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They did a sports science analysis on GGG's punching power and related it to being hit by a mid size American car travelling at 30mph centered on an area of 4 square inches and it was the hardest punch they had so far measured.
I think there is a clip on YouTube somewhere. I saw it on Discovery channel.

ValMar wrote:

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote: No, there are only a few fighters on the top (considering power in this case, but we can speak about chin, skills, stamina, too).
Are there a lot of students on some prominent university (let us say Yale or Oxford) with IQ more than 160 ? Of course, not.
I suppose three quarters of them are between 120 and 140. Perhaps one out of a thousand has IQ 160 or over....
I hope that you are serious, and understand my point.

That's IQ though, which is a Bell curve. That's not a 1-10 scale. A 1-10 scale should be graduated equally along its length. Otherwise it's purely arbitrary - I could say that nobody is 10/10 except the very hardest puncher, or I could say nobody is 10/10 at all because they don't deserve to be there.

If you want to make it a Bell curve, what percentile do you think should be ranked above 9?

Any scale could be presented as a curve (with normal distribution - Gauss, or without)....
I wrote in opening post 10/10 = +95/100, if you want percentile - it would be 99th, of course it is roughly.....
If you have a thousand pro-boxers at HW - the answer is easy, you might add two or three CWs, and that is it........

So. if you arbitrarily set the bar at 99 percent for a 10/10 rating, then essentially your question is who makes up the 1% of active pro boxers who punch the hardest? OK, Boxrec lists 22,157 boxers. So you need about 200. So yes, the six you listed are all certainly in the top 200 hardest active punchers.

There was a power thread a while back, it's pretty much impossible to sort out. I'd be tempted to say wilder has the absolute biggest 1 punch power, but there's very little to split him, Wlad, Joshua or even big pricey.

David haye was also a mega puncher but if he was to hit a pressure pad it'd certainly be lower than them guys I'd say. The Haye power is a mix of power and speed. The speeds key as his explosive power meant the big punch, or the hayemaker as he calls it, is the punch you don't see, it's so fast. So basically you're not prepared to defend or roll away to take some of the power out of it. Watch Haye batter enzo maccrenelli to see this.

The others guys, except maybe Joshua are pretty clear down on speed vs Haye and just have that huge guy power.

Wlad has the biggest straight right at range, then probably pricey. Joshua has the bigger uppercut and mid range hooks and shorter straight rights. Wilder has the biggest overhand right.

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gp. wrote:

That's IQ though, which is a Bell curve. That's not a 1-10 scale. A 1-10 scale should be graduated equally along its length. Otherwise it's purely arbitrary - I could say that nobody is 10/10 except the very hardest puncher, or I could say nobody is 10/10 at all because they don't deserve to be there.

If you want to make it a Bell curve, what percentile do you think should be ranked above 9?

Any scale could be presented as a curve (with normal distribution - Gauss, or without)....
I wrote in opening post 10/10 = +95/100, if you want percentile - it would be 99th, of course it is roughly.....
If you have a thousand pro-boxers at HW - the answer is easy, you might add two or three CWs, and that is it........

So. if you arbitrarily set the bar at 99 percent for a 10/10 rating, then essentially your question is who makes up the 1% of active pro boxers who punch the hardest? OK, Boxrec lists 22,157 boxers. So you need about 200. So yes, the six you listed are all certainly in the top 200 hardest active punchers.

OMG, 1% of HWs, not all pro-boxers.....I will try again - There are 1 person out of 1000 with IQ 150 or over, but on Oxford there are six or seven students out of 1000 with IQ 150 or over......In this case Oxford = HW............If I knew for this kind of posts, I would never open this kind of thread. This is boxing forum, if you want to speak about literature or philosophy - I am ready, but not of this forum.....

Ossyrules wrote:There was a power thread a while back, it's pretty much impossible to sort out. I'd be tempted to say wilder has the absolute biggest 1 punch power, but there's very little to split him, Wlad, Joshua or even big pricey.

David haye was also a mega puncher but if he was to hit a pressure pad it'd certainly be lower than them guys I'd say. The Haye power is a mix of power and speed. The speeds key as his explosive power meant the big punch, or the hayemaker as he calls it, is the punch you don't see, it's so fast. So basically you're not prepared to defend or roll away to take some of the power out of it. Watch Haye batter enzo maccrenelli to see this.

The others guys, except maybe Joshua are pretty clear down on speed vs Haye and just have that huge guy power.

Wlad has the biggest straight right at range, then probably pricey. Joshua has the bigger uppercut and mid range hooks and shorter straight rights. Wilder has the biggest overhand right.

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Ossyrules wrote:There was a power thread a while back, it's pretty much impossible to sort out. I'd be tempted to say wilder has the absolute biggest 1 punch power, but there's very little to split him, Wlad, Joshua or even big pricey.

