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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
They why didn't Derric Rossy beat him?

Well, he did?! Somehow the refs gave him a decision anyway and there is no footage, which is at least very remarkeble for a mandatory fight isn't it? I mean, it's not two talents, or two bums, no it's fighting for a mandatory spot of the world WBC title! Where's the crowd? Where are the fans? Nobody with a camera out there? Can you name any fight at all, between two top 100 boxrec boxers, with no footage availeble? And it's not like, oh yea, somewhere in Africa, or Asia or whatever, no, the United States of America!
And please note that Derric Rossy isn't even ranked in the top 40 of the WBC, also note that that same Derric Rossy recently lost against a cruiserweight last week.

Ahh, the fight you admitted you've never seen.

I don't care if Stiverne beat Rossy... He didn't look good and hit the deck... He couldn't get Rossy out and hasn't fought in a very long time.

Rossy was very easily beaten up and stopped quickly a couple weeks ago by Carlos Negron -- who is no cruiserweight, but is green and not real good at the present time. I don't expect Stiverne to beat anyone good anymore. He did a great job on Arreola, who's become a wide open punching bag in recent years.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Are you crazy? Stiverne will struggle or lose against anyone in the top 100?!

They why didn't Derric Rossy beat him?

Well, he did?! Somehow the refs gave him a decision anyway and there is no footage, which is at least very remarkeble for a mandatory fight isn't it? I mean, it's not two talents, or two bums, no it's fighting for a mandatory spot of the world WBC title! Where's the crowd? Where are the fans? Nobody with a camera out there? Can you name any fight at all, between two top 100 boxrec boxers, with no footage availeble? And it's not like, oh yea, somewhere in Africa, or Asia or whatever, no, the United States of America!
And please note that Derric Rossy isn't even ranked in the top 40 of the WBC, also note that that same Derric Rossy recently lost against a cruiserweight last week.

The question is...how can you so adamantly cry robbery for a fight you say there's no footage of?

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
They why didn't Derric Rossy beat him?

Well, he did?! Somehow the refs gave him a decision anyway and there is no footage, which is at least very remarkeble for a mandatory fight isn't it? I mean, it's not two talents, or two bums, no it's fighting for a mandatory spot of the world WBC title! Where's the crowd? Where are the fans? Nobody with a camera out there? Can you name any fight at all, between two top 100 boxrec boxers, with no footage availeble? And it's not like, oh yea, somewhere in Africa, or Asia or whatever, no, the United States of America!
And please note that Derric Rossy isn't even ranked in the top 40 of the WBC, also note that that same Derric Rossy recently lost against a cruiserweight last week.

The question is...how can you so adamantly cry robbery for a fight you say there's no footage of?

Because everybody out there said it, and there was a knock down for a reason. I'm quite confident it's impossible to proof me wrong.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Well, he did?! Somehow the refs gave him a decision anyway and there is no footage, which is at least very remarkeble for a mandatory fight isn't it? I mean, it's not two talents, or two bums, no it's fighting for a mandatory spot of the world WBC title! Where's the crowd? Where are the fans? Nobody with a camera out there? Can you name any fight at all, between two top 100 boxrec boxers, with no footage availeble? And it's not like, oh yea, somewhere in Africa, or Asia or whatever, no, the United States of America!
And please note that Derric Rossy isn't even ranked in the top 40 of the WBC, also note that that same Derric Rossy recently lost against a cruiserweight last week.

The question is...how can you so adamantly cry robbery for a fight you say there's no footage of?

Because everybody out there said it, and there was a knock down for a reason. I'm quite confident it's impossible to proof me wrong.

It's impossible to PROOF you right also.

I would never so confidently claim something that I didn't know for certain was a fact, and if you weren't there (and you weren't) you can't be certain.

Besides...I don't know what reports you're reading, but I've read nothing that says Derric Rossy beat Stiverne. All the reports I've seen said Stiverne struggled more than anybody thought he would, but won a close decision. I didn't see anybody claiming Rossy should've won.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
The question is...how can you so adamantly cry robbery for a fight you say there's no footage of?

Because everybody out there said it, and there was a knock down for a reason. I'm quite confident it's impossible to proof me wrong.

It's impossible to PROOF you right also.

I would never so confidently claim something that I didn't know for certain was a fact, and if you weren't there (and you weren't) you can't be certain.

Besides...I don't know what reports you're reading, but I've read nothing that says Derric Rossy beat Stiverne. All the reports I've seen said Stiverne struggled more than anybody thought he would, but won a close decision. I didn't see anybody claiming Rossy should've won.

My buddy I just made up who wasn't there said Rossy won.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
The question is...how can you so adamantly cry robbery for a fight you say there's no footage of?

Because everybody out there said it, and there was a knock down for a reason. I'm quite confident it's impossible to proof me wrong.

It's impossible to PROOF you right also.

I would never so confidently claim something that I didn't know for certain was a fact, and if you weren't there (and you weren't) you can't be certain.

Besides...I don't know what reports you're reading, but I've read nothing that says Derric Rossy beat Stiverne. All the reports I've seen said Stiverne struggled more than anybody thought he would, but won a close decision. I didn't see anybody claiming Rossy should've won.

