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John David Jackson putting Kov's business out there like this should just ensure that no other fighter worth a damn bothers to hire Jackson as their trainer. If you can't be a professional with confidential info, you have no business being in the position to receive it.

gilgamesh wrote:John David Jackson putting Kov's business out there like this should just ensure that no other fighter worth a damn bothers to hire Jackson as their trainer. If you can't be a professional with confidential info, you have no business being in the position to receive it.

True.

I have not read any of his diatribe(s). Do not need a trainer or anyone else to tell me what I witnessed in the rematch; Krushedner quit.

Tanzio wrote:We all saw him quit.

I called it at the time. Couldn't believe the uproar afterwards.

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:John David Jackson putting Kov's business out there like this should just ensure that no other fighter worth a damn bothers to hire Jackson as their trainer. If you can't be a professional with confidential info, you have no business being in the position to receive it.

True.

I have not read any of his diatribe(s). Do not need a trainer or anyone else to tell me what I witnessed in the rematch; Krushedner quit.

Yeah pretty much. Tony Weeks definitely should've been issuing warnings or point deductions for some of those egregious low blows, but rather than looking to the referee and complaining Kovalev should've been low blowing Ward back. That's what I'd do in the ring. You hit me in the balls, and the ref don't say nothing to you...I'm gonna hit you twice in the balls, or headbutt you in the face or something.

Tanzio wrote: There is no "OR." The only cards that count leaned toward SOGgy in the first fight. Krushedner quit in the rematch.

Reality can be a bitch, or it can create an army of bitches.

Or an army of IDIOTS, which you know plenty about.

Ossyrules wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:I felt a bit sorry for the amount of heat that John David Jackson is receiving from the die-hard Krusher fan-base, so I wanted to articulate my belief about how badly trainers are generally treated in the extremely harsh world of professional boxing, but The Ring’s Doug Fischer has already explained the situation far better than I could ever do:

I think Jackson is admitting that professional boxing trainers are, for the most part, “hired guns.” The reality is that they have to go where the money is in order to make a living, and only a very small percentage get rich. The vast majority – even those who train world-class fighters – just get by.

Like the fighters, trainers do not have a pension (or medical insurance or anything like that) set up through the sport, so they have to take care of themselves or wind up broke and in bad shape when they are no longer able to train for a living.

Well, maybe Jackson saying on record that he’d split from a fighter that he’s loyal to for the right amount of money is some gamesmanship on his part and directed to Kovalev’s advisers and management. It’s his way of saying “Don’t take me for granted, and don’t get cheap on me.”

I know that’s kind of harsh, but boxing is a harsh business and the trainers need to be businessmen every bit as much as the fighters need to be. If they aren’t, trust me, they will get F__KED. Everybody gets screwed over in boxing at some point, but nobody gets taken advantage of and jerked around as much as trainers do (because there aren’t mandatory contracts between them and fighters as the fighters have with managers and promoters).

I’ve known Jackson since the late 1990s (when he was still fighting), I’ve witnessed his entire training career, and I can tell you that he had been royally f__ked over by fighters and their managers more than once after giving his heart and soul during training camp. He’s in his 50s now and you better believe that the business of boxing has hardened him in ways the ring never did. These days, he’s up front about getting paid what he deserves and what he’s owed. The late, great Eddie Futch and Emanuel Steward were no different.

You tell me that “The bond between trainer and fighter is supposed to be paramount…” Well, if that’s true, why do so many fighters leave their long-time trainers? That happens all the time. When a fighter loses for the first time or has a poor night, who gets the blame nine out of 10 times? What do members of the fighter’s entourage start whispering in his ear? What do fans loudly demand on social media? I think you know. Don’t act naïve.

Loyalty should be a two-way street shouldn’t it?

The above was written just before the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

I feel that Doug Fischer’s words are rather prophetic, don’t you?

I know you're not keen on kovalev EO, but if this guy had an ounce of class he doesn't give these details in an interview. I'm no kovalev fanboy, but this interview from him is low and unprofessional. We shouldn't be surprised by his comments in camp for ward rematch

I've always been a fan of Kovalev's boxing ability. There are no posts in this forum where I've criticised Sergey's sporting prowess.

I also posted the following about this matter on another thread, which was written before you posted this message...

Enlightened-One wrote:Perhaps John David Jackson should have behaved more professionally by keeping schtum, but he was obviously písséd off about being mistreated, taking part of the blame for Kovalev’s last two defeats and then getting sacked. He’s a human being and has every right to be angry!

It's important to note that Kovalev partially blamed Jackson for his defeat and then sacked him before the American trainer expressed his frustration.

For the record, Sergey Kovalev's antics outside the ring often make it incredibly difficult to like the man as a human being and it's also really hard to justify some of his behaviour.

crow wrote:

Tanzio wrote: There is no "OR." The only cards that count leaned toward SOGgy in the first fight. Krushedner quit in the rematch.