David haye was also a mega puncher but if he was to hit a pressure pad it'd certainly be lower than them guys I'd say. The Haye power is a mix of power and speed. The speeds key as his explosive power meant the big punch, or the hayemaker as he calls it, is the punch you don't see, it's so fast. So basically you're not prepared to defend or roll away to take some of the power out of it. Watch Haye batter enzo maccrenelli to see this.

The others guys, except maybe Joshua are pretty clear down on speed vs Haye and just have that huge guy power.

Wlad has the biggest straight right at range, then probably pricey. Joshua has the bigger uppercut and mid range hooks and shorter straight rights. Wilder has the biggest overhand right.

Agree, good breakdown...although I feel Haye and Wlads power/speed has now gradually diminished with age/life circumstances.

I think Joshua's power is really exaggerated. He always takes a lot of heavy shots to finish anyone.

Wilder and Klitschko have 10/10 power.

AJ is up there. Helenius hits really hard, but he's a bit too slow. If he were faster he'd be the hardest puncher today.

Ortiz isn't even sniffing 10/10 power. Povetkin's new found old man strength hits harder than Ortiz.

Dmitry Kudrayshov is clearly, definitely the number 1 p4p hardest puncher in Boxing currently, and by some distance.. his power is genuinely scary.

Beterbiev should be number 2, and Matthysse and Gassiev would have to be up there.

cuban glass wrote:Dmitry Kudrayshov is clearly, definitely the number 1 p4p hardest puncher in Boxing currently, and by some distance.. his power is genuinely scary.

Beterbiev should be number 2, and Matthysse and Gassiev would have to be up there.

Cuban Glass, I have to repeat, this is a thread about absolute punching power, not p4p.....

ValMar wrote:

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote: Any scale could be presented as a curve (with normal distribution - Gauss, or without)....
I wrote in opening post 10/10 = +95/100, if you want percentile - it would be 99th, of course it is roughly.....
If you have a thousand pro-boxers at HW - the answer is easy, you might add two or three CWs, and that is it........

So. if you arbitrarily set the bar at 99 percent for a 10/10 rating, then essentially your question is who makes up the 1% of active pro boxers who punch the hardest? OK, Boxrec lists 22,157 boxers. So you need about 200. So yes, the six you listed are all certainly in the top 200 hardest active punchers.

OMG, 1% of HWs, not all pro-boxers.....I will try again - There are 1 person out of 1000 with IQ 150 or over, but on Oxford there are six or seven students out of 1000 with IQ 150 or over......In this case Oxford = HW............If I knew for this kind of posts, I would never open this kind of thread. This is boxing forum, if you want to speak about literature or philosophy - I am ready, but not of this forum.....

OK, so if it's 1% of all heavyweights - that's not what you said before, you said all active boxers, but fine - so there are 12 boxers in it out of 1,200 active heavyweights.

IQ has nothing to do with it. This is an arbitrary distribution and as I say, you have to define the scale. It's pointless arguing about whether someone is an 8 or a 10 unless you have established what you mean by a 10. It seems you are looking for the 12 hardest heavyweight punchers in boxing today. Is that it?

punchoutsb wrote:Wilder and Klitschko have 10/10 power.

AJ is up there. Helenius hits really hard, but he's a bit too slow. If he were faster he'd be the hardest puncher today.

Ortiz isn't even sniffing 10/10 power. Povetkin's new found old man strength hits harder than Ortiz.

Depends entirely on your definition of "10/10 punching power", doesn't it.

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gp. wrote:
So. if you arbitrarily set the bar at 99 percent for a 10/10 rating, then essentially your question is who makes up the 1% of active pro boxers who punch the hardest? OK, Boxrec lists 22,157 boxers. So you need about 200. So yes, the six you listed are all certainly in the top 200 hardest active punchers.

OMG, 1% of HWs, not all pro-boxers.....I will try again - There are 1 person out of 1000 with IQ 150 or over, but on Oxford there are six or seven students out of 1000 with IQ 150 or over......In this case Oxford = HW............If I knew for this kind of posts, I would never open this kind of thread. This is boxing forum, if you want to speak about literature or philosophy - I am ready, but not of this forum.....

OK, so if it's 1% of all heavyweights - that's not what you said before, you said all active boxers, but fine - so there are 12 boxers in it out of 1,200 active heavyweights.

IQ has nothing to do with it. This is an arbitrary distribution and as I say, you have to define the scale. It's pointless arguing about whether someone is an 8 or a 10 unless you have established what you mean by a 10. It seems you are looking for the 12 hardest heavyweight punchers in boxing today. Is that it?

Simple, very simple question ---- the most powerful punchers in boxing nowadays (absolutely, not fukcing p4p)----nothing with statistics, Gauss, etc...etc.....

