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I thought Negron looked pretty good last week. I'd have him and Chisora in there. probably replacing Rivas & Bryan. Very solid top 20, though. Certainly the best one in the thread.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:You have Tony Yoka and Daniel Dubois Top 20 already?

Hughie #5?

Oh well, I was surprised people had Stiverne in their top 100.

The fact that there's not 100 Heavyweights better than Stiverne probably has a lot do with that.

The current rank 100 heavyweight is "Iago Kiladze" TBH I've never heard of this guy, which is surprising, untill you notice it's actually a cruiserweight who recently became fat. And TBH I think this guy, purely based on his stats, actually has a really fair chance to beat Stiverne.
Also note that inactive guys, like Briggs, Tyson Fury (who's my rank 2 when in shape, but inactive), Billy Wright and Vyacheslav Glazkov are currently not ranked. And don't forget about the top cruiserweights either, we've seen what happened to Daffy Duck against Tony Bellew.


And I also think that Stiverne has absolutely no chance against guys like Rostislav Plechko for example.

If I really try I think I can name over a 100 guys who can beat Stiverne.

How many of them would be named Spong, 50?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I thought Negron looked pretty good last week. I'd have him and Chisora in there. probably replacing Rivas & Bryan. Very solid top 20, though. Certainly the best one in the thread.

I didn't get a chance to see Negron's performance. I'll try to catch it on Youtube later on if it's up. I could see him joining my rankings based off of that win though and all the good things I've heard about it.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Oh well, I was surprised people had Stiverne in their top 100.

The fact that there's not 100 Heavyweights better than Stiverne probably has a lot do with that.

The current rank 100 heavyweight is "Iago Kiladze" TBH I've never heard of this guy, which is surprising, untill you notice it's actually a cruiserweight who recently became fat. And TBH I think this guy, purely based on his stats, actually has a really fair chance to beat Stiverne.
Also note that inactive guys, like Briggs, Tyson Fury (who's my rank 2 when in shape, but inactive), Billy Wright and Vyacheslav Glazkov are currently not ranked. And don't forget about the top cruiserweights either, we've seen what happened to Daffy Duck against Tony Bellew.


And I also think that Stiverne has absolutely no chance against guys like Rostislav Plechko for example.

If I really try I think I can name over a 100 guys who can beat Stiverne.

You are that guy from youtube who had Tyson Fury ranked number 15 before he schooled Wladimir. Now for some odd reason you have Hughie ranked number ranked five? Are you on drugs or only troll ?:D

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Oh well, I was surprised people had Stiverne in their top 100.

The fact that there's not 100 Heavyweights better than Stiverne probably has a lot do with that.

The current rank 100 heavyweight is "Iago Kiladze" TBH I've never heard of this guy, which is surprising, untill you notice it's actually a cruiserweight who recently became fat. And TBH I think this guy, purely based on his stats, actually has a really fair chance to beat Stiverne.
Also note that inactive guys, like Briggs, Tyson Fury (who's my rank 2 when in shape, but inactive), Billy Wright and Vyacheslav Glazkov are currently not ranked. And don't forget about the top cruiserweights either, we've seen what happened to Daffy Duck against Tony Bellew.

Shannon Briggs hasn't been in my Top 30 in YEARS!

Tyson Fury would rejoin the Top 10 with a comeback win, but until he's an active fighter again he's gone. Glazkov probably won't be rejoining my Top 20 anytime soon unless he earns it.

Billy Wright...who?

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Chisora hasn't been in my Top 20 in quite a while. Whyte was already in my Top 15-20 somewhere. Beating Chisora advanced Whyte's career, losing to Whyte did not advance Chisora's career....hope this helps.

As I said, the fight was razor close where Whyte didn't show at all that he was on a different level to Chisora. Ranking them leagues apart is totally wrong here, especially since this division doesn't really have dudes with stand-out resumes.

Also, I think it's ridiculous not having Chisora in the top 20. Would you really favor Hammer over Chisora because I sure wouldn't. That's why there is a level of skill to the rankings as well.

Doesn't matter who I think would win between Chisora and Hammer. Guys don't get ranked based on who I think would beat who, they get ranked based on who they HAVE beaten, and where that currently sees them in the division.

There are guys not in my Top 20 that I feel confident could kick the asses of guys in my Top 20, but until they do it, they don't take their spot.

Having Ruiz Jr. in your top 10 says otherwise.

Counter-puncher wrote:How many of them would be named Spong, 50?

I'm serious, just scroll a bit through this fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZiRI2tAes&t=2520s

Ray Austin schooled him easely by most of the fight and remember that this was over 5 years ago in Stiverne his prime! Stiverne only got older and older ever since and who are we talking about? Ray Austin! !?

