Is Usyk among the top 5 CW - all times ?

[world ranked]

Top 5 CW of all times ??? Based on what ? Neither achievements in pro ranks, nor eye test say that he is an ATG.

People love that eye test with no facts (resume) to back it up.

[Ossyrules]

Top 5 CW of all times ??? Based on what ? Neither achievements in pro ranks, nor eye test say that he is an ATG.

People love that eye test with no facts (resume) to back it up.

Beating opponents is essentially the most important thing, but there's a place for the eye test, how good someone actually looks. You're a slave to resume and judge nothing for yourself world ranked

[PsychoGamerTwo]

You f*cking people can't wait to start talking about people's standing in the all time rankings. Let them have a career in their own time first for f*cks sake. Usyk's barely even started. His all time ranking doesn't mean d*ck at the moment, he still needs to establish how good he is or isn't in the here and now.

IMO, Buatsi is a LHW ATG. He just didn't prove it yet.

[world ranked]

Top 5 CW of all times ??? Based on what ? Neither achievements in pro ranks, nor eye test say that he is an ATG.

People love that eye test with no facts (resume) to back it up.

Beating opponents is essentially the most important thing, but there's a place for the eye test, how good someone actually looks. You're a slave to resume and judge nothing for yourself world ranked

There is a place for it but not ATG arguments. Never heard someone say on the eye test this guy is ATG at a weight without the resume issue coming up. And your right about one thing BEATING opponents is essentially the most important thing. Like I said before I like to have facts with my opinions.

[Lackeos]

I don't think it's ridiculous to consider him necessarily I just think it's a ridiculous conversation to even be having considering how early in his career he is at the moment.

People were saying the same thing when fanboys were talking up Lomachenko as the messiah. They're eating their words now because Lomachenko is a high p4p fighter. I'm expecting it'll be the same with Usyk. Usyk is the future of the HW division. The SAVIOR of the HW division.

People also called David Price, Amir Mansour, Seth Mitchell, Deontay Wilder, David Haye, and Bryant Jennings the saviors of the heavyweight division.

[crusader]

People love that eye test with no facts (resume) to back it up.

Beating opponents is essentially the most important thing, but there's a place for the eye test, how good someone actually looks. You're a slave to resume and judge nothing for yourself world ranked

There is a place for it but not ATG arguments. Never heard someone say on the eye test this guy is ATG at a weight without the resume issue coming up. And your right about one thing BEATING opponents is essentially the most important thing. Like I said before I like to have facts with my opinions.

So who are your top 5 cruiserweights based on resume?

[ValMar]

Lomachenko might be P4P #1 or #2 or #3 depending who you ask, but nobody considers him Top 5 in any weight class he's competed in yet.

Gilgamesh, would you be so kind and write your top 5 CW ATG list ?

1. Evander Holyfield
2. James Toney
3. Marco Huck
4. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
5. Vassily Jirov

Gilgamesh, I agree with you about #1. Neglect Usyk this time, but where is David Haye ? Please, do not understand this personally, but any list without David Haye is very questionable.

[Ossyrules]

Gilgamesh, would you be so kind and write your top 5 CW ATG list ?

1. Evander Holyfield
2. James Toney
3. Marco Huck
4. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
5. Vassily Jirov

Gilgamesh, I agree with you about #1. Neglect Usyk this time, but where is David Haye ? Please, do not understand this personally, but any list without David Haye is very questionable.

Hayes number 2 for me

[Tanzio]

Holyfield
Haye
Lebedev
Huck
Adamek
Hernandez
Cunningham
Jirov
Qawi
Toney

[gilgamesh]

Gilgamesh, would you be so kind and write your top 5 CW ATG list ?

1. Evander Holyfield
2. James Toney
3. Marco Huck
4. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
5. Vassily Jirov

Gilgamesh, I agree with you about #1. Neglect Usyk this time, but where is David Haye ? Please, do not understand this personally, but any list without David Haye is very questionable.

He's #6

[ValMar]

1. Evander Holyfield
2. James Toney
3. Marco Huck
4. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
5. Vassily Jirov

Gilgamesh, I agree with you about #1. Neglect Usyk this time, but where is David Haye ? Please, do not understand this personally, but any list without David Haye is very questionable.

He's #6

No, he is #2, definitely.

[Horse]

David Haye's top 5 cruiserweight wins:

Jean Marc Mormeck
Enzo Maccarinelli
Giacobbe Fragomeni
Alexander Gurov
Vincenzo Rossitto


He's hardly got the No. 2 spot nailed down.

[ValMar]

David Haye's top 5 cruiserweight wins:

Jean Marc Mormeck
Enzo Maccarinelli
Giacobbe Fragomeni
Alexander Gurov
Vincenzo Rossitto


He's hardly got the No. 2 spot nailed down.

As I know (although i am not sure 100 %) he did not duck anyone being at CW.

[Horse]

As I know (although i am not sure 100 %) he did not duck anyone being at CW.

He ducked Cunningham.

[crusader]

There are a few guys in the tournament who can surpass Haye's resume if they win the whole thing.

[Horse]

There are a few guys in the tournament who can surpass Haye's resume if they win the whole thing.

Has the full line up been decided now?

[crusader]

One spot left

Usyk
Briedis
Gassiev
Huck
Wlod
Dorticos
Kud

[Ossyrules]

The best cruisers move up, but if someone was a career cruiser, there cruiser may be more impressive, even though they could be the inferior fighter

If that makes sense

[ValMar]

The best cruisers move up, but if someone was a career cruiser, there cruiser may be more impressive, even though they could be the inferior fighter

If that makes sense

Adamek and Cunningham were decent CWs, but at HW they have been exposed.

[ValMar]

As I know (although i am not sure 100 %) he did not duck anyone being at CW.

He ducked Cunningham.

You could be right, I can not remember......

[Ossyrules]

The best cruisers move up, but if someone was a career cruiser, there cruiser may be more impressive, even though they could be the inferior fighter

If that makes sense

Adamek and Cunningham were decent CWs, but at HW they have been exposed.

My point is basically

Jonny Nelsons cruiser career is a record number of defences etc, but he openly admitted he wanted no part of the heavyweight scene, i.e. Facing Lennox Lewis

David haye had far fewer fights and moved on. However despite a brief cruiser career, he is still be far the better man at cruiserweight still

[SaadOffTheDeck]

At this point, he might not be in the top 30.

[ValMar]

At this point, he might not be in the top 30.

I mean at CW, not p4p.........

[SaadOffTheDeck]

At this point, he might not be in the top 30.

I mean at CW, not p4p.........

I know. P4P he wouldn't be top 1,000.

[Lackeos]

You f*cking people can't wait to start talking about people's standing in the all time rankings. Let them have a career in their own time first for f*cks sake. Usyk's barely even started. His all time ranking doesn't mean d*ck at the moment, he still needs to establish how good he is or isn't in the here and now.

IMO, Buatsi is a LHW ATG. He just didn't prove it yet.

I can't believe you just said this sh*t. Never say something this stupid again.