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Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 15:37
by Tarkus
Tony1244 wrote:
Tarkus wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:

He is somewhat slow and fat. I wouldn't call anyone in the top 50 a "totally unskilled bum" though.
He is very slow and somewhat fat. This thread is about "the best prospects". This is the context of the discussion. And from this context he is a total bum because he has absolutely zero chance at championship level.

No one has a zero chance in a championship fight because the champ's knee might "snap." Just sayn...

Do I think Adam can be a great champion and have multiple title defenses? Ok, that's a 0% chance unless he reads the 10,000 hour anyone can do anything book. :lol:
He'll need to read it twice. Thats called talent(less).

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 15:45
by cuban glass
Tarkus wrote:
cuban glass wrote:
Tarkus wrote: No need for name calling you deluded piece of shiit.
'no need for name calling then you call me a piece of s**** lol! Explain how you claim I'm 'deluded'? name your best heavyweight prospects?
Seem like you don't even want to have a discussion about the topic, you just want to troll.. Bring some mature discussion or shut the f*** up with your worthless posts.
You started name calling and I answered, or what do you expect. I dont have mature discussions with bellends.
You're a joke mate. Lemme guess you think the best Heavyweight prospect is that slow bum Jarrell Miller :lol: :lol:

Teslenko, Hrgovic, Kuzmin, Sirenko ARE the best heavyweight prospects or are at least among the best prospects, why the f*** does that make you butthurt for, for some reason you are crying over this, hmmm.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 15:46
by SaadOffTheDeck
KiwiRider wrote:
imaioral wrote:I see the best with experience and a chance to give trouble and be World Champion by far is Sergey Kuzmin

* Adam Kownacki could be included, he is good (almost on average), but nothing more than that, he has many skills to be stoned. If he picks a good average opponent such as Andy Ruiz Jr (or a bit better one) he loses.

The ones I see that have big potential and we will know that they are really good (with at least 10 fights) are: Daniel Dubois, Tony Yoka, Andrey Afonin and (perhaps) Josh Sandland.

Another one to wait that can surprise a bit is Robert Alfonso.
Nice post.
Thanks for mentioning Andy Ruiez.
I was waiting for someone to bring him up

If he fought Parker in Vegas the result would have been different.
Don't write him off because of that loss.
He is still young and has some natural gifts if only he could turn that 2 stone of blubber into muscle he would be mentioned a lot more

Good chin, decent work rate, plenty of heart and accurate punches with above (for HW) average hand speed. If only the fat as muscle.
If he got rid of the fat he'd be a cruiserweight.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 15:47
by cuban glass
Kownacki cuts the ring over very well, punches very hard, seems to have a good chin, is young. Ignoring trolls, it seems he will definitely be a Top 10 fighter and could easily possibly get a win over a weak champion such as Wilder or Parker


Oleksandr Usyk will definitely be moving up in the not too distant future as well don't forget, He was beating up the worlds best super heavyweight in WSB I#d expect him to do very well.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 15:54
by Tarkus
cuban glass wrote:
Tarkus wrote:
cuban glass wrote:
'no need for name calling then you call me a piece of s**** lol! Explain how you claim I'm 'deluded'? name your best heavyweight prospects?
Seem like you don't even want to have a discussion about the topic, you just want to troll.. Bring some mature discussion or shut the f*** up with your worthless posts.
You started name calling and I answered, or what do you expect. I dont have mature discussions with bellends.
You're a joke mate. Lemme guess you think the best Heavyweight prospect is that slow bum Jarrell Miller :lol: :lol:

Teslenko, Hrgovic, Kuzmin, Sirenko ARE the best heavyweight prospects or are at least among the best prospects, why the f*** does that make you butthurt for, for some reason you are crying over this, hmmm.
Your guess is just as good as your list of "the best prospects". Useless.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 16:01
by cuban glass
Tarkus wrote:
cuban glass wrote:
Tarkus wrote: You started name calling and I answered, or what do you expect. I dont have mature discussions with bellends.
You're a joke mate. Lemme guess you think the best Heavyweight prospect is that slow bum Jarrell Miller :lol: :lol:

Teslenko, Hrgovic, Kuzmin, Sirenko ARE the best heavyweight prospects or are at least among the best prospects, why the f*** does that make you butthurt for, for some reason you are crying over this, hmmm.
Your guess is just as good as your list of "the best prospects". Useless.
Still no names of your best prospects......

