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gilgamesh wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:The real problem is the lack of draws.

The notion of a tie is so bothersome to men that we've created a stupid scoring system to justify indistingusibale efforts.

Manny and Horn was a draw.
Ward/Kovalev was a draw.
Fight again and the winner gets credit for both.

But no, I wanna cry robbery because I had the fight 8-4.
Because there's no way unbiased/perfect me could be wrong about 2 or 3 rounds.

That's right. No way I could be wrong about 3 rounds. You could have a reasonable disagreement with me on 2 of 'em. I'll give you that much.

2 but not 3 ...

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:The real problem is the lack of draws.

The notion of a tie is so bothersome to men that we've created a stupid scoring system to justify indistingusibale efforts.

Manny and Horn was a draw.
Ward/Kovalev was a draw.
Fight again and the winner gets credit for both.

But no, I wanna cry robbery because I had the fight 8-4.
Because there's no way unbiased/perfect me could be wrong about 2 or 3 rounds.

That's right. No way I could be wrong about 3 rounds. You could have a reasonable disagreement with me on 2 of 'em. I'll give you that much.

2 but not 3 ...

That's right. I actually know what the f*ck I'm talking when I score a fight, that's why I'm TTR's RBR Expert.

If you want to disagree with me by 2 points or so, ok that's reasonable. Jeff Horn didn't win the f*cking fight, and that's all there is to it. You can bitch and moan all you want, but he didn't win the fight.

gilgamesh wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
That's right. No way I could be wrong about 3 rounds. You could have a reasonable disagreement with me on 2 of 'em. I'll give you that much.

2 but not 3 ...

That's right. I actually know what the f*ck I'm talking when I score a fight, that's why I'm TTR's RBR Expert.

If you want to disagree with me by 2 points or so, ok that's reasonable. Jeff Horn didn't win the f*cking fight, and that's all there is to it. You can bitch and moan all you want, but he didn't win the fight.

Me bitch and moan? I'm saying it was close, do it again.

Sorry, didn't know you were an experts.
We all know experts are never wrong.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: 2 but not 3 ...

That's right. I actually know what the f*ck I'm talking when I score a fight, that's why I'm TTR's RBR Expert.

If you want to disagree with me by 2 points or so, ok that's reasonable. Jeff Horn didn't win the f*cking fight, and that's all there is to it. You can bitch and moan all you want, but he didn't win the fight.

Me bitch and moan? I'm saying it was close, do it again.

Sorry, didn't know you were an experts.
We all know experts are never wrong.

I might be wrong predicting 'em sometimes, but I'm never wrong scoring 'em. If I have it within a 3 point margin I consider that close enough that it could go either way. I had it by a 4 point margin though. Which I consider "close, but clear"

The point margin shouldn't play into it. It's about how many close rounds there were. I honestly thought Spence/brook could have been 6-0 either way before Errol took over.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The point margin shouldn't play into it. It's about how many close rounds there were. I honestly thought Spence/brook could have been 6-0 either way before Errol took over.

I factor that in too.

I usually try to put an asterix next to rounds I consider to be swing rounds.

gilgamesh wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
That's right. I actually know what the f*ck I'm talking when I score a fight, that's why I'm TTR's RBR Expert.

If you want to disagree with me by 2 points or so, ok that's reasonable. Jeff Horn didn't win the f*cking fight, and that's all there is to it. You can bitch and moan all you want, but he didn't win the fight.

Me bitch and moan? I'm saying it was close, do it again.

Sorry, didn't know you were an experts.
We all know experts are never wrong.

I might be wrong predicting 'em sometimes, but I'm never wrong scoring 'em. If I have it within a 3 point margin I consider that close enough that it could go either way. I had it by a 4 point margin though. Which I consider "close, but clear"

Honestly, gil, your arrogance combined with your obliviousness is bordering on astonishing. As a child, did you play T-ball where you were never allowed to lose, or for that matter strike out?

This is subjective, man. A lot of people who have watched boxing for a very long time disagree with our opinions. That is all we have is an opinion that has no bearing on the opinions that actually decided the fight.

Horn got the W. It was not a robbery.

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Me bitch and moan? I'm saying it was close, do it again.

Sorry, didn't know you were an experts.
We all know experts are never wrong.