Reality can be a bitch, or it can create an army of bitches.

Or an army of IDIOTS, which you know plenty about.

Yep, I know all I need to about the legions of crowbars.

Ossyrules wrote:Maybe kovalev is an arsehole I don't know

But this Jackson guy is a proven arsehole giving this interview. The guys got no class and just sounds like a gobshite

how true what a dick head Jackson seems slagging his fighter off .

gilgamesh wrote:John David Jackson putting Kov's business out there like this should just ensure that no other fighter worth a damn bothers to hire Jackson as their trainer. If you can't be a professional with confidential info, you have no business being in the position to receive it.

gilgamesh wrote:John David Jackson putting Kov's business out there like this should just ensure that no other fighter worth a damn bothers to hire Jackson as their trainer. If you can't be a professional with confidential info, you have no business being in the position to receive it.

John David Jackson said that he wasn't being paid was he was supposed to and was then sacked.

In a scenario like that, do you still possess a professional duty of care to protect the privacy of an individual that mistreated you?

I'm not necessarily endorsing Jackson's actions, but when an employee takes a former employer to court/tribunal for constructive or unfair dismissal, relevant confidential information is not protected, it's disclosed to the public and is easily accessible.

Personally speaking, I wouldn't have reacted the way that John David Jackson did, but I doubt there's anyone from this forum that can sincerely claim that they've never behaved irrationally when emotions are running high.

All I know is if I were a boxer I'd hire damn near any trainer before I'd hire John David Jackson after this.

paddy chavez wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:John David Jackson putting Kov's business out there like this should just ensure that no other fighter worth a damn bothers to hire Jackson as their trainer. If you can't be a professional with confidential info, you have no business being in the position to receive it.

..I wonder what Jackson would have said, had Kovalev won..

greg wrote:..I wonder what Jackson would have said, had Kovalev won..

That's exactly it. He comes across here as a fair weather friend. Who needs him?

gilgamesh wrote:

greg wrote:..I wonder what Jackson would have said, had Kovalev won..

That's exactly it. He comes across here as a fair weather friend. Who needs him?

A fair weather friend? Jackson got sacked and was blamed for Kovalev's loss.

Enlightened-One wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

greg wrote:..I wonder what Jackson would have said, had Kovalev won..

That's exactly it. He comes across here as a fair weather friend. Who needs him?

A fair weather friend? Jackson got sacked and was blamed for Kovalev's loss.

So?

Not uncommon for fighters to change trainers after a loss. That don't mean you go out blabbing sh*t he told to you in confidence when you were working with him.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:I felt a bit sorry for the amount of heat that John David Jackson is receiving from the die-hard Krusher fan-base, so I wanted to articulate my belief about how badly trainers are generally treated in the extremely harsh world of professional boxing, but The Ring’s Doug Fischer has already explained the situation far better than I could ever do:

I think Jackson is admitting that professional boxing trainers are, for the most part, “hired guns.” The reality is that they have to go where the money is in order to make a living, and only a very small percentage get rich. The vast majority – even those who train world-class fighters – just get by.

Like the fighters, trainers do not have a pension (or medical insurance or anything like that) set up through the sport, so they have to take care of themselves or wind up broke and in bad shape when they are no longer able to train for a living.

Well, maybe Jackson saying on record that he’d split from a fighter that he’s loyal to for the right amount of money is some gamesmanship on his part and directed to Kovalev’s advisers and management. It’s his way of saying “Don’t take me for granted, and don’t get cheap on me.”

I know that’s kind of harsh, but boxing is a harsh business and the trainers need to be businessmen every bit as much as the fighters need to be. If they aren’t, trust me, they will get F__KED. Everybody gets screwed over in boxing at some point, but nobody gets taken advantage of and jerked around as much as trainers do (because there aren’t mandatory contracts between them and fighters as the fighters have with managers and promoters).

I’ve known Jackson since the late 1990s (when he was still fighting), I’ve witnessed his entire training career, and I can tell you that he had been royally f__ked over by fighters and their managers more than once after giving his heart and soul during training camp. He’s in his 50s now and you better believe that the business of boxing has hardened him in ways the ring never did. These days, he’s up front about getting paid what he deserves and what he’s owed. The late, great Eddie Futch and Emanuel Steward were no different.

You tell me that “The bond between trainer and fighter is supposed to be paramount…” Well, if that’s true, why do so many fighters leave their long-time trainers? That happens all the time. When a fighter loses for the first time or has a poor night, who gets the blame nine out of 10 times? What do members of the fighter’s entourage start whispering in his ear? What do fans loudly demand on social media? I think you know. Don’t act naïve.

Loyalty should be a two-way street shouldn’t it?

The above was written just before the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

I feel that Doug Fischer’s words are rather prophetic, don’t you?

