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Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 16:02
by gilgamesh
Kalan wrote:gilgamesh... You're the biggest idiot on the board... ever since you challenged me to pick the winners of your select fights -- and I picked them all correctly and you didn't..you've been an A-hole... The winners of fights aren't always the popular favorites... Chamberlain-Ali never took place because there is irrefutable prove that Ali refused to sign the contract... He didn't want to killed.
I had Joshua knocking Klitschko out and a lot of "experts" here picked the underdog because of his vast experience.. He got dumped 3 X and taken out.
A lot of people picked Joshua to knock out Klitschko. Including me.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 16:04
by Ossyrules
Ali beats Wilt imo but I think wilt takes him at bball
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 16:09
by Kalan
vostok wrote:Kalan wrote:I rank them 1. Joshua... 2. Vitali... 3. Fury... 4. Wladimir... 5. Lewis
Lennox Lewis struggled against Ray Mercer... He didn't completely dominate Evander Holyfield... He left his chin hanging out versus Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman... and he was losing on all scorecards against Vitali Klitschko.
Joshua has never been beaten... Vitali has never been behind on points after any fight and was never knocked down... Fury has never been beaten...
That leaves Wladimir and Lennox bringing up the rear... They didn't always defend that well -- and both could be out-worked.
Basing the ranking on to "has never been beaten" basis is a pretty suspect logic. Not seems to be sincere to say the least..
Joshua struggled against a medicore "nobody" Whyte... He didn't completely dominate a 41 year old Kilstchko...İnstead, that win was gift by wlad. He left his chin hanging out versus "nobody" Whyte and "41st" Wlad... and he may be losing on all scorecards against Wlad up till the (premature?) TKO. He was gassing all around, the worst I've seen so far. Man, he seemed like he was about give his last breath between the 6th and 9th rounds..He could barely move. All joshua needs is, somebody slightly better than Mercer. Maybe another Mccall..
Joshua has never been beaten...Never beaten by whom? Other than 41 year old "chin made for him Wlad", whom he even couldn't KO.. Joshua was knocked down and turned into a walking corpse for at least three rounds by a strong, but -not properly landing on the chin- punch .....Fury is another green subject.
Joshua didn't struggle against Whyte... Whyte struggled in his only loss -- and he got knocked out... He landed a good shot??? Bully for him because in didn't cause AJ to stagger, stumble, drop, or grab.. AJ came right back at Whyte and took him out in cold blooded fashion..
Wladimir may be 41 but Hopkins was 41 when he won his FIRST of FIVE Light Heavyweight Championships.. Wladimir fought one of the best fights of his life and the one he said he prepared hardest for.. He was determined to win -- but Joshua was more determined -- and scored 3 knockdowns and a KO and was WINNING on the score cards heading into the 11th round.. Don't lie about it, he was winning the fight on the cards.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 17:35
by Syntax Error
Boxing Writer wrote:IronFrost wrote:I know Joshua and Fury have still a lot to prove but i've added them into list for some reason
Where is Riddick Bowe?
Too short a prime & got hit way too easily.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 21:19
by SaadOffTheDeck
vostok wrote:Ducking: Avoiding a tough challenge..?
And I use the phrase ducking "on purpose"..
Rahman is not a tough challenge to begin with. Either way, this claim needs proof or whatsoever..
So, vitali was lying about his injuries by that time? Or overplaying?
Otherwise it is controversial to call this one "ducking"..
And correct me if I'm wrong; Williams fight was before(2004), after kicking tyson's ass and popular. Rahman fight was supposed to be in 2005. Vitali retired after that due to injury, instead of surgery option. Did not fight anybody afterwards. Which seems to be pretty consistent with his injury excuse. Period.
He retired for Crom's sake :)
So, maybe overcautious. But no ducking. Hence, doesn't affect the big picture.
Whatever..
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 21:20
by keithmoonhangover
Lewis all day and twice on Sundays.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 21:23
by gilgamesh
Syntax Error wrote:Boxing Writer wrote:IronFrost wrote:I know Joshua and Fury have still a lot to prove but i've added them into list for some reason
Where is Riddick Bowe?
Too short a prime & got hit way too easily.