I might be wrong predicting 'em sometimes, but I'm never wrong scoring 'em. If I have it within a 3 point margin I consider that close enough that it could go either way. I had it by a 4 point margin though. Which I consider "close, but clear"

Honestly, gil, your arrogance combined with your obliviousness is bordering on astonishing. As a child, did you play T-ball where you were never allowed to lose, or for that matter strike out?

This is subjective, man. A lot of people who have watched boxing for a very long time disagree with our opinions. That is all we have is an opinion that has no bearing on the opinions that actually decided the fight.

Horn got the W. It was not a robbery.

I've said all I have to say on it anyway. Tired of running over the same old ground.

I'm arrogant when it comes to Boxing because I follow it as close as ANYBODY IN THE WORLD. I know my sh*t when it comes to Boxing and I can hold my own in any conversation about any subject in the sport with anybody. I've earned the right to be arrogant when it comes to Boxing. It's my life.

I don't get it . . . what did Manny do? Horn made the fight his fight almost the entire night. Manny's reflexes were crap; Horn's reach and footwork (which I was impressed by) ensured that Manny barely ever landed any offensive shots save some body work. All Manny could do is try to counter Horn's aggressiveness, and most of his counters were wild misses.

And I'm a fan who LOVES me some good counter-punching and slick technical fighting. I'm not a fan of ineffective, plodding aggression. But Horn's aggression WAS effective for the most part last night. Even if he didn't land tons of flush shots (neither man did), he was setting the temp and forcing Manny to react to him.

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I might be wrong predicting 'em sometimes, but I'm never wrong scoring 'em. If I have it within a 3 point margin I consider that close enough that it could go either way. I had it by a 4 point margin though. Which I consider "close, but clear"

Honestly, gil, your arrogance combined with your obliviousness is bordering on astonishing. As a child, did you play T-ball where you were never allowed to lose, or for that matter strike out?

This is subjective, man. A lot of people who have watched boxing for a very long time disagree with our opinions. That is all we have is an opinion that has no bearing on the opinions that actually decided the fight.

Horn got the W. It was not a robbery.

I've said all I have to say on it anyway. Tired of running over the same old ground.

I'm arrogant when it comes to Boxing because I follow it as close as ANYBODY IN THE WORLD. I know my sh*t when it comes to Boxing and I can hold my own in any conversation about any subject in the sport with anybody. I've earned the right to be arrogant when it comes to Boxing. It's my life.

If you are going to make a proclamation that you are right and everyone that disagrees with you is wrong then you best come to the table with specifics to prove your point besides your self coronation as the world's greatest RBR expert.

These fights are not decided based on your subjective perspective. Not one outcome is being changed because you have proclaimed injustice.

Honestly, your attitude about this subject is a microcosm of the national lack of an ability to empathize and / or negotiate mutually beneficial outcomes politically.

Really breathtaking stuff.

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Honestly, gil, your arrogance combined with your obliviousness is bordering on astonishing. As a child, did you play T-ball where you were never allowed to lose, or for that matter strike out?

This is subjective, man. A lot of people who have watched boxing for a very long time disagree with our opinions. That is all we have is an opinion that has no bearing on the opinions that actually decided the fight.

Horn got the W. It was not a robbery.

I've said all I have to say on it anyway. Tired of running over the same old ground.

I'm arrogant when it comes to Boxing because I follow it as close as ANYBODY IN THE WORLD. I know my sh*t when it comes to Boxing and I can hold my own in any conversation about any subject in the sport with anybody. I've earned the right to be arrogant when it comes to Boxing. It's my life.

If you are going to make a proclamation that you are right and everyone that disagrees with you is wrong then you best come to the table with specifics to prove your point besides your self coronation as the world's greatest RBR expert.

These fights are not decided based on your subjective perspective. Not one outcome is being changed because you have proclaimed injustice.

Honestly, your attitude about this subject is a microcosm of the national lack of an ability to empathize and / or negotiate mutually beneficial outcomes politically.

Really breathtaking stuff.

I can't stand our President and am greatly annoyed with the Political situation in my country. I didn't say my decision was changing any outcomes. I've seen far worse robberies than Pacquiao vs Horn and they still stand, but just because you've seen worse doesn't mean you should let one slide.

In this particular instance yes I am right, and everyone that disagrees with me is wrong. Not because I can't be wrong, but because I f*cking know Boxing and I know what happened last night.

I know what I know. I'll sing what I said. We come and we go. That's a thing that I keep in the back of my head.

