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Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 03 Sep 2017, 10:30
by sweetsci
Tried to find info on the Frazier-Ali undercard via newspaper searches. Couldn't find anything about Norton being on the card. Finding whomever his opponent was supposed to be, if his autobiography is correct and he was supposed to be on the card, will require more digging.
I was watching the first Salvador Sanchez - Danny Lopez fight on YouTube. The CBS announcers were talking about upcoming programming and advertised a Mike Rossman - Ramon Ranquello rematch in late February 1980. As it turned out, Rossman pulled out and Michael Spinks stepped in. This was Spinks' first tv appearance in quite some time and it basically started the ball rolling to his winning the title.
Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 19:41
by sweetviolenturge
sweetsci wrote:Tried to find info on the Frazier-Ali undercard via newspaper searches. Couldn't find anything about Norton being on the card. Finding whomever his opponent was supposed to be, if his autobiography is correct and he was supposed to be on the card, will require more digging.
I was watching the first Salvador Sanchez - Danny Lopez fight on YouTube. The CBS announcers were talking about upcoming programming and advertised a Mike Rossman - Ramon Ranquello rematch in late February 1980. As it turned out, Rossman pulled out and Michael Spinks stepped in. This was Spinks' first tv appearance in quite some time and it basically started the ball rolling to his winning the title.
There you go again. That's a good one. I remember that.
Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 21:53
by HomicideHenry
Evander Holyfield vs Francisco Damiani
James J. Jeffries vs Bill Squires
Tommy Burns vs Sam McVey
Jack Johnson vs Sam Langford II
(Was apart of the agreement from the London Athletic Club)
Jack Dempsey vs Harry Wills
John L. Sullivan vs George Godfrey
Teofilio Stevenson vs Muhammad Ali
Rocky Marciano vs Floyd Patterson
(Gillette Cavalcade of Sports; exhibition)
Butterbean vs Joe Bugner
Larry Holmes vs Juan Carlos Gomez
John Ruiz vs Lennox Lewis
Chris Byrd vs Roy Jones Junior
Mike Tyson vs Vitali Klitschko
Mike Tyson vs Skip Hill
(Exhibition; Hill was replaced with Corey Sanders)
Primo Carnera vs Helio Gracie
Joe Louis vs Helio Gracie
Gerry Cooney vs Mike Weaver
Muhammad Ali vs John Tate/Mike Weaver
Rocky Marciano vs Ingemar Johansson
Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 05 Sep 2017, 13:56
by Caractacus
sweetsci wrote:Tried to find info on the Frazier-Ali undercard via newspaper searches. Couldn't find anything about Norton being on the card. Finding whomever his opponent was supposed to be, if his autobiography is correct and he was supposed to be on the card, will require more digging.
I was watching the first Salvador Sanchez - Danny Lopez fight on YouTube. The CBS announcers were talking about upcoming programming and advertised a Mike Rossman - Ramon Ranquello rematch in late February 1980. As it turned out, Rossman pulled out and Michael Spinks stepped in. This was Spinks' first tv appearance in quite some time and it basically started the ball rolling to his winning the title.
There was an entire book published about that particular fight called FIGHT OF THE CENTURY,
maybe the answer is in there somewhere.
also I had a thread a few years ago about Ken Norton's earliest recorded film/video-taped fights that has since been deleted.
But I had a link to a youtube clip from around ca.1970-1971 ( as I can recall)
where Ken Norton can be seen in the ring in the background in his robe and he looks to be getting ready for a fight.
It looked like a "Walk-Out" fight.
for some reason (going by memory) I seem to remember Joe Frazier was involved somehow,
either fighting or being inter-viewed.My memory thinks it was in NYC.
However it doesn't appear that Ken Norton had not fought on any of Joe Frazier's fights,
so my memory could be in error.But I'm still trying to remember what clip I saw this in.
Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 05 Sep 2017, 21:32
by sweetviolenturge
Caractacus wrote:sweetsci wrote:Tried to find info on the Frazier-Ali undercard via newspaper searches. Couldn't find anything about Norton being on the card. Finding whomever his opponent was supposed to be, if his autobiography is correct and he was supposed to be on the card, will require more digging.
I was watching the first Salvador Sanchez - Danny Lopez fight on YouTube. The CBS announcers were talking about upcoming programming and advertised a Mike Rossman - Ramon Ranquello rematch in late February 1980. As it turned out, Rossman pulled out and Michael Spinks stepped in. This was Spinks' first tv appearance in quite some time and it basically started the ball rolling to his winning the title.
There was an entire book published about that particular fight called FIGHT OF THE CENTURY,
maybe the answer is in there somewhere.
also I had a thread a few years ago about Ken Norton's earliest recorded film/video-taped fights that has since been deleted.
But I had a link to a youtube clip from around ca.1970-1971 ( as I can recall)
where Ken Norton can be seen in the ring in the background in his robe and he looks to be getting ready for a fight.