I know you're not keen on kovalev EO, but if this guy had an ounce of class he doesn't give these details in an interview. I'm no kovalev fanboy, but this interview from him is low and unprofessional. We shouldn't be surprised by his comments in camp for ward rematch

I've always been a fan of Kovalev's boxing ability. There are no posts in this forum where I've criticised Sergey's sporting prowess.

I also posted the following about this matter on another thread, which was written before you posted this message...

Enlightened-One wrote:Perhaps John David Jackson should have behaved more professionally by keeping schtum, but he was obviously písséd off about being mistreated, taking part of the blame for Kovalev’s last two defeats and then getting sacked. He’s a human being and has every right to be angry!

It's important to note that Kovalev partially blamed Jackson for his defeat and then sacked him before the American trainer expressed his frustration.

For the record, Sergey Kovalev's antics outside the ring often make it incredibly difficult to like the man as a human being and it's also really hard to justify some of his behaviour.

Yes the blame game smacks of no class, no accountability, and just smells of excuses, so if kovalev is playing that game too, then...

Kovalev won the first fight, but yes, he did quit in the second fighting against Ward+Weeks duo. JDJ on the other hand is a dirty traitor.

boxing_rocks wrote:Kovalev won the first fight, but yes, he did quit in the second fighting against Ward+Weeks duo. JDJ on the other hand is a dirty traitor.

He didn't exactly quit he just reacted to low blows, and kept not responding in kind. He was gonna get stopped though the way it was going, just shouldn't have been by low blows.

IKSRTFO wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Hopefully this finally puts to rest all the Krusher was robbed BS.

So the first fight never happened where Kovalev clearly could've been the victor? Man, such a dumb comment. Also, those low blows never happened in the second fight?

If both were surely true, Kovalev wouldn't be so mentally destroyed after two fights. So many butthurt Kovalev fans and the guy won't even come back and show the heart of a champion. How many fights Hopkins and Marquez claim to be robbed in? you never seen those two crying about leaving boxing.

I'm not a kovalev fan or ward fan for the record, but respect they are both elite boxers... but

Hopkins cried big when losing the Calzaghe decision

Marquez wasn't jumping for joy losing the Pacquaio decisions that could have gone for him

Kovalev fans have a legit argument thinking their fighter won the first fight. Ultimately it's pointless as ward got the fortuitous decision on the night, but still...

At the same time the Castillo fans may be aggrieved their man didn't get the Mayweather decision, collazo fans aggrieved he didn't get the Hatton decision, and so on... you get my point. This happens in boxing

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:John David Jackson putting Kov's business out there like this should just ensure that no other fighter worth a damn bothers to hire Jackson as their trainer. If you can't be a professional with confidential info, you have no business being in the position to receive it.

True.

I have not read any of his diatribe(s). Do not need a trainer or anyone else to tell me what I witnessed in the rematch; Krushedner quit.

I know you like to stick it to kovalev fans... but whether he quit or not isn't the point in this thread

Kovalev is your Achilles heel, a lot of your posts are good, but anything kovalev you just become a hater

Kovalev's die-hard fans apply double-standards.

Krusher can seemingly do no wrong, but woe betide if anybody else behaves in a similar manner, because they'll then be considered as utter vile specimens of humanity!

I am actually a huge fan of Sergey's boxing ability, but his behaviour outside the ring troubles me... so it seems a tad silly to aggressively lambast individuals like John David Jackson for reacting harshly to an adverse situation that Kovalev is solely responsible for.

By the way, did anybody watch the beginning of the Ward-Kovalev rematch, when the referee was giving his final instructions (just before the bell rang for the start of the first round)?

Blodhemn wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Hopefully this finally puts to rest all the Krusher was robbed BS.

Because a trainer is upset that his "cash cow" no longer employs him? I'm really surprised their relationship lasted as long as it did. I think JDJ was willing to put up with Kovalev's asshole attitude as long as he was winning. Not saying their isn't some truth to what he's saying, but JDJ likes to inject himself into the situation. Folding Kovalev up with body shots? Sure man. JDJ used to act like GGG and Ward are nothing as well. JDJ takes them all to school in his prime!

I am pretty sure that JDJ betrayed Kovalev before the fight. What other trainer would negotiate with a camp of his fighter's bitter opponent? He should have plain refused talking to them.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Hopefully this finally puts to rest all the Krusher was robbed BS.

So the first fight never happened where Kovalev clearly could've been the victor? Man, such a dumb comment. Also, those low blows never happened in the second fight?

Guess I was wrong, the whining will go on. Kovalev had a legitimate claim to say he won the first, but the fact is he gassed and left it to the judges by letting Ward win the latter rounds. In the second fight he was still not in top shape, and got out-smarted and out-fought. A couple may have been low but he was not fighting a totally clean fight either.

Marquez and Hopkins have each claimed to have been robbed against multiple oponents. I wouldnt have expected them to be used as examples of good losers!