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I've said all I have to say on it anyway. Tired of running over the same old ground.

I'm arrogant when it comes to Boxing because I follow it as close as ANYBODY IN THE WORLD. I know my sh*t when it comes to Boxing and I can hold my own in any conversation about any subject in the sport with anybody. I've earned the right to be arrogant when it comes to Boxing. It's my life.

If you are going to make a proclamation that you are right and everyone that disagrees with you is wrong then you best come to the table with specifics to prove your point besides your self coronation as the world's greatest RBR expert.

These fights are not decided based on your subjective perspective. Not one outcome is being changed because you have proclaimed injustice.

Honestly, your attitude about this subject is a microcosm of the national lack of an ability to empathize and / or negotiate mutually beneficial outcomes politically.

Really breathtaking stuff.

I can't stand our President and am greatly annoyed with the Political situation in my country. I didn't say my decision was changing any outcomes. I've seen far worse robberies than Pacquiao vs Horn and they still stand, but just because you've seen worse doesn't mean you should let one slide.

In this particular instance yes I am right, and everyone that disagrees with me is wrong. Not because I can't be wrong, but because I f*cking know Boxing and I know what happened last night.

I know what I know. I'll sing what I said. We come and we go. That's a thing that I keep in the back of my head.

It is all good, gil. Have a great evening.

thunderfromdownunder wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:I thought Horn won fairly clearly. Manny was missing and barely landing clean shots the whole night. He won clearly 3-4 rounds tops. Horn out worked him and in most rounds landed the cleaner shots. Those punch stats were bogus, and a lot of Manny ' s connects were off balance pitter pat counters.

Pacquiao is done as a top p4p fighter. He's simply "moonlighting" as a fighter now as Big George used to say.

Same. Don't get all the fuss. I noticed it's up on YouTube already so I'll give it another each during the week to see if I feel the same after a second time

I'll do this to and watch it next weekend. I can keep an open mind. But what I saw was Horn completely outworking a lifeless Manny who had a couple of big rounds. Horn was sloppy, missed punches but he got in enough. Manny didnt make him miss and pay, he's no mayweather with a slick defence. He was pushed back and worked over time and time again. Will beat Skill. But Manny doesnt have much left in the skill department anymore as his speed, volume and power assets have deterroriated.

I'll tell you what...I don't think that anyone told Manny that this was a real fight. I think that he was blinded by the "oh shucks" school teaching nice guy looks to think that Horn would ever be anywhere near as tough and gritty as he was last night. I hope that Conor was watching this fight because he needs to copy Horn's aggression and disregard for who he was in there with. Horn wasn't there to get an autograph, he was there to either win or wake up a couple of days later wrapped in white linens.

I do feel that Manny won the fight technically with my initial scorecard but I really don't think it's a robbery of any kind. This was NO Timothy Bradley robbing. The commentators talked about it and they were right...this was Rocky in real life. This was supposed to be Manny's first KO in 8 years and world tour swan song. He was no where close to being ready to be in that kind of scrap last night nor do i think that he knew how much heavier and stronger Horn would be come fight night.

Everyone scratched their heads as to why they signed this fight. Manny tried to find someone better to fight even after it was signed...while Manny was looking for a better opponent to fight, Horn was training for Manny. I"m a Manny guy and I'm ok with the decision.

dempseyfire wrote:I don't get it . . . what did Manny do? Horn made the fight his fight almost the entire night. Manny's reflexes were crap; Horn's reach and footwork (which I was impressed by) ensured that Manny barely ever landed any offensive shots save some body work. All Manny could do is try to counter Horn's aggressiveness, and most of his counters were wild misses.

And I'm a fan who LOVES me some good counter-punching and slick technical fighting. I'm not a fan of ineffective, plodding aggression. But Horn's aggression WAS effective for the most part last night. Even if he didn't land tons of flush shots (neither man did), he was setting the temp and forcing Manny to react to him.

I agree with this and am a little suprised at the vehement responses to Horn getting the nod.

I thought it was fairly obvious, in the early rounds, that Horn was executing a game plan quite successfully, while Manny, quite honestly didnt look prepared at all.

It was an awkward, tough scrap. Honestly you'd think Pac put on a clinic with such heated opposition of the result.

gilgamesh wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
That's right. No way I could be wrong about 3 rounds. You could have a reasonable disagreement with me on 2 of 'em. I'll give you that much.

