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Badhusker wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:No justification??? Are outrageous cards against Trout, Lara and Floyd not enough?

Are similar cards gifted to dozens of A side/hometown fighters not enough?

I've asked you to provide justification for your accusations.

I exist in an evidence-based version of reality where facts really do matter.

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

That is easy, just looking at his fight with Floyd. Moretti gave it to Floyd 116-112, when Floyd won every round.

No he didn't.

Tanzio wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I've asked you to provide justification for your accusations.

I exist in an evidence-based version of reality where facts really do matter.

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

That is easy, just looking at his fight with Floyd. Moretti gave it to Floyd 116-112, when Floyd won every round.

No he didn't.

Yes he did. Was there a round that Canelo deserved to win? I think you are missing the whole point. Giving Canelo even more than one round is a robbery. The idiot judge that scored it even should be shot. Even Metcalf scoring 117-111 was a joke.

Badhusker wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

That is easy, just looking at his fight with Floyd. Moretti gave it to Floyd 116-112, when Floyd won every round.

No he didn't.

Yes he did. Was there a round that Canelo deserved to win? I think you are missing the whole point. Giving Canelo even more than one round is a robbery. The idiot judge that scored it even should be shot. Even Metcalf scoring 117-111 was a joke.

The draw card was out of line. 116-112 / 117-111 was about right, imo. Not because GingerHead earned it as much as FMJ gifted it. It wasn't that close but that is how the rounds went.

Badhusker wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:No justification??? Are outrageous cards against Trout, Lara and Floyd not enough?

Are similar cards gifted to dozens of A side/hometown fighters not enough?

I've asked you to provide justification for your accusations.

I exist in an evidence-based version of reality where facts really do matter.

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

That is easy, just looking at his fight with Floyd. Moretti gave it to Floyd 116-112, when Floyd won every round.

That's not an unreasonable scorecard, since Mayweather took it easy for a few rounds in that fight. Floyd didn't win every single round.

I'll ask the very same question again...

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

pound per pound wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Come on, AC. You know the answer to this. IF, or should I say, WHEN Canelo steals the decision then he's long gone and will never fight GGG again. The real question should be " DO YOU THINK THAT GGG KNOWS THAT HE NEEDS A KNOCKOUT TO WIN THIS FIGHT?"

This really is disappointing. We have a great match up here, and the judge's votes if it goes the distance are already in.

Yes, both Canelo and Golovkin know the close rounds will go to Canelo. This alters the strategy of both fighters.

See, i don't think that GGG knows that this fight is already set up to lose. He's not familiar with Vegas and boxers always have a bloated image of self when it comes to their success. GGG's walked right into a fleecing willingly and naively.

Moretti is the most corrupt judge in the history of the sport. I'd love to know if the LV Boxing Commission appoints him or if he's requested by the promoter or A side boxer. That would be of interest to me. I'm sure they will say it's commission appointed but it's all smokescreens. Dave Moretti scored 11 out of 12 rounds for Canelo in his fight with Cotto. Most of those rounds were super close. That should clearly show what GGG is up against in this one. Cotto clearly won more rounds in that fight.

caldo2025 wrote:

pound per pound wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Come on, AC. You know the answer to this. IF, or should I say, WHEN Canelo steals the decision then he's long gone and will never fight GGG again. The real question should be " DO YOU THINK THAT GGG KNOWS THAT HE NEEDS A KNOCKOUT TO WIN THIS FIGHT?"

This really is disappointing. We have a great match up here, and the judge's votes if it goes the distance are already in.

Yes, both Canelo and Golovkin know the close rounds will go to Canelo. This alters the strategy of both fighters.

See, i don't think that GGG knows that this fight is already set up to lose. He's not familiar with Vegas and boxers always have a bloated image of self when it comes to their success. GGG's walked right into a fleecing willingly and naively.

Moretti is the most corrupt judge in the history of the sport. I'd love to know if the LV Boxing Commission appoints him or if he's requested by the promoter or A side boxer. That would be of interest to me. I'm sure they will say it's commission appointed but it's all smokescreens. Dave Moretti scored 11 out of 12 rounds for Canelo in his fight with Cotto. Most of those rounds were super close. That should clearly show what GGG is up against in this one. Cotto clearly won more rounds in that fight.