Your boxing knowledge is completely useless , you know nothing, You claimed O'Hara Davies would beat Josh Taylor easily :lol: :lol: you said '' he's on another level to Taylor'' :lol: :lol:
how wrong can someone be! you should have deleted your account after embarrassing yourself like that. Anyone with any boxing knowledge knew beforehand Taylor was better than Davies in every department and it would be an easy fight for the scotsman.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 16:21
by Tarkus
Fcking kinder garden this guy.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 16:25
by cuban glass
Tarkus wrote:Fcking kinder garden this guy.
ohara davies was gonna ''easily become a world champion'' according to you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have brung nothing but negativity to this thread.. name your prospects that are better than Hrgovic, Teslenko, Kuzmin, Sirenko or stfu simple.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 16:30
by Tarkus
cuban glass wrote:
Tarkus wrote:Fcking kinder garden this guy.
ohara davies was gonna ''easily become a world champion'' according to you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have brung nothing but negativity to this thread.. name your prospects that are better than Hrgovic, Teslenko, Kuzmin, Sirenko or stfu simple.
Grow up and learn how to talk to people. Then you might get an answer. Little fcking wanker.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 16:53
by cuban glass
Tarkus wrote:
cuban glass wrote:
Tarkus wrote:Fcking kinder garden this guy.
ohara davies was gonna ''easily become a world champion'' according to you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have brung nothing but negativity to this thread.. name your prospects that are better than Hrgovic, Teslenko, Kuzmin, Sirenko or stfu simple.
Grow up and learn how to talk to people. Then you might get an answer. Little fcking wanker.
says you... lol You came in this thread just with just the purpose to troll. Every single post you have made has been negative and without naming any prospects you rate. You are a worthless poster and made no postive contribution to this threa. Some Negative, depressed, butthurt forum addict little rat. You don't rate Hrgovic but I saw on another thread you praising Dubois hahaha say no more

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 00:05
by asdfjkl
Dubois just got scheduled against AJ at 26/9 , can't wait.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 07:52
by ValMar
asdfjkl wrote:Dubois just got scheduled against AJ at 26/9 , can't wait.
????

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 08:45
by tiny_acres
ValMar wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:Dubois just got scheduled against AJ at 26/9 , can't wait.
????
Aj Carter 8-3

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 07 Aug 2017, 19:57
by cuban glass
Russia probably have the best prospects of any nation - Kuzmin, Afonin, Plechko, Gimbatov, Romanov
and
Ukraine - Teslenko, Usyk, Sirenko
UK - H Fury, Joyce, Dubois, Gorman,

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 22:04
by Mexi-Box
cuban glass wrote:Russia probably have the best prospects of any nation - Kuzmin, Afonin, Plechko, Gimbatov, Romanov
and
Ukraine - Teslenko, Usyk, Sirenko
UK - H Fury, Joyce, Dubois, Gorman,
Tony Yoka-France
Mohamed Al Zein-Germany
Bogdan Dinu-Romania
Ivan Dychko-Kazahkstan
Filip Hrgovic-Croatia

I hear a lot of good stuff from Hrgovic. Dudes that follow the amateurs say this guy is pure class, and he might rule the division. Supposedly, he got robbed by Yoka in the amateurs. I don't follow the amateurs though. All these prospects coming into the heavyweight division is seriously going to make it one of, if not the, hottest division in boxing. So many amateur standouts in one division is crazy.

I hear a lot of mixed thoughts on Dinu though.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 22:18
by cuban glass
Mexi-Box wrote:
cuban glass wrote:Russia probably have the best prospects of any nation - Kuzmin, Afonin, Plechko, Gimbatov, Romanov
and
Ukraine - Teslenko, Usyk, Sirenko
UK - H Fury, Joyce, Dubois, Gorman,
Filip Hrgovic-Croatia

I hear a lot of good stuff from Hrgovic. Dudes that follow the amateurs say this guy is pure class, and he might rule the division. Supposedly, he got robbed by Yoka in the amateurs. I don't follow the amateurs though. All these prospects coming into the heavyweight division is seriously going to make it one of, if not the, hottest division in boxing. So many amateur standouts in one division is crazy.

I hear a lot of mixed thoughts on Dinu though.
Yep. Apparently there a couple of other good Croatian heavyweights ..Agron Smakici, and Mladen Miljas (based in Canada) I haven't seen them though. Plus Stipe Miocic the UFC heavyweight champ has spoke about moving into boxing.

Hrgovic reminds me like a young Vitali. He's the real deal. He has a great chin ( which is you definitely need as a HW), thudding power, tough as hell - a natural fighter, amateur pedigree,WSB esperience, youth. He ticks all the boxes he's gonna be a star in the division.

Dinu looks good but strangely never steps up so a lot of people have given up on him,He's been a pro since 2008! it's weird the way he fights about once a year against some overmatched opponent and never steps up in levels, IF he took boxing seriously, he could be a player in the division for sure.

Yep I agree fun times ahead , I think Hrgovic, Teslenko, Kuzmin, Sirenko, Joyce, Dychko are the standout prospects. And Usyk when he moves up :)

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 22:26
by Mexi-Box
cuban glass wrote:
Mexi-Box wrote:
cuban glass wrote:Russia probably have the best prospects of any nation - Kuzmin, Afonin, Plechko, Gimbatov, Romanov
and
Ukraine - Teslenko, Usyk, Sirenko
UK - H Fury, Joyce, Dubois, Gorman,
Filip Hrgovic-Croatia

I hear a lot of good stuff from Hrgovic. Dudes that follow the amateurs say this guy is pure class, and he might rule the division. Supposedly, he got robbed by Yoka in the amateurs. I don't follow the amateurs though. All these prospects coming into the heavyweight division is seriously going to make it one of, if not the, hottest division in boxing. So many amateur standouts in one division is crazy.