Well I'm sorry, but I really don't think Stiverne belongs in the top 100 any more. He has had a lot of luck in his carreer and he isn't the only one, but that doesn't mean he's any good.

asdfjkl wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:How many of them would be named Spong, 50?

I'm serious, just scroll a bit through this fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZiRI2tAes&t=2520s

Ray Austin schooled him easely by most of the fight and remember that this was over 5 years ago in Stiverne his prime! Stiverne only got older and older ever since and who are we talking about? Ray Austin! !?

Well I'm sorry, but I really don't think Stiverne belongs in the top 100 any more. He has had a lot of luck in his carreer and he isn't the only one, but that doesn't mean he's any good.

Aerola was one of the better names on Vitali's pathetic resume and Stiverne atleast KTFO him unlike Vitali

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: As I said, the fight was razor close where Whyte didn't show at all that he was on a different level to Chisora. Ranking them leagues apart is totally wrong here, especially since this division doesn't really have dudes with stand-out resumes.

Also, I think it's ridiculous not having Chisora in the top 20. Would you really favor Hammer over Chisora because I sure wouldn't. That's why there is a level of skill to the rankings as well.

Doesn't matter who I think would win between Chisora and Hammer. Guys don't get ranked based on who I think would beat who, they get ranked based on who they HAVE beaten, and where that currently sees them in the division.

There are guys not in my Top 20 that I feel confident could kick the asses of guys in my Top 20, but until they do it, they don't take their spot.

Having Ruiz Jr. in your top 10 says otherwise.

Ruiz Jr. is in the Top 10 because of how close he held Parker in their fight. Ruiz Jr. was previously unbeaten going into that fight. Chisora I've nicknamed "Loser to the Stars" because that's what he is. He beats decent mid-level guys, and loses to names. He's not Top 20 to me at the moment, if you think he is fine. I don't really give a sh*t.

asdfjkl wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:How many of them would be named Spong, 50?

I'm serious, just scroll a bit through this fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZiRI2tAes&t=2520s

Ray Austin schooled him easely by most of the fight and remember that this was over 5 years ago in Stiverne his prime! Stiverne only got older and older ever since and who are we talking about? Ray Austin! !?

Well I'm sorry, but I really don't think Stiverne belongs in the top 100 any more. He has had a lot of luck in his carreer and he isn't the only one, but that doesn't mean he's any good.

So is this a standard move on your part? You rank guys based on what they did 5 years ago? No wonder your rankings are off.

Who said Stiverne is good? Outside of the very top guy 2 or 3 guys, the Heavyweights in general have been mediocre as sh*t for like 2 decades now. Skill-wise the guy ranked #130 at Welterweight is probably every bit as technically refined as some of the Top 10 Heavies.

Stiverne sucks. The rest of the division just sucks bad enough that they can't clearly establish that they're better than him.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Doesn't matter who I think would win between Chisora and Hammer. Guys don't get ranked based on who I think would beat who, they get ranked based on who they HAVE beaten, and where that currently sees them in the division.

There are guys not in my Top 20 that I feel confident could kick the asses of guys in my Top 20, but until they do it, they don't take their spot.

Having Ruiz Jr. in your top 10 says otherwise.

Ruiz Jr. is in the Top 10 because of how close he held Parker in their fight. Ruiz Jr. was previously unbeaten going into that fight. Chisora I've nicknamed "Loser to the Stars" because that's what he is. He beats decent mid-level guys, and loses to names. He's not Top 20 to me at the moment, if you think he is fine. I don't really give a sh*t.

As I said, you don't even follow your own standards. That's the reason why I would put Chisora next to Whyte too and why you are wrong not doing the same. I'm tired of this conversation, and I'm moving on.

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Having Ruiz Jr. in your top 10 says otherwise.

Ruiz Jr. is in the Top 10 because of how close he held Parker in their fight. Ruiz Jr. was previously unbeaten going into that fight. Chisora I've nicknamed "Loser to the Stars" because that's what he is. He beats decent mid-level guys, and loses to names. He's not Top 20 to me at the moment, if you think he is fine. I don't really give a sh*t.

As I said, you don't even follow your own standards. That's the reason why I would put Chisora next to Whyte too and why you are wrong not doing the same. I'm tired of this conversation, and I'm moving on.

Good I'm tired of it too. I have an answer for every little gripe you want to give me. If you don't like my answers that's fine, but you got one.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I thought Negron looked pretty good last week. I'd have him and Chisora in there. probably replacing Rivas & Bryan. Very solid top 20, though. Certainly the best one in the thread.