It looked like a "Walk-Out" fight.
for some reason (going by memory) I seem to remember Joe Frazier was involved somehow,
either fighting or being inter-viewed.My memory thinks it was in NYC.
However it doesn't appear that Ken Norton had not fought on any of Joe Frazier's fights,
so my memory could be in error.But I'm still trying to remember what clip I saw this in.
Oh, man, that's too bad that the thread you mention was deleted. I'd have loved to have read it.
I became a boxing fan when I was 14 in 1976 & Norton fought Ron Stander on the undercard of the second fight event that I ever watched. That being Ali's dubious decision win over Jimmy Young. Anyhow, Norton became my first favorite fighter.
So, what was determined to be Norton's first filmed/recorded fight?
Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 07 Sep 2017, 17:11
by Caractacus
I think Norton vrs Henry Clark which was the preliminary to the Muhammad Ali vrs Bob Foster closed-circuit televised fight from November
1972. As far as the earliest video footage of Ken Norton,I think that may be his sparring session with Ron Lyle,
when 60 minutes first did their story on Ron Lyle when he was up and coming and sent him to spar with Joe Frazier when Frazier was preparing to fight Muhammad Ali for the first time in 1971.Frazier refused to spar with Lyle so Norton did it instead. (they repeated and also updated the story 2 more times,
when he was going to fight Jerry Quarry and again for the last time when he got a shot at the HW title against Muhammad Ali in 1975.
Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 07 Sep 2017, 17:15
by Caractacus
Joe Louis vrs Johnny Risko was scheduled for December.14.1936,but Risko fractured his ribs during training
and Eddie Simms took his place.
Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 05:42
by Syntax Error
elmersalsa wrote:Syntax Error wrote:Tyson v Holyfield, Autumn 1991.
This fight would've been probably in the same breath of the Ali vs Frazier I in terms of anticipation. I was so disappointed that it didn't happened then. It had that aura.
Agreed.
I was so excited for that fight (moreso than any other at that point), even though I thought Tyson wasn't quite the same animal he was previously, I thought he'd put paid to Holyfield anyway, but looking back, I think Holyfield would have exposed him badly.
Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 15 Sep 2017, 14:00
by elmersalsa
sweetviolenturge wrote:Speaking of Duran, he was actually originally scheduled to fight Wilfred Benitez in a 10 round non-title fight at MSG on 11/18/77, but he pulled out of the fight leaving Benitez to fight a replacement opponent in Bruce Curry. Though Curry was unbeaten in 13 pro fights at that point he was a rather green prospect & not yet a contender so Benitez slacked off in his preparation. Which nearly cost him when he showed up in mediocre shape & uninspired. Curry dropped him twice toward the end of the 4th round & then dropped him again early in the fifth. Which would have been enough to earn Curry the decision had in been scored on points but at the time in NYS all fights were scored on the rounds system. So Benitez was able to win a split decision when the referee's score of 5-4-1 for Curry was overruled by the two judge's scores of 5-4-1 & 7-3 for Benitez.
The two met again three months later on 2/4/78 with a better conditioned & focused Benitez winning a majority decision over Curry by scores of 9-1, 7-3 & 5-5.
Why The Hands of Stone pulled out of the fight against the great Wilfred Benitez in '77?
Re: George Chuvalo vs Earnie Shavers & other signed bouts that never occurred.
Posted: 17 Sep 2017, 04:29
by evrenb
Caractacus wrote:sweetsci wrote:Tried to find info on the Frazier-Ali undercard via newspaper searches. Couldn't find anything about Norton being on the card. Finding whomever his opponent was supposed to be, if his autobiography is correct and he was supposed to be on the card, will require more digging.
I was watching the first Salvador Sanchez - Danny Lopez fight on YouTube. The CBS announcers were talking about upcoming programming and advertised a Mike Rossman - Ramon Ranquello rematch in late February 1980. As it turned out, Rossman pulled out and Michael Spinks stepped in. This was Spinks' first tv appearance in quite some time and it basically started the ball rolling to his winning the title.
There was an entire book published about that particular fight called FIGHT OF THE CENTURY,
maybe the answer is in there somewhere.
also I had a thread a few years ago about Ken Norton's earliest recorded film/video-taped fights that has since been deleted.
But I had a link to a youtube clip from around ca.1970-1971 ( as I can recall)
where Ken Norton can be seen in the ring in the background in his robe and he looks to be getting ready for a fight.
It looked like a "Walk-Out" fight.
for some reason (going by memory) I seem to remember Joe Frazier was involved somehow,
either fighting or being inter-viewed.My memory thinks it was in NYC.
However it doesn't appear that Ken Norton had not fought on any of Joe Frazier's fights,
so my memory could be in error.But I'm still trying to remember what clip I saw this in.
I could be wrong but I think you are talking about a Jimmy young fight. At msg on the undercard of Patterson vs Bonavena...against Jasper Evans.