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Match up is good.

Some of the intangibles may get in the way of it happening soon, if they go in the Autumn or later it's appealing and meaningful.

montrealsuper wrote:Wilder and Haymon are desperate. They need a quality win vs a quality respected opponent...the only possible explanation is that Haymon is paying Ortiz to dive. Haymon controls both and there is no money and no long term potential in Ortiz. Wilder is still the Haymon cash cow. This fight, if it happens, reeks of paying Ortiz to play the patsy. Probably a high price but it's smart business decision by Haymon. He's got to do something big for Wilder now as the public won't tolerate any more tomato can wins.

Hopefully this fight is real but I highly doubt it, as there is just no money in a Cuban elite talent (Rigondeaux). Especially an aging one pushing 40.

I've seen Rigondeaux training with Tyrone Spong and he's indeed pretty good.
To bad boxing is so unfair some times. I don't expect Tyrone Spong to ever become a champion either because of the money thing, I'd love to see Spong vs Dillian Whyte for example, both in boxing as well as kickboxing.

This fight is ok but prob wont happen.

Both Wilder and Ortiz are vastly over-rated.

Ortiz has been woefully inactive....and most certainly wont be the kind of boxer who stays in shape.

That said, his win over Bryant Jennings was good.

funso banjo baby wrote:This fight is ok but prob wont happen.

Both Wilder and Ortiz are vastly over-rated.

Ortiz has been woefully inactive....and most certainly wont be the kind of boxer who stays in shape.

That said, his win over Bryant Jennings was good.

If fighting 3 times in 2016 makes you woefully inactive, I guess quite a few boxers are then?

It is a risk for Wilder, but he may have to take this fight if Stiverne is punished by the WBC for missing the VADA test. It is not a risk to Haymon since he now has both Wilder and Ortiz in his stable. I think that one of the champions will fight Ortiz before he turns 40.

I genuinly hope this fight will happen and I genuinly hope this isn't another act.

RScarf1 wrote:It is a risk for Wilder, but he may have to take this fight if Stiverne is punished by the WBC for missing the VADA test. It is not a risk to Haymon since he now has both Wilder and Ortiz in his stable. I think that one of the champions will fight Ortiz before he turns 40.

Haymon does not subject his fraud wilder to risks. Only choreographed fake hoax risks. This would be a fix. Because Ortiz is just too old to be manufactured into a money making star. Ortiz knows it too and is at the age where he will cash out for diving.

montrealsuper wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:It is a risk for Wilder, but he may have to take this fight if Stiverne is punished by the WBC for missing the VADA test. It is not a risk to Haymon since he now has both Wilder and Ortiz in his stable. I think that one of the champions will fight Ortiz before he turns 40.

Haymon does not subject his fraud wilder to risks. Only choreographed fake hoax risks. This would be a fix. Because Ortiz is just too old to be manufactured into a money making star. Ortiz knows it too and is at the age where he will cash out for diving.

Are there any fights not fixed in your opinion? Seems like anytime a guy you don't care for is fighting it's fixed.

When Al Haymon is involved and one of his key frauds are involved, you'd be wise to consider the fix option.

Al Haymon cares about being the dominant promotional force at 147 and 154. His intrests in other divisions are just filler for PBC undercards. He could care less about the heavyweight division.

RScarf1 wrote:It is a risk for Wilder ...

i am afraid that is somehow unavoidable
if you are a professional boxer.

mister wilder pulls a sven ottke in front
of everybody and people don't call him
out as much as they should. his match
making is a joke and his fans are in praise
for him almost fighting a 37 year old
pretty inactive veteran on his way out.

fans and critics are not nearly as tough
on wilder as they should be.

Two years ago Wilder was riding a wave of
Support. Touted as the new American HW
But as time and 6 defences moved on, that support and momentum has dwindled. The spotlight he loves no longer shines above him and has moved on..
He can't get away with calling out top fighters then fighting B or C graders. His credibility as a champion is as thin as his record.
He needs this fight.
His paydays are meagre, the venue's are small.
Will it happen?
Hope it does, but who knows.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Heretic wrote:I will believe this fight is happening as soon as I see them in the ring.

Ortiz could be the definition of high risk low reward... There is no reason for Wilder to take this fight. So I think it will not happen.

I would be happy if it happens. I will not be one of the people calling Ortiz old and unproven if Wilder wins.