Hiding of the footage says more then enough doesn't it? I can only find a few seconds of the fight, and that's when Stiverne was knocked down.
I do remember I've seen more footage though, but appearantly that's removed from youtube.

Stiverne clearly won. I haven't seen it either but since you're always wrong I'll take my chances against your intuition.

ElJefe wrote:Wilder's list of opponents is embarrassing, but Whyte has a hugely inflated view of himself within the division. His best achievement is scraping a questionable decision against Chisora and landing one good shot on AJ. Aside from that his best win is probably Ian Lewison. He should look to fight a former Wilder opponent (Washington, Stiverne, Scott) or just fight another contender (Miller, Jennings). Better yet, give Del Boy a rematch.

Agreed fully. Dullian Shyte has done nothing. I could see Wilder taming him with the breland trained jab than taking the fat bum outta there in 9

Bricks wrote:

ElJefe wrote:Wilder's list of opponents is embarrassing, but Whyte has a hugely inflated view of himself within the division. His best achievement is scraping a questionable decision against Chisora and landing one good shot on AJ. Aside from that his best win is probably Ian Lewison. He should look to fight a former Wilder opponent (Washington, Stiverne, Scott) or just fight another contender (Miller, Jennings). Better yet, give Del Boy a rematch.

Agreed fully. Dullian Shyte has done nothing. I could see Wilder taming him with the breland trained jab than taking the fat bum outta there in 9

Wilders other really aren't anything better. At least whyte brings some interest

Bricks wrote:

ElJefe wrote:Wilder's list of opponents is embarrassing, but Whyte has a hugely inflated view of himself within the division. His best achievement is scraping a questionable decision against Chisora and landing one good shot on AJ. Aside from that his best win is probably Ian Lewison. He should look to fight a former Wilder opponent (Washington, Stiverne, Scott) or just fight another contender (Miller, Jennings). Better yet, give Del Boy a rematch.

Agreed fully. Dullian Shyte has done nothing. I could see Wilder taming him with the breland trained jab than taking the fat bum outta there in 9

That's why it's so amazing that Wilder is so scared for him, I fully agree that Whyte isn't that impressive, but for 4,5 milion I'll fight anyone, better or worse then me. 4,5 milion is more cash as all Wilder his world title defences combined!?

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Because everybody out there said it, and there was a knock down for a reason. I'm quite confident it's impossible to proof me wrong.

It's impossible to PROOF you right also.

I would never so confidently claim something that I didn't know for certain was a fact, and if you weren't there (and you weren't) you can't be certain.

Besides...I don't know what reports you're reading, but I've read nothing that says Derric Rossy beat Stiverne. All the reports I've seen said Stiverne struggled more than anybody thought he would, but won a close decision. I didn't see anybody claiming Rossy should've won.

Hiding of the footage says more then enough doesn't it? I can only find a few seconds of the fight, and that's when Stiverne was knocked down.
I do remember I've seen more footage though, but appearantly that's removed from youtube.

The footage isn't "Hidden" it was just wasn't filmed because nobody gave a sh*t.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Stiverne clearly won. I haven't seen it either but since you're always wrong I'll take my chances against your intuition.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
It's impossible to PROOF you right also.

I would never so confidently claim something that I didn't know for certain was a fact, and if you weren't there (and you weren't) you can't be certain.

Besides...I don't know what reports you're reading, but I've read nothing that says Derric Rossy beat Stiverne. All the reports I've seen said Stiverne struggled more than anybody thought he would, but won a close decision. I didn't see anybody claiming Rossy should've won.

Hiding of the footage says more then enough doesn't it? I can only find a few seconds of the fight, and that's when Stiverne was knocked down.
I do remember I've seen more footage though, but appearantly that's removed from youtube.

The footage isn't "Hidden" it was just wasn't filmed because nobody gave a sh*t.

It is filmed, I have seen it, somehow it's removed from youtube, for obvious reasons.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Hiding of the footage says more then enough doesn't it? I can only find a few seconds of the fight, and that's when Stiverne was knocked down.
I do remember I've seen more footage though, but appearantly that's removed from youtube.

The footage isn't "Hidden" it was just wasn't filmed because nobody gave a sh*t.

It is filmed, I have seen it, somehow it's removed from youtube, for obvious reasons.

So now there's a conspiracy to hide the truth...for Bermane Stiverne.

Do you hear yourself? I promise you nobody is fixing fights for Stiverne, it's not worth anybody's time or money to do so.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Hiding of the footage says more then enough doesn't it? I can only find a few seconds of the fight, and that's when Stiverne was knocked down.
I do remember I've seen more footage though, but appearantly that's removed from youtube.

The footage isn't "Hidden" it was just wasn't filmed because nobody gave a sh*t.

It is filmed, I have seen it, somehow it's removed from youtube, for obvious reasons.

No, you've seen nothing. You're mole blind to boxing.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
The footage isn't "Hidden" it was just wasn't filmed because nobody gave a sh*t.

It is filmed, I have seen it, somehow it's removed from youtube, for obvious reasons.