Both Sanchez and GGG know what they are up against. Kovalev vs Ward 1 didn't happen decades ago. Here is what Sanchez said:
http://www.BS.com/golovkin-tra ... lt--119663

gilgamesh wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Come on, AC. You know the answer to this. IF, or should I say, WHEN Canelo steals the decision then he's long gone and will never fight GGG again. The real question should be " DO YOU THINK THAT GGG KNOWS THAT HE NEEDS A KNOCKOUT TO WIN THIS FIGHT?"

Obviously if it's gonna be a robbery, NO rematch for GGG! That's the point of a crooked decision.

You'd think so, but they did Ward vs Kovalev 2.

There was an iron-clad rematch clause for both fighters for Kovalev-Ward ... Ward kept saying "I may retire... I may retire..." all the time in training.

Canelo may prove that he's a hell of a fighter i.e mixing well boxing with swarming.

I think that a better question is . . . If GingerHead gets legitimately defeated by 3G will he exercise his rematch clause?

Tanzio wrote:I think that a better question is . . . If GingerHead gets legitimately defeated by 3G will he exercise his rematch clause?

Yeah but GGG would be 40 y/o till then.

caldo2025 wrote:Come on, AC. You know the answer to this. IF, or should I say, WHEN Canelo steals the decision then he's long gone and will never fight GGG again. The real question should be " DO YOU THINK THAT GGG KNOWS THAT HE NEEDS A KNOCKOUT TO WIN THIS FIGHT?"

Don't know why some of you bother with this sport.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I've asked you to provide justification for your accusations.

I exist in an evidence-based version of reality where facts really do matter.

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

That is easy, just looking at his fight with Floyd. Moretti gave it to Floyd 116-112, when Floyd won every round.

That's not an unreasonable scorecard, since Mayweather took it easy for a few rounds in that fight. Floyd didn't win every single round.

I'll ask the very same question again...

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

Here is another answer..... Moretti's 119-109 score of Canelo over Cotto. That fight was much, much closer than Floyd vs Canelo where he only gave it to Floyd by 116-112.

Badhusker wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

That is easy, just looking at his fight with Floyd. Moretti gave it to Floyd 116-112, when Floyd won every round.

That's not an unreasonable scorecard, since Mayweather took it easy for a few rounds in that fight. Floyd didn't win every single round.

I'll ask the very same question again...

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

Here is another answer..... Moretti's 119-109 score of Canelo over Cotto. That fight was much, much closer than Floyd vs Canelo where he only gave it to Floyd by 116-112.

So that's the very best you can do? You can't do any better than that?

The International Business Times scored the bout 118-110 to Canelo. Harold Lederman (HBO), BoxingInsider.com and The Ring all deemed Alvarez a worthy winner by a 117-111 margin.

Whilst the 119-109 Moretti scorecard was a little wide of the mark, it wasn't "unreasonably" so, since there were almost certainly a contingent of journalists amongst the media that thought that Canelo deserved his victory by a similar margin.

Simply put: if you can't provide any compelling evidence to substantiate your criminal accusations, then you've got nothing.

It seems to me that you (and other like-minded people) are clearly unable to answer one rather simple question, which is...

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

EO

apollo creed wrote:EO

You may laugh, but I only asked one simple question, which no one seems to be able to answer, despite their penchant for accusing the Canelo-GGG officials as being corrupt.

Let me ask the same question again...

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

Enlightened-One wrote:

apollo creed wrote:EO

You may laugh, but I only asked one simple question, which no one seems to be able to answer, despite their penchant for accusing the Canelo-GGG officials as being corrupt.

Let me ask the same question again...

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

EO, you can look in a mirror and ask this question as many times you want and then post here the answers you got.

boxing_rocks wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

pound per pound wrote:

This really is disappointing. We have a great match up here, and the judge's votes if it goes the distance are already in.

Yes, both Canelo and Golovkin know the close rounds will go to Canelo. This alters the strategy of both fighters.

See, i don't think that GGG knows that this fight is already set up to lose. He's not familiar with Vegas and boxers always have a bloated image of self when it comes to their success. GGG's walked right into a fleecing willingly and naively.