I hear a lot of mixed thoughts on Dinu though.
Yep. Apparently there a couple of other good Croatian heavyweights Agron Smakici, and Mladen Miljas (based in Canada) I haven't seen them though. Plus Stipe Miocic the UFC heavyweight champ has spoke about moving into boxing.

Hrgovic reminds me like a young Vitali. He's the rel deal. He has a great chin ( which is you definitely need as a HW), thudding power, tough as hell - a natural fighter, amateur pedigree,WSB esperience, youth. He ticks all the boxes he's gonna be a star in the division.

Dinu looks good but strangely never steps up so a lot of people have given up on him,He's been a pro since 2008! it's weird the way he fights about once a year against some overmatched opponent and never steps up in levels, IF he took boxing seriously, he could be a player in the division for sure.

Yep I agree fun times ahead for sure , I think Hrgovic, Teslenko, Kuzmin, Sirenko, Joyce, Dychko are the standout prospects. And Usyk when he moves up :)
You're all making me excited about Hrgovic. I hope he's the real deal. Sounds like a fantastic fighter.

I remember a while ago Dinu was supposed to take a step up against Adrian Granat, but something happened. That would've for sure been a great fight, but I feel like Granat would've been KO'd knowing what happened after the fight fell through and he fought Dimitrenko.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 23:46
by asdfjkl
And don't forget about the Canadians

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 14 Aug 2017, 17:36
by asdfjkl
I can't wait for the Ruslan Myrsatayev vs Mike Balogun fight btw.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 14 Aug 2017, 17:48
by Badhusker
Is Povetkin a prospect, or a stepping stone now? :OhYes:

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 14 Aug 2017, 21:01
by Lackeos
asdfjkl wrote:I can't wait for the Ruslan Myrsatayev vs Mike Balogun fight btw.
A 32-year-old fighting a 33-year-old. This is a prospect battle for the ages. Imagine how great these guys are going to be when they're 50. Or at least how great they have the potential to be. ... When they're 50.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 00:15
by asdfjkl
Lackeos wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:I can't wait for the Ruslan Myrsatayev vs Mike Balogun fight btw.
A 32-year-old fighting a 33-year-old. This is a prospect battle for the ages. Imagine how great these guys are going to be when they're 50. Or at least how great they have the potential to be. ... When they're 50.
Heavyweights usually start later as dwarfs.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 20 Aug 2017, 20:17
by dagilechia
i would like to add Pawel Wierzbicki as a pretty good prospect even if he is not the top of the top of the prospects list like Dubois etc he seems to be good and he is only 23 years old (he is just 2-0 now), boxrec says he is 198cm but he is ~195cm i think

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 21 Aug 2017, 04:06
by Boxing Writer
dagilechia wrote:i would like to add Pawel Wierzbicki as a pretty good prospect even if he is not the top of the top of the prospects list like Dubois etc he seems to be good and he is only 23 years old (he is just 2-0 now), boxrec says he is 198cm but he is ~195cm i think
Who is the most talented, in your opinion, of Pawel Wierzbicki, Krzysztof Kosela and Nicholas Mazurek (he lives in USA but he is Pole too)? Please, rank them in order.

Re: Best Heavyweight Prospects?

Posted: 21 Aug 2017, 04:27
by dagilechia
Boxing Writer wrote:
dagilechia wrote:i would like to add Pawel Wierzbicki as a pretty good prospect even if he is not the top of the top of the prospects list like Dubois etc he seems to be good and he is only 23 years old (he is just 2-0 now), boxrec says he is 198cm but he is ~195cm i think
Who is the most talented, in your opinion, of Pawel Wierzbicki, Krzysztof Kosela and Nicholas Mazurek (he lives in USA but he is Pole too)? Please, rank them in order.
i've seen Wierzbicki and Kosela both on amateurs, seen Kosela too at pros, i don't know much about Mazurek as he is a Pole that lives whole his life in the USA so i had no possibility to see him life (only some videos) but i believe he's got a better potential than Kosela that never impressed me - he is tall and strong but slow and simple fighter. He's got that brutal force but i'm not sure he is able to KO someone decent. Kosela may look better vs poor opposition than Wierzbicki because of his superior strength but if he steps up i can't see it will be fine for him. Wierzbicki is smaller but got a decent workrate and has got a lot busier legs and body, moves like a cruiser (especially if compared to Kosela) can dodge a shot which is something Kosela does not. Wierzbicki was a decent amateur and most of Polish boxing society sees him as the most promising HW and good talent for a Polish standards.
1.Wierzbicki
2.Mazurek
3.Kosela