So now there's a conspiracy to hide the truth...for Bermane Stiverne.

Do you hear yourself? I promise you nobody is fixing fights for Stiverne, it's not worth anybody's time or money to do so.

The KO still is availeble on youtube actually, so it's obviously filmed.
Wilder is obviously a lot more scared for a fight compared to ducking milions of dollars.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:It is filmed, I have seen it, somehow it's removed from youtube, for obvious reasons.

So now there's a conspiracy to hide the truth...for Bermane Stiverne.

Do you hear yourself? I promise you nobody is fixing fights for Stiverne, it's not worth anybody's time or money to do so.

The KO still is availeble on youtube actually, so it's obviously filmed.
Wilder is obviously a lot more scared for a fight compared to ducking milions of dollars.

Knockdown. Not KO.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
So now there's a conspiracy to hide the truth...for Bermane Stiverne.

Do you hear yourself? I promise you nobody is fixing fights for Stiverne, it's not worth anybody's time or money to do so.

The KO still is availeble on youtube actually, so it's obviously filmed.
Wilder is obviously a lot more scared for a fight compared to ducking milions of dollars.

Knockdown. Not KO.

KD, excuse, my bad

Now I'm thinking about Whyte, why doesn't he fight Andy Ruiz Jr or Takam?
If he beats eather of those, then Whyte has a serious say in challenging Parker and I bet they love to fight for 4 mil, or even 1 mil.

asdfjkl wrote:Now I'm thinking about Whyte, why doesn't he fight Andy Ruiz Jr or Takam?
If he beats eather of those, then Whyte has a serious say in challenging Parker and I bet they love to fight for 4 mil, or even 1 mil.

I don't think he'd beat Ruiz

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Now I'm thinking about Whyte, why doesn't he fight Andy Ruiz Jr or Takam?
If he beats eather of those, then Whyte has a serious say in challenging Parker and I bet they love to fight for 4 mil, or even 1 mil.

I don't think he'd beat Ruiz

Me neither, but it would be close and a very nice fight to see in my opinion.

This is my rankings atm:
1. Anthony Joshua (last fought: 4-29-2017)
2. Wladimir Klitschko (last fought: 4-29-2017)
3. Luis Ortiz (last fought: 12-10-2016)
4. Alexander Povetkin (last fought: 7-1-2017)
5. Hughie Fury
6. Joseph Parker (last fought: 5-6-2017)
7. Jun Long Zhang
8. Deontay Wilder (last fought: 2-25-2017)
9. Andy Ruiz Jr. (last fought: 12-10-2016)
10. Kubrat Pulev (last fought: 4-28-2017)
11. Carlos Takam (last fought: 6-17-2017)
12. Dillian Whyte
13. Dominic Breazeale (last fought: 2-25-2017)
14. Johann Duhaupas (last fought: 4-22-2017)
15. Daniel Dubois
16. Tyrone Spong
17. Tony Yoka
18. Jarrell Miller (last fought: 8-19-2016)
19. Izuagbe Ugonoh
20. Amir Mansour

There are a few guys out there I struggle to rate;
Senad Gashi
Mladen Miljas
Simon Kean

Partly copy pasted.

Whyte may have talks, but if he's honest, he has to fight serious opposition himself as well, he now wants to jump to a world titleshot, while he doesn't stick above other guys in similar positions. Now Whyte got a pile of money in his back, but appearantly that isn't enough for the world title holders, or in every case not according to Wilder.

punchoutsb wrote:

Loki wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Just shows how low grade vitali is.

Chisora is hot and cold. He was good against an old Vitali, Helenius and Whyte.

He didn't show up against Fury and Pulev. He showed up against Haye and got his lights turned out.

It just depends on the day with him.

Old Vitali pitched a near shutout against him. Chisoras only good outing was against one armed Helenius.

Had Vitali been 2 years younger, he would annihilated him.

Impractical Poster wrote:Whyte seems to be in a hurry to get starched.

I have to be honest, Deontay Wilder’s resume is pretty abysmal for a champion that has competed in so many fights and has also held his title for such a long time.

I wouldn’t be confident about ‘The Bronze Bomber’ having an “easy” time against a proven talent like Dillian Whyte.

This might appear to you to be a “ridiculous” claim to make, but I feel that a victory over Dillian Whyte would be the highlight of Deontay Wilder’s professional career… surpassing even his one-sided decision win over Bermane Stiverne.

The strange thing is… I don’t personally consider Dillian Whyte to be a world-beater, he's not overly-impressive, but I feel he would still be a huge step up in class for ‘The Bronze Bomber’.

Whyte has massive massive balls. He walked straight through AJ's shots for 6 rounds. He won't be afraid of Wilder which will cause him issues

punchoutsb wrote:

Chisora is hot and cold. He was good against an old Vitali, Helenius and Whyte.

He didn't show up against Fury and Pulev. He showed up against Haye and got his lights turned out.

It just depends on the day with him.

It is also important if the opponent will give you a chance to show up :)
In both cases (Pulev and Fury) Chisora didn't have any chance to perform...
Styles make fights as all of us know :)