Riddick Bowe accomplished more than Vitali did. Vitali doesn't have any win nearly as meaningful as Bowe's wins over Holyfield.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 21:24
by SaadOffTheDeck
Lewis is the only one more accomplished than bowe.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 21:26
by gilgamesh
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lewis is the only one more accomplished than bowe.
I'd say Wladimir is as well, though Wlad doesn't have any win as good as Holyfield either, a 10 year world title reign and wins over the best Heavyweights his generation had to offer has to count for something.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 21:29
by SaadOffTheDeck
gilgamesh wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lewis is the only one more accomplished than bowe.
I'd say Wladimir is as well, though Wlad doesn't have any win as good as Holyfield either, a 10 year world title reign and wins over the best Heavyweights his generation had to offer has to count for something.
Poor opposition, bowe beat a top 5-10 all time Heavyweight at his peak. Arguably beat him 3 times.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 21:32
by chinarich
Thomastearns wrote:Vitali Klitschko, who earned it the hard way. He did nothing wrong in his career with just 2 losses both due to injury.
Never hit the canvas and never avoided anybody.
Made winning look easy and retired Lewis. That plus a great KO record seals the deal.
Joshua and Fury are still works in progress with a possible showdown looming.
I know you are obviously trolling here with the comment that both of his losses were due to injury - and I really shouldn't rise to the bait - but you simply have to accept that VK's injury in the Lewis fight was caused by Lennox Lewis repeatedly punching him in the face until the doctor deemed him unable to continue. I think they call it boxing... Anyway, if you are a true fan then you should be grateful that the fight was stopped because had the injury worsened then it could have been career threatening. Retired Lewis? Ha!
Oh, and I voted Lewis...
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 21:35
by gilgamesh
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:gilgamesh wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lewis is the only one more accomplished than bowe.
I'd say Wladimir is as well, though Wlad doesn't have any win as good as Holyfield either, a 10 year world title reign and wins over the best Heavyweights his generation had to offer has to count for something.
Poor opposition, bowe beat a top 5-10 all time Heavyweight at his peak. Arguably beat him 3 times.
That's just 1 name though, Wlad has enough wins over the top guys of his era to surpass that in my opinion. I know you disagree, and that's fair enough, but Wlad ranks ahead of Bowe for me.
For the record: If they met head to head both at their best I'd pick Bowe to win via KO in a one sided ass kicking.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 22:35
by SaadOffTheDeck
Its a reasonable difference of opinion, I don't think wlad fares well against bowe. H2h should only come into play in toss ups. Bowe would hurt him imo, holy too.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 01 Jul 2017, 12:48
by Boxing Writer
Syntax Error wrote:Boxing Writer wrote:IronFrost wrote:I know Joshua and Fury have still a lot to prove but i've added them into list for some reason
Where is Riddick Bowe?
Too short a prime & got hit way too easily.
Yes, but Fury's prime was way shorter
And Bowe has better win than any fighter in this list including Lennox Lewis. Lewis' best win is a win over 37 y.o. washed up version of Holyfield. Bowe's best win is a win over 30 y.o. peak version of Holyfield.
I defeinitely rank Lewis and Wlad higher than Bowe if we are talking about achievements, but H2H I'd favour Bowe over anyone in this list.
Re: Who (is) was the best champion & most skilled and completed fighter of those 5 giants
Posted: 01 Jul 2017, 17:14
by SaadOffTheDeck
gilgamesh wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:gilgamesh wrote:
I'd say Wladimir is as well, though Wlad doesn't have any win as good as Holyfield either, a 10 year world title reign and wins over the best Heavyweights his generation had to offer has to count for something.
Poor opposition, bowe beat a top 5-10 all time Heavyweight at his peak. Arguably beat him 3 times.
That's just 1 name though, Wlad has enough wins over the top guys of his era to surpass that in my opinion. I know you disagree, and that's fair enough, but Wlad ranks ahead of Bowe for me.
For the record: If they met head to head both at their best I'd pick Bowe to win via KO in a one sided ass kicking.
Tubbs, seldon, old dokes, Ferguson, golota, etc.. plenty of names that fit in with wlad's.