I agree it's unlikely to happen, neither are any kind of draw. Low risk/reward for both of them. One reason that would make sense for Wilder is that if he beat Ortiz it clears a path to the massive money fight with Joshua. No reason for Ortiz to take this fight and I'd bet he wants nothing to do with it.

Ortiz would die to get this fight.. The only reason Wilder would are Ortiz's recent showings, his age, and the massive prestige a win would create.

LO has been trying to get a top Heavyweight into the ring for years and he's 38 now... What fight is he going to get??? IF this fight IS made he'll almost die of happiness.. He's been the singular most avoided Heavyweight in the division for years -- and it got a lot worse when Bryant Jennings came off a decent showing with a 39-year-old Klitschko to get murdered by Ortiz.. After that brutal right hook in the first round, Jennings tried to come back, but just lacks any kind of skills to deal with a Heavyweight the caliber of Ortiz.. He had less chance than a fart in a hurricane.

Damn, I hope Ortiz gets this fight nailed down... But I'm almost positive he won't.

I must say, as you grow up you're much less annoying with your posts. Must have been puberty. Ortiz is a mandatory for Joshua, while Wilder is the more winnable fight it will pay pennies compared to a Joshua check. Luis likes to sit around and do nothing, that's what he'll do now.

Your posts are nonsensical, and you grow more ignorant by the day... Ortiz would love a Joshua fight, first and foremost... It doesn't look like that's happening... But if he can get Wilder to fight it's a dream come true... A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush, and if he destroys Wilder AJ has to fight him anyway.

More risk than reward, it's 50/50 wilder demolishes him. He'll be more than happy to wait, he's lazy as fornicate.

Is there already made a deal, or is it just another, I want attention, so let's spread some bullshit, scream again?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:More risk than reward, it's 50/50 wilder demolishes him. He'll be more than happy to wait, he's lazy as eff.

Not at all... You didn't watch the Washington fight.. The Molina fight.. Or the Duhaupas fight.. Wilder gets demolished. He gets destroyed by LO.

A lot of preparation -- which Ortiz will do no problem... He worked like crazy before the Jennings fight because BJ could actually fight a little.

Not at all, you didn't watch the Scott or Allen fights. Ortiz is 50 years old and fading fast.

I do not believe this fight will happen.Why WBC do not push Wilder into the game?

Kalan wrote: Not at all... You didn't watch the Washington fight.. The Molina fight.. Or the Duhaupas fight.. Wilder gets demolished. He gets destroyed by LO.

A lot of preparation -- which Ortiz will do no problem... He worked like crazy before the Jennings fight because BJ could actually fight a little.

Uhh, yeah I did. From the floor of the arena.

You must not have watched a recent Ortiz fight if you think that.

IronFrost wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

IronFrost wrote:

Why would Wilder waste his time with "fake volumentary defence"? It does not make any sence lol.

If Ortiz fails a drug test than it is his fail. It would not be for the first time tho

Wilder has wasted about 2,5 years now? And another 5 years before that.

He did not waste anything. He still fought and was active. Why he would gave Ortiz fight for free and than cancel that ?:D It does not make sence.

He could easily pick anyone else instead of Ortiz lmao?

He probably will indeed, this was probably just another sad scream for attention of Deontay Wilder. I feel sorry for Ortiz that he actually fell for Deontay Wilder and all of his lies all over again.
Ah well, I hoped Wilder would finally step up, but it's more likely that he's going to fight another bum, acting like he wanted to fight someone who could possibly have a chance despite he´s far over his prime, someonw who would actually be reasonable accepted as a world titlefight, but sadly, I don´t expect it.

I do have some kind of respect for him in one way, I think it´s worth a compliment how he become a milionair by fooling so many retards time over time again and again. He even found a judge who is so foolish that he let him get away with scamming. Even entire America´s reputation in the boxing world as well as their government and lawsuit reputation is heavely damaged by him personally. He´s most likely, by far, not even the best American boxer out there.

I think Wilder will be too athletic.

Now that AJ is arse deep in ordered mandatories Wilder has called him out again.
Who would have thought it?

KiwiRider wrote:Now that AJ is arse deep in ordered mandatories Wilder has called him out again.
Who would have thought it?

Just last year everybody laughed at me when I said something similar about him.
And TBH I genuinly wouldn't be surprised if Wilder actually really does want AJ, somehow Wilder has to learn that he simply doesn't matter that much, while others do much more. He always got the fights he wants, and now he finally meets someone who says no, you're not good enough, proof yourself first, but Wilder doesn't dare that, too much risk. I hope AJ fights Ortiz one month after Pulev.