Moretti is the most corrupt judge in the history of the sport. I'd love to know if the LV Boxing Commission appoints him or if he's requested by the promoter or A side boxer. That would be of interest to me. I'm sure they will say it's commission appointed but it's all smokescreens. Dave Moretti scored 11 out of 12 rounds for Canelo in his fight with Cotto. Most of those rounds were super close. That should clearly show what GGG is up against in this one. Cotto clearly won more rounds in that fight.

Both Sanchez and GGG know what they are up against. Kovalev vs Ward 1 didn't happen decades ago. Here is what Sanchez said:
http://www.BS.com/golovkin-tra ... lt--119663

Nice, thank you. Knocking out Canelo...hmmm. Just not an easy task man. I'd love to see it not go to the cards because once again, I'm hearing that the casual and novice boxing fan is going to be tuning in for this one. The sting of Floyd/Manny gone, the last thing we need is a corrupt and unjust decision in this one. it would be horrible for the sport.

caldo2025 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
See, i don't think that GGG knows that this fight is already set up to lose. He's not familiar with Vegas and boxers always have a bloated image of self when it comes to their success. GGG's walked right into a fleecing willingly and naively.

Moretti is the most corrupt judge in the history of the sport. I'd love to know if the LV Boxing Commission appoints him or if he's requested by the promoter or A side boxer. That would be of interest to me. I'm sure they will say it's commission appointed but it's all smokescreens. Dave Moretti scored 11 out of 12 rounds for Canelo in his fight with Cotto. Most of those rounds were super close. That should clearly show what GGG is up against in this one. Cotto clearly won more rounds in that fight.

Both Sanchez and GGG know what they are up against. Kovalev vs Ward 1 didn't happen decades ago. Here is what Sanchez said:
http://www.BS.com/golovkin-tra ... lt--119663

Nice, thank you. Knocking out Canelo...hmmm. Just not an easy task man. I'd love to see it not go to the cards because once again, I'm hearing that the casual and novice boxing fan is going to be tuning in for this one. The sting of Floyd/Manny gone, the last thing we need is a corrupt and unjust decision in this one. it would be horrible for the sport.

GGG can do it, but he has to fight smart using his jab while keeping the pressure on Canelo. Canelo is used to fighting guys lately that don't have the skills, are weight drained or the chin to compete. Anguelo and Kirkland had to lose 40+ lbs in a short time, JCC jr was drained too. Smith was a weak belt holder, Khan is a welter with a glass jaw, and Lara ran too much. Imagine if Lara had GGG's punch. GGG is totally different than Lara, but with excellent over-all skills. Canelo will be in trouble late when he tries resting on the ropes. Sanchez is right, it is their fault if they lose.

apollo creed wrote: EO, you can look in a mirror

Wouldn't that be a cruel and unusual punishment?

boxing_rocks wrote:

apollo creed wrote: EO, you can look in a mirror

Wouldn't that be a cruel and unusual punishment?

Badhusker wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote: Both Sanchez and GGG know what they are up against. Kovalev vs Ward 1 didn't happen decades ago. Here is what Sanchez said:
http://www.BS.com/golovkin-tra ... lt--119663

Nice, thank you. Knocking out Canelo...hmmm. Just not an easy task man. I'd love to see it not go to the cards because once again, I'm hearing that the casual and novice boxing fan is going to be tuning in for this one. The sting of Floyd/Manny gone, the last thing we need is a corrupt and unjust decision in this one. it would be horrible for the sport.

GGG can do it, but he has to fight smart using his jab while keeping the pressure on Canelo. Canelo is used to fighting guys lately that don't have the skills, are weight drained or the chin to compete. Anguelo and Kirkland had to lose 40+ lbs in a short time, JCC jr was drained too. Smith was a weak belt holder, Khan is a welter with a glass jaw, and Lara ran too much. Imagine if Lara had GGG's punch. GGG is totally different than Lara, but with excellent over-all skills. Canelo will be in trouble late when he tries resting on the ropes. Sanchez is right, it is their fault if they lose.

I hope that you're right man. At the very least, I'm hoping the kid gets a fair shake is all. GGG's done it right and he's respected the game. To me, he deserves to be considered an all time great Middleweight. If they steal this one from him then history is not going to remember GGG like it should. Even if it's widely acknowledged as a bad decision, it still hurts a fighters legacy considerably.

So if GGG loses then i just hope it's a sound decision without any bogus penalty points or footnotes or "yeah buts". I'll be ok with that.