The guy that hasn't contributed anything to this conversation and has never said anything intelligent in his posting history comes here and judges top 20 lists. You think your opinion matters.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
The fact that there's not 100 Heavyweights better than Stiverne probably has a lot do with that.

The current rank 100 heavyweight is "Iago Kiladze" TBH I've never heard of this guy, which is surprising, untill you notice it's actually a cruiserweight who recently became fat. And TBH I think this guy, purely based on his stats, actually has a really fair chance to beat Stiverne.
Also note that inactive guys, like Briggs, Tyson Fury (who's my rank 2 when in shape, but inactive), Billy Wright and Vyacheslav Glazkov are currently not ranked. And don't forget about the top cruiserweights either, we've seen what happened to Daffy Duck against Tony Bellew.

Shannon Briggs hasn't been in my Top 30 in YEARS!

Tyson Fury would rejoin the Top 10 with a comeback win, but until he's an active fighter again he's gone. Glazkov probably won't be rejoining my Top 20 anytime soon unless he earns it.

Billy Wright...who?

Shannon was probably a top 30 ish boxer just two years ago, but that's not the question, I think Shannon would beat Stiverne, and still is able to be a top 100 heavyweight boxer. Glazkov probably indeed won't become a top 20, but that wasn't the question, he would win a fight against Stiverne. Billy Wright used to be rank 20 by the WBC, having several local WBC titles. I can understand it if you don't know the whole division, people also wondered who Duhaupas and Szpilka were when they fought Wilder, and when I say Jun Long Zhang people often think I'm talking about Zhilei Zhang, or Taishan Dong, thinking they know it all.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Ruiz Jr. is in the Top 10 because of how close he held Parker in their fight. Ruiz Jr. was previously unbeaten going into that fight. Chisora I've nicknamed "Loser to the Stars" because that's what he is. He beats decent mid-level guys, and loses to names. He's not Top 20 to me at the moment, if you think he is fine. I don't really give a sh*t.

As I said, you don't even follow your own standards. That's the reason why I would put Chisora next to Whyte too and why you are wrong not doing the same. I'm tired of this conversation, and I'm moving on.

Good I'm tired of it too. I have an answer for every little gripe you want to give me. If you don't like my answers that's fine, but you got one.

I got one from you, but it wasn't anything logical if you really want to come off like that.

Mexi-Box wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I thought Negron looked pretty good last week. I'd have him and Chisora in there. probably replacing Rivas & Bryan. Very solid top 20, though. Certainly the best one in the thread.

The guy that hasn't contributed anything to this conversation and has never said anything intelligent in his posting history comes here and judges top 20 lists. You think your opinion matters.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: The current rank 100 heavyweight is "Iago Kiladze" TBH I've never heard of this guy, which is surprising, untill you notice it's actually a cruiserweight who recently became fat. And TBH I think this guy, purely based on his stats, actually has a really fair chance to beat Stiverne.
Also note that inactive guys, like Briggs, Tyson Fury (who's my rank 2 when in shape, but inactive), Billy Wright and Vyacheslav Glazkov are currently not ranked. And don't forget about the top cruiserweights either, we've seen what happened to Daffy Duck against Tony Bellew.

Shannon Briggs hasn't been in my Top 30 in YEARS!

Tyson Fury would rejoin the Top 10 with a comeback win, but until he's an active fighter again he's gone. Glazkov probably won't be rejoining my Top 20 anytime soon unless he earns it.

Billy Wright...who?

Shannon was probably a top 30 ish boxer just two years ago, but that's not the question, I think Shannon would beat Stiverne, and still is able to be a top 100 heavyweight boxer. Glazkov probably indeed won't become a top 20, but that wasn't the question, he would win a fight against Stiverne. Billy Wright used to be rank 20 by the WBC, having several local WBC titles. I can understand it if you don't know the whole division, people also wondered who Duhaupas and Szpilka were when they fought Wilder, and when I say Jun Long Zhang people often think I'm talking about Zhilei Zhang, or Taishan Dong, thinking they know it all.

Briggs wouldn't even fight Stiverne. In case you haven't noticed other than Vitali...whom he lost every round to and put into the ER by...Briggs hasn't fought a Top 60 ranked Heavyweight in like 10 years.

Briggs isn't Top 40. He wasn't Top 20 when he got a shot at Vitali. He's sh*t and has been a shot fighter for over 10 years.

Stiverne would beat him comfortably. I'd pick Derric Rossy to beat Briggs.

I know all 3 Chinese Heavyweights you mention. They suck.

I knew who Szpilka and Duhaupas were well before they fought Wilder.

