paltry $3m is compared to the sum paid to Martin which was probaby more than double that. What Deontay doesn't understand or more likely chooses not to acknowledge, is that Martin was seen as easy pickings for the first challenger of genuine ability to come along, and it was worth Hearn offering silly-money to ensure that opportunity would be AJ's. Eddie Hearn made a shrewd investment and his return has been excellent so far and should continue to be so.

Deontay is not going to get an offer like that because Dillian is not an unbeaten Olympic Golden Boy and Wilder is not someone who just needs to be lured here in order to be relieved of his lollipop. Deontay says "You don't call the shots, I'm the Heavyweight Champion of the World". No you're not Deontay, you are one of the claimants. You are the WBC champion. You hold one quarter of the crown. Joshua is struggling to hold on to both of his quarters and doesn't need to concern himself with adding a third at the moment. You have to understand Deontay that as much as you probably represent the choice of opponent most of us would like to watch AJ face, he doesn't need you and certainly not in the short to medium term.

You can recruit a whole bunch of noisy pushy British fans to get behind your campaign to force your big money showdown with Joshua. All you need to do is get your ass over here. show your wares to the UK fight fans, beat up Dillian Whyte who nobody outside the UK seems to think much of. For that you're going to get great exposure, the best payday of your career so far, and make still bigger payday(s) almost inevitable.

It's only Dillian Whyte. A guy who has been knocked out. A guy who just squeezed past Dereck Chisora, A C-Class fighter some would have it. Surely you're way better than him? You're the best Heavyweight in the world, isn't that what you're forever telling us? What else you going to do once you retire Stiverne - maybe Warzjek will have got himself Vada approved by then? That should be worth, what ... 250k in Tuscaloosa?

If Hearn is making unreasonable demands like he wants a piece of you, then tell us what he wants. Let's get it out there so we can shame him into dropping them ... assuming they exist.

I'm trying to fight the cynicism people, really I am.

As I have stated repeatedly over the years Wilder is the love child of a preying mantis and Bambi faced with the prospect of ice.

I thought it was just me likens him to a Preying Mantis. Glad to see it isn't

boxing_rocks wrote:https://twitter.com/DillianWhyte/status ... 2405223425

Wasn't part of the deal that Hearn got options on him? Still a very good over and if he wins and looks good it will set up the AJ fight nicely.

Nightmare Roy wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:https://twitter.com/DillianWhyte/status ... 2405223425

Wasn't part of the deal that Hearn got options on him? Still a very good over and if he wins and looks good it will set up the AJ fight nicely.

He has a mandatory due, not that Wilder's matchmaking deserves much defense but even if he could get Stiverne to step aside, it will take a nice check and he'd still owe him a fight. Perhaps I'm naïve, but from talking to him I truly believe Wilder wants to unify. If he can't, this albatross of Stiverne will eventually have to be dealt with.

Fight would have been made if Hearn wasn't trying to force Wilder into making Matchroom his new promoter.

Wilder wants to stay loyal to Dibella, plus figthing a guy coming off a loss to Chisora would bring more criticism of his opponent selection.