2 but not 3 ...

That's right. I actually know what the f*ck I'm talking when I score a fight, that's why I'm TTR's RBR Expert.

If you want to disagree with me by 2 points or so, ok that's reasonable. Jeff Horn didn't win the f*cking fight, and that's all there is to it. You can bitch and moan all you want, but he didn't win the fight.

you seem to be the one bitching and moaning - and wake up call. Jeff won the fight

"British boxing writer Steve Bunce shared Dahlberg’s view.
“At the final bell Pacquiao looked like a beaten man and he was: one crazy score of 117-111 for Horn was way off, but the other two judges delivered identical and correct scores of 115-113,” Bunce wrote for ESPN.
“Horn had beaten the legend, won the belt and somehow found himself at the very centre of a spectacular debate about the scoring. The outrage from people in the boxing business who should know better was close to pantomime at times.
“Horn deserved his win, Pacquiao looked utterly dreadful for six rounds and hopefully the Australian will get the recognition he deserves — after everybody stops screaming hysterics about a robbery.”

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I've said all I have to say on it anyway. Tired of running over the same old ground.

I'm arrogant when it comes to Boxing because I follow it as close as ANYBODY IN THE WORLD. I know my sh*t when it comes to Boxing and I can hold my own in any conversation about any subject in the sport with anybody. I've earned the right to be arrogant when it comes to Boxing. It's my life.

If you are going to make a proclamation that you are right and everyone that disagrees with you is wrong then you best come to the table with specifics to prove your point besides your self coronation as the world's greatest RBR expert.

These fights are not decided based on your subjective perspective. Not one outcome is being changed because you have proclaimed injustice.

Honestly, your attitude about this subject is a microcosm of the national lack of an ability to empathize and / or negotiate mutually beneficial outcomes politically.

Really breathtaking stuff.

I can't stand our President and am greatly annoyed with the Political situation in my country. I didn't say my decision was changing any outcomes. I've seen far worse robberies than Pacquiao vs Horn and they still stand, but just because you've seen worse doesn't mean you should let one slide.

In this particular instance yes I am right, and everyone that disagrees with me is wrong. Not because I can't be wrong, but because I f*cking know Boxing and I know what happened last night.

I know what I know. I'll sing what I said. We come and we go. That's a thing that I keep in the back of my head.

Wow. Your ego is way out of control. You should work for ESPN.

lazboy wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote: If you are going to make a proclamation that you are right and everyone that disagrees with you is wrong then you best come to the table with specifics to prove your point besides your self coronation as the world's greatest RBR expert.

These fights are not decided based on your subjective perspective. Not one outcome is being changed because you have proclaimed injustice.

Honestly, your attitude about this subject is a microcosm of the national lack of an ability to empathize and / or negotiate mutually beneficial outcomes politically.

Really breathtaking stuff.

I can't stand our President and am greatly annoyed with the Political situation in my country. I didn't say my decision was changing any outcomes. I've seen far worse robberies than Pacquiao vs Horn and they still stand, but just because you've seen worse doesn't mean you should let one slide.

In this particular instance yes I am right, and everyone that disagrees with me is wrong. Not because I can't be wrong, but because I f*cking know Boxing and I know what happened last night.

I know what I know. I'll sing what I said. We come and we go. That's a thing that I keep in the back of my head.

Wow. Your ego is way out of control. You should work for ESPN.

Would you just sit there and nod in agreement if somebody tried to tell you the sky was pink? What's egotistical about calling bullsh*t on something when you see it?

It's a controversial decision. Not the first one, won't be the last. It's just annoying that every time this happens now there's a smattering of fans that are actually fooled and actually agree with the bullsh*t verdict.

gilgamesh wrote:

lazboy wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I can't stand our President and am greatly annoyed with the Political situation in my country. I didn't say my decision was changing any outcomes. I've seen far worse robberies than Pacquiao vs Horn and they still stand, but just because you've seen worse doesn't mean you should let one slide.

In this particular instance yes I am right, and everyone that disagrees with me is wrong. Not because I can't be wrong, but because I f*cking know Boxing and I know what happened last night.

I know what I know. I'll sing what I said. We come and we go. That's a thing that I keep in the back of my head.

Wow. Your ego is way out of control. You should work for ESPN.