Parker shouldn't be above Povetkin; his resume clearly isn't as good and he looked worse last fight against Cojanu than Pov did against a better fighter in Rudenko. Ruiz may be good, but he's rated almosst entirely on giving Parker a very tough fight

I agree that Povetkin didn't look good the other day, but overall the level of his opposition through the last couple of years certainly hasn't been poor relative to who the other top guys have been fighting. He's dominated and/or KTFO most of his opponents too, and it's not like guys such as Wilder, Ortiz, and Parker haven't had iffy performances.

crusader wrote:Parker shouldn't be above Povetkin; his resume clearly isn't as good and he looked worse last fight against Cojanu than Pov did against a better fighter in Rudenko. Ruiz may be good, but he's rated almosst entirely on giving Parker a very tough fight

Parker ranks above Povetkin because he's still in play for major fights. PEDvetkin isn't gonna be getting offers for major fights ever again. He's not a relevant Heavyweight anymore really. He still has to be ranked for now based on what he's done, but he's toxic in the Boxing business now.

Povetkin was removed altogether from my rankings for a time due to his failed tests. He's back in now because he has to be, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear sometime later in the week he pissed dirty again.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Shannon Briggs hasn't been in my Top 30 in YEARS!

Tyson Fury would rejoin the Top 10 with a comeback win, but until he's an active fighter again he's gone. Glazkov probably won't be rejoining my Top 20 anytime soon unless he earns it.

Billy Wright...who?

Shannon was probably a top 30 ish boxer just two years ago, but that's not the question, I think Shannon would beat Stiverne, and still is able to be a top 100 heavyweight boxer. Glazkov probably indeed won't become a top 20, but that wasn't the question, he would win a fight against Stiverne. Billy Wright used to be rank 20 by the WBC, having several local WBC titles. I can understand it if you don't know the whole division, people also wondered who Duhaupas and Szpilka were when they fought Wilder, and when I say Jun Long Zhang people often think I'm talking about Zhilei Zhang, or Taishan Dong, thinking they know it all.

Briggs wouldn't even fight Stiverne. In case you haven't noticed other than Vitali...whom he lost every round to and put into the ER by...Briggs hasn't fought a Top 60 ranked Heavyweight in like 10 years.

Briggs isn't Top 40. He wasn't Top 20 when he got a shot at Vitali. He's sh*t and has been a shot fighter for over 10 years.

Stiverne would beat him comfortably. I'd pick Derric Rossy to beat Briggs.

I know all 3 Chinese Heavyweights you mention. They suck.

I knew who Szpilka and Duhaupas were well before they fought Wilder.

You don't know what happened with Briggs during the Vitali fight? Oké, I'll tell you, he fought Vitali for 12 rounds with one arm, so that explains why he couldn't show a good performance. Vitali himself was getting old fast indeed, but probably could still beat Stiverne.
I expect Derric Rossy to get KOed within 1 round against Briggs, even today.
And I also think Jun Long Zhang is good enough to win against Deontay Wilder.

Briggs would have to be the underdog against Rossy.

Aren't the WBA and WBO going to rank Povetkin now? If he has a ranking and brings $$ to the table, he may well still land a title fight.

He's active and has beaten relatively good opposition, so I think he should be ranked based on that rather than an assumption that he won't be landing meaningful bouts in the future.

asdfjkl wrote: You don't know what happened with Briggs during the Vitali fight? Oké, I'll tell you, he fought Vitali for 12 rounds with one arm, so that explains why he couldn't show a good performance. Vitali himself was getting old fast indeed, but probably could still beat Stiverne.
I expect Derric Rossy to get KOed within 1 round against Briggs, even today.
And I also think Jun Long Zhang is good enough to win against Deontay Wilder.

You don't know what happened with Briggs during the Vitali fight...I'll tell you

BRIGGS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of you guys and your support of Briggs is absolutely baffling. He's done literally NOTHING of relevance in this sport for almost 10 years. Beating Liakhovich in a sloppy, boring ass fight is the last noteworthy victory he's ever had...and look at the career Liakhovich had after that...what a talent he was!

Vitali could come out of retirement tomorrow and beat Stiverne. Big f*cking deal.

The truth is Briggs is such a coward these days even Derric Rossy would be too dangerous for him. He's trying to just talk his way into a money fight because he can't actually earn one because he's shot to pieces.

crusader wrote:Aren't the WBA and WBO going to rank Povetkin now? If he has a ranking and brings $$ to the table, he may well still land a title fight.

He's active and has beaten relatively good opposition, so I think he should be ranked based on that rather than an assumption that he won't be landing meaningful bouts in the future.

You think Joshua or Wilder are gonna waste their time with him again?

Maybe he wrangles himself a shot at the vacant WBA title or something (I'm sure they'll declare it vacant if they get offered enough money), but I doubt anybody else wastes their time with him. You can't even be sure a fight is going to take place.