ValMar wrote:

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote: OMG, 1% of HWs, not all pro-boxers.....I will try again - There are 1 person out of 1000 with IQ 150 or over, but on Oxford there are six or seven students out of 1000 with IQ 150 or over......In this case Oxford = HW............If I knew for this kind of posts, I would never open this kind of thread. This is boxing forum, if you want to speak about literature or philosophy - I am ready, but not of this forum.....

OK, so if it's 1% of all heavyweights - that's not what you said before, you said all active boxers, but fine - so there are 12 boxers in it out of 1,200 active heavyweights.

IQ has nothing to do with it. This is an arbitrary distribution and as I say, you have to define the scale. It's pointless arguing about whether someone is an 8 or a 10 unless you have established what you mean by a 10. It seems you are looking for the 12 hardest heavyweight punchers in boxing today. Is that it?

Simple, very simple question ---- the most powerful punchers in boxing nowadays (absolutely, not fukcing p4p)----nothing with statistics, Gauss, etc...etc.....

But how fornicating many of them???

"10/10" is utterly arbitrary and means different things to different people. To some the best 200 deserve a 10/10 rating. To others only the best 5 deserve a 10/10 rating. Neither of these are right or wrong, it depends how you choose to allocate the rating. You have to define your scale. How many boxers do you think deserve a 10/10 rating for punching power? Give me an absolute number.

Otherwise you could have two people who both agree, for example, that David Haye is the 11th hardest puncher in boxing, but just bicker for hours about whether he deserves a 9 or a 10 because they are working off different scales, one where a 10 mark goes to the top 10 and the other where it goes to to the top 20.

Heavyweights punch the hardest of any weight division...

1. Joshua... 2. Ortiz... 3. Wilder... 4. Klitschko... 5. Parker... 6. Haye... 7. Povetkin... 8. Miller... 9. Breazeale... 10. Ugonoh

Wilder, Beterbiev, Kudryashov and Anthony Yarde are 4 of the hardest punchers in boxing today IMO, none of those guys need to load up to get people out of there, although it doesn't stop Wider windmilling the fvck out of guys

Kalan wrote:Heavyweights punch the hardest of any weight division...

1. Joshua... 2. Ortiz... 3. Wilder... 4. Klitschko... 5. Parker... 6. Haye... 7. Povetkin... 8. Miller... 9. Breazeale... 10. Ugonoh

Decent list.....

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gp. wrote:

OK, so if it's 1% of all heavyweights - that's not what you said before, you said all active boxers, but fine - so there are 12 boxers in it out of 1,200 active heavyweights.

IQ has nothing to do with it. This is an arbitrary distribution and as I say, you have to define the scale. It's pointless arguing about whether someone is an 8 or a 10 unless you have established what you mean by a 10. It seems you are looking for the 12 hardest heavyweight punchers in boxing today. Is that it?

Simple, very simple question ---- the most powerful punchers in boxing nowadays (absolutely, not fukcing p4p)----nothing with statistics, Gauss, etc...etc.....

But how effing many of them???

"10/10" is utterly arbitrary and means different things to different people. To some the best 200 deserve a 10/10 rating. To others only the best 5 deserve a 10/10 rating. Neither of these are right or wrong, it depends how you choose to allocate the rating. You have to define your scale. How many boxers do you think deserve a 10/10 rating for punching power? Give me an absolute number.

Otherwise you could have two people who both agree, for example, that David Haye is the 11th hardest puncher in boxing, but just bicker for hours about whether he deserves a 9 or a 10 because they are working off different scales, one where a 10 mark goes to the top 10 and the other where it goes to to the top 20.

Aristotel, imagine that you are punished to be punched once by active boxer, randomly. You have the right to avoid ten boxers...Please, make the list---1. 2.........10.....

Ossyrules wrote:There was a power thread a while back, it's pretty much impossible to sort out. I'd be tempted to say wilder has the absolute biggest 1 punch power, but there's very little to split him, Wlad, Joshua or even big pricey.

David haye was also a mega puncher but if he was to hit a pressure pad it'd certainly be lower than them guys I'd say. The Haye power is a mix of power and speed. The speeds key as his explosive power meant the big punch, or the hayemaker as he calls it, is the punch you don't see, it's so fast. So basically you're not prepared to defend or roll away to take some of the power out of it. Watch Haye batter enzo maccrenelli to see this.

The others guys, except maybe Joshua are pretty clear down on speed vs Haye and just have that huge guy power.

Wlad has the biggest straight right at range, then probably pricey. Joshua has the bigger uppercut and mid range hooks and shorter straight rights. Wilder has the biggest overhand right.