Would you just sit there and nod in agreement if somebody tried to tell you the sky was pink? What's egotistical about calling bullsh*t on something when you see it?

It's a controversial decision. Not the first one, won't be the last. It's just annoying that every time this happens now there's a smattering of fans that are actually fooled and actually agree with the bullsh*t verdict.

You think its bullshit, so do others but it's not fact, boxing is subjective, its hard to quantitate unlike sky colour. You have an opinion that you are trying to force, thats why you created the thread, Manny Pac robbed again, not Manny Pac robbed again with a question mark. I saw the fight a different way and that doesnt make me stupid or wrong like you are saying. I'm so surprised at all of this, I just listened to the first couple minutes of a boxing podcast the gruelling truth. The first bloke that spoke completly agrees with you, calling it a flat out robbery. I'm going to rewatch the fight fully..in time, because I have an open mind. But what exactly do you think Manny did. Did you score the punches that went through his block. Not sure if you have ever boxed but blocking is not as effective as some think. Getting punched while you have your hands glued to your head, it still can hurt, obviously its not a clean blow, but that power can still find it way through to your head, thats how mannys defence was, just a blocker. His head movement was minimal. Horn was getting through to him, just not as pretty as some would like it but it was enough and far more than what Pac was doing. We have been spoilt by the Mayweather era of defence and punch cleanliness.

lazboy wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

lazboy wrote:
Wow. Your ego is way out of control. You should work for ESPN.

Would you just sit there and nod in agreement if somebody tried to tell you the sky was pink? What's egotistical about calling bullsh*t on something when you see it?

It's a controversial decision. Not the first one, won't be the last. It's just annoying that every time this happens now there's a smattering of fans that are actually fooled and actually agree with the bullsh*t verdict.

You think its bullshit, so do others but it's not fact, boxing is subjective, its hard to quantitate unlike sky colour. You have an opinion that you are trying to force, thats why you created the thread, Manny Pac robbed again, not Manny Pac robbed again with a question mark. I saw the fight a different way and that doesnt make me stupid or wrong like you are saying. I'm so surprised at all of this, I just listened to the first couple minutes of a boxing podcast the gruelling truth. The first bloke that spoke completly agrees with you, calling it a flat out robbery. I'm going to rewatch the fight fully..in time, because I have an open mind. But what exactly do you think Manny did. Did you score the punches that went through his block. Not sure if you have ever boxed but blocking is not as effective as some think. Getting punched while you have your hands glued to your head, it still can hurt, obviously its not a clean blow, but that power can still find it way through to your head, thats how mannys defence was, just a blocker. His head movement was minimal. Horn was getting through to him, just not as pretty as some would like it but it was enough and far more than what Pac was doing. We have been spoilt by the Mayweather era of defence and punch cleanliness.

Yes I've boxed. The reason why I'm so vocal about bad decisions is because as time goes on. The record stands. Years from now people aren't gonna take the time to look back on these fights, they're just gonna look at a sheet of paper and see that Jeff Horn beat Manny Pacquiao...well that's bullsh*t. Somebody's gotta be around to tell the true story of what happened in a fight. I don't feel like talking about it anymore right now because I've said all there is to say about it, but just like JLC vs Mayweather 1 or Chavez vs Pernell Whitaker or any other numerous examples of robberies in Boxing you can think of. I feel it's important to mention what REALLY happened in these fights, because the real winner deserves the acknowledgement of his achievement.

From a monetary and career standpoint. Ironically. This is probably the best thing that could happen to Pacquiao. Now he's got 2 more fights with Horn waiting for him if he wants them (assuming he could win the 2nd one) and he doesn't have to hear talk of Crawford and Thurman anymore because nobody really thinks he has a prayer against those guys anymore.

gilgamesh wrote:

lazboy wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Would you just sit there and nod in agreement if somebody tried to tell you the sky was pink? What's egotistical about calling bullsh*t on something when you see it?

It's a controversial decision. Not the first one, won't be the last. It's just annoying that every time this happens now there's a smattering of fans that are actually fooled and actually agree with the bullsh*t verdict.