Spot on. I think Wlad's lost a little power in his right hand but when he lines it up just right - it's still got plenty of power. As yu say, it's all about throwing from the correct range where he can really extend it.

IronFrost wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I think even Briggs hits harder as most of them.

Bullshit. Briggs could not finish Zumbabo Love and Joshua made him in 2.

Wilder blasted Liahakovic in one round by brutal fashion and Briggs went distance if i remember.

Haye could not even hurt Bellew who got ktfo by light hw champion rofl.

As for topic -

Klitschko , Wilder hardest one ko punches

Joshua , Ortiz hardest combinations and and best power from close range

Ironfrost

asdfjkl is a f*cking idiot who knows f*ck all about boxing but likes to call boxers cowards (even though he never boxed himself). Don't take any of his posts seriously.

Taansend wrote:

IronFrost wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I think even Briggs hits harder as most of them.

Bullshit. Briggs could not finish Zumbabo Love and Joshua made him in 2.

Wilder blasted Liahakovic in one round by brutal fashion and Briggs went distance if i remember.

Haye could not even hurt Bellew who got ktfo by light hw champion rofl.

As for topic -

Klitschko , Wilder hardest one ko punches

Joshua , Ortiz hardest combinations and and best power from close range

Ironfrost

asdfjkl is a f*cking idiot who knows f*ck all about boxing but likes to call boxers cowards (even though he never boxed himself). Don't take any of his posts seriously.

Lol, ignores my post, spreads wrong info and doesn't even dare to join PTBF, but at the same time claims others to be fornicating idiots, how sad can you be?

ValMar wrote:

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote: Simple, very simple question ---- the most powerful punchers in boxing nowadays (absolutely, not fukcing p4p)----nothing with statistics, Gauss, etc...etc.....

But how effing many of them???

"10/10" is utterly arbitrary and means different things to different people. To some the best 200 deserve a 10/10 rating. To others only the best 5 deserve a 10/10 rating. Neither of these are right or wrong, it depends how you choose to allocate the rating. You have to define your scale. How many boxers do you think deserve a 10/10 rating for punching power? Give me an absolute number.

Otherwise you could have two people who both agree, for example, that David Haye is the 11th hardest puncher in boxing, but just bicker for hours about whether he deserves a 9 or a 10 because they are working off different scales, one where a 10 mark goes to the top 10 and the other where it goes to to the top 20.

Aristotel, imagine that you are punished to be punched once by active boxer, randomly. You have the right to avoid ten boxers...Please, make the list---1. 2.........10.....

So if all you wanted was a list of the ten best punchers in boxing today, why did you spend so much time bickering over whether Luis Ortiz was a 7 out of 10? That's the reason I got involved. I'm not particularly interested in reading a lot of people's slightly varying lists of names, and I am 100% certain that nobody is interested in reading mine.

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gp. wrote:

But how effing many of them???

"10/10" is utterly arbitrary and means different things to different people. To some the best 200 deserve a 10/10 rating. To others only the best 5 deserve a 10/10 rating. Neither of these are right or wrong, it depends how you choose to allocate the rating. You have to define your scale. How many boxers do you think deserve a 10/10 rating for punching power? Give me an absolute number.

Otherwise you could have two people who both agree, for example, that David Haye is the 11th hardest puncher in boxing, but just bicker for hours about whether he deserves a 9 or a 10 because they are working off different scales, one where a 10 mark goes to the top 10 and the other where it goes to to the top 20.

Aristotel, imagine that you are punished to be punched once by active boxer, randomly. You have the right to avoid ten boxers...Please, make the list---1. 2.........10.....

So if all you wanted was a list of the ten best punchers in boxing today, why did you spend so much time bickering over whether Luis Ortiz was a 7 out of 10? That's the reason I got involved. I'm not particularly interested in reading a lot of people's slightly varying lists of names, and I am 100% certain that nobody is interested in reading mine.

gp. Do not be angry, but you are very complicated person. BTW, who is your favourite writer ?

Kalan wrote:Heavyweights punch the hardest of any weight division...

1. Joshua... 2. Ortiz... 3. Wilder... 4. Klitschko... 5. Parker... 6. Haye... 7. Povetkin... 8. Miller... 9. Breazeale... 10. Ugonoh

9. Breazeale - does he punch hard? From I've seen its moderate power

I'm certain big David price punches harder. I'd also wager former breazeale opponent mansour punches harder

handsofstone wrote:Wilder, Beterbiev, Kudryashov and Anthony Yarde are 4 of the hardest punchers in boxing today IMO, none of those guys need to load up to get people out of there, although it doesn't stop Wider windmilling the fvck out of guys

I don't rate wilder but his power really is top draw. Especially since he has no real legs to draw power from. Well very skinny legs anyway.

I'd argue about him not winding up though, the guy is the proverbial cartoon character revving up a big punch