You think its bullshit, so do others but it's not fact, boxing is subjective, its hard to quantitate unlike sky colour. You have an opinion that you are trying to force, thats why you created the thread, Manny Pac robbed again, not Manny Pac robbed again with a question mark. I saw the fight a different way and that doesnt make me stupid or wrong like you are saying. I'm so surprised at all of this, I just listened to the first couple minutes of a boxing podcast the gruelling truth. The first bloke that spoke completly agrees with you, calling it a flat out robbery. I'm going to rewatch the fight fully..in time, because I have an open mind. But what exactly do you think Manny did. Did you score the punches that went through his block. Not sure if you have ever boxed but blocking is not as effective as some think. Getting punched while you have your hands glued to your head, it still can hurt, obviously its not a clean blow, but that power can still find it way through to your head, thats how mannys defence was, just a blocker. His head movement was minimal. Horn was getting through to him, just not as pretty as some would like it but it was enough and far more than what Pac was doing. We have been spoilt by the Mayweather era of defence and punch cleanliness.

Yes I've boxed. The reason why I'm so vocal about bad decisions is because as time goes on. The record stands. Years from now people aren't gonna take the time to look back on these fights, they're just gonna look at a sheet of paper and see that Jeff Horn beat Manny Pacquiao...well that's bullsh*t. Somebody's gotta be around to tell the true story of what happened in a fight. I don't feel like talking about it anymore right now because I've said all there is to say about it, but just like JLC vs Mayweather 1 or Chavez vs Pernell Whitaker or any other numerous examples of robberies in Boxing you can think of. I feel it's important to mention what REALLY happened in these fights, because the real winner deserves the acknowledgement of his achievement.

From a monetary and career standpoint. Ironically. This is probably the best thing that could happen to Pacquiao. Now he's got 2 more fights with Horn waiting for him if he wants them (assuming he could win the 2nd one) and he doesn't have to hear talk of Crawford and Thurman anymore because nobody really thinks he has a prayer against those guys anymore.

Good that you are passionate about the sport and about your own opinion. Fair enough, I'll leave this to and won't say more.

gilgamesh wrote: Years from now people aren't gonna take the time to look back on these fights, they're just gonna look at a sheet of paper and see that Jeff Horn beat Manny Pacquiao.

Because he did.
Get off Manny's dick.
Close fight that went Horn's way.
It be like that sometimes.

If your card looked like Atlas,
then your commentary on this fight
is probably as biased and shitty as his was.
So why should we listen?

Thing is, his bias is economic. ESPN/HBO PPV.
Hey, did some of you bet big on Manny?

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote: Years from now people aren't gonna take the time to look back on these fights, they're just gonna look at a sheet of paper and see that Jeff Horn beat Manny Pacquiao.

Because he did.
Get off Manny's dick.
Close fight that went Horn's way.
It be like that sometimes.

If your card looked like Atlas,
then your commentary on this fight
is probably as biased and shitty as his was.
So why should we listen?

Thing is, his bias is economic. ESPN/HBO PPV.
Hey, did some of you bet big on Manny?

It's funny that scoring a fight for somebody that deserved it means you're "on their dick" according to dumbasses like you.

"What are you gonna wake up and go to work tomorrow...on time? Get off your bosses dick bro"

That's about how much sense that makes

Anyway...enjoy being wrong and proud of it. I'll keep knowing more about boxing than you

Tinnie wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:I don't get it . . . what did Manny do? Horn made the fight his fight almost the entire night. Manny's reflexes were crap; Horn's reach and footwork (which I was impressed by) ensured that Manny barely ever landed any offensive shots save some body work. All Manny could do is try to counter Horn's aggressiveness, and most of his counters were wild misses.

And I'm a fan who LOVES me some good counter-punching and slick technical fighting. I'm not a fan of ineffective, plodding aggression. But Horn's aggression WAS effective for the most part last night. Even if he didn't land tons of flush shots (neither man did), he was setting the temp and forcing Manny to react to him.

I agree with this and am a little suprised at the vehement responses to Horn getting the nod.

I thought it was fairly obvious, in the early rounds, that Horn was executing a game plan quite successfully, while Manny, quite honestly didnt look prepared at all.

It was an awkward, tough scrap. Honestly you'd think Pac put on a clinic with such heated opposition of the result.

Glad others saw what I did. I've never seen such outrage over what I thought was a pretty straightforward decision

IronFrost wrote:Horn was landing harder shots , did more action and deserved that fight much more than Manny.


I do not get how biased Teddy Atlas gave 6th round to MANNY? It was totaly biased and commentators were rooting for their idol and legend.

He was not good enough today and Horn was BETTER.

Told you this was Brut after his first post