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Kalan wrote: ↑20 Jan 2018, 13:08

MrGuy wrote: ↑19 Jan 2018, 20:24 You're right. It was probably more than that. He got decked early in his career so he was hittable his whole career? Doesn't work that way. Ali received very little punishment before his suspension. Wlad hit hard. Just not as hard as Foreman. Foreman vs Grimsley was old Foreman. His opponents were bigger just not better. Foreman doesn't get taken out by Sanders, Brewster, and Purrity. Young did get ko'd in his prime. By a guy named Earnie Shavers. Young beat Foreman and Lyle. Lost and had a draw with Shavers. Lost close to Ali and Norton. Wlad fought nobody in those guys class. A new heavy thats never beat anyone like Joshua, you need to quit hyping up

It was a lot less than 135 and you know it... Ali grabbed and held more times in the Frazier rematch.

And stop hyping up feather hitting Jimmy Young!!!! Young boxed the ass off Foreman but LOST 3 out of his next 4 fights including 2 losses to neophyte Ossie Ocasio... ALL Young had to do was beat greenie Cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio (10 wins) once in 2 tries to get a Title Fight with Heavyweight Champion Larry Holmes - and he fell through his ass both times...

They were billed as an elimination fights so they had no choice but to match Holmes with Ocasio… Holmes out-punched Ocasio 5 to 1, knocked him down with jabs, and knocked him out almost as easily as he vanquished Marvis Frazier – after Marvis beat up pathetic punching bag Joe Bugner, who was more hittable than Chuvalo.

Povetkin was far above the powerless, pitiful, and hittable Young... Povetkin had a stellar amateur career, won the Olympic Heavyweight Championship Gold Medal, out-boxed Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers when he had only a few pro fights... knocked out top contender Carlos Takam, and took out super tough top contender Mike Perez in the 1st round... Povetkin is almost 39 and he’s only lost 1 fight to ATG Wladimir Klitschko... You simply hate Eastern Europeans,. You give them no credit whatever.

Wladimir was a great athlete ... but not a natural boxer with inbred fistic instincts like Vitali... WK needed a great trainer like Emmanuel Stewart to be any good. Wlad won the Olympic Heavyweight Championship on sheer size, strength, and punching power. He had no stance, jab, footwork, or timing until many years later when he got with Steward.

He turned pro at 20 and fought Puritty at 22.. He had the flu and weighed in really light at 224.. He was outweighed by 25 pounds.. He never weighed within 10 pounds of that light weight afterwards so he didn’t catch the technical problems he had. He thought it was the weight and lack of strength because he was winning every round on points til he gassed out. The Sanders fight there were no such excuses like that, because he couldn’t stop the left hand bombs... Sanders found a huge hole in his defense.

Wladimir knew he had serious problems and called Emmanuel Steward... In 3 years he was a completely retooled Heavyweight and held the Heavyweight Championship for going on 11 years, beating more southpaws than any other Heavyweight Champion... Steward pulled his stance in, brought his head back, dropped his guard down appropriately, sharpened his sloppy footwork, closed holes in his defense, and perfected his jab, straight right, and left hook.

Steward was not an infighting specialist, or a body attack guy. But he was the best ever with tall rangy boxers who had good speed and smarts. Manny had them tie up opponents on the inside because he knew most referees would say “Stop punching. Break” and physically break you so that you can reset from the outside... Grabbing and wrestling isn’t Marquis of Queensberry but everyone gets away with it... I would tell refs “Half our game is infighting. Tell that MFer to let go when he grabs and stop breaking them. Call time and take points for holding if he doesn’t let go on command.” Some refs listen, but most don’t. You can bitch your ass off and it’s like talking to a wall.

golden oldie wrote: ↑20 Jan 2018, 23:05 that guy was virtually untouchable, and when he did get touched

Kalan wrote: ↑20 Jan 2018, 13:08

MrGuy wrote: ↑19 Jan 2018, 20:24 You're right. It was probably more than that. He got decked early in his career so he was hittable his whole career? Doesn't work that way. Ali received very little punishment before his suspension. Wlad hit hard. Just not as hard as Foreman. Foreman vs Grimsley was old Foreman. His opponents were bigger just not better. Foreman doesn't get taken out by Sanders, Brewster, and Purrity. Young did get ko'd in his prime. By a guy named Earnie Shavers. Young beat Foreman and Lyle. Lost and had a draw with Shavers. Lost close to Ali and Norton. Wlad fought nobody in those guys class. A new heavy thats never beat anyone like Joshua, you need to quit hyping up

It was a lot less than 135 and you know it... Ali grabbed and held more times in the Frazier rematch.

And stop hyping up feather hitting Jimmy Young!!!! Young boxed the ass off Foreman but LOST 3 out of his next 4 fights including 2 losses to neophyte Ossie Ocasio... ALL Young had to do was beat greenie Cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio (10 wins) once in 2 tries to get a Title Fight with Heavyweight Champion Larry Holmes - and he fell through his ass both times...

They were billed as an elimination fights so they had no choice but to match Holmes with Ocasio… Holmes out-punched Ocasio 5 to 1, knocked him down with jabs, and knocked him out almost as easily as he vanquished Marvis Frazier – after Marvis beat up pathetic punching bag Joe Bugner, who was more hittable than Chuvalo.

Povetkin was far above the powerless, pitiful, and hittable Young... Povetkin had a stellar amateur career, won the Olympic Heavyweight Championship Gold Medal, out-boxed Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers when he had only a few pro fights... knocked out top contender Carlos Takam, and took out super tough top contender Mike Perez in the 1st round... Povetkin is almost 39 and he’s only lost 1 fight to ATG Wladimir Klitschko... You simply hate Eastern Europeans,. You give them no credit whatever.

Wladimir was a great athlete ... but not a natural boxer with inbred fistic instincts like Vitali... WK needed a great trainer like Emmanuel Stewart to be any good. Wlad won the Olympic Heavyweight Championship on sheer size, strength, and punching power. He had no stance, jab, footwork, or timing until many years later when he got with Steward.

He turned pro at 20 and fought Puritty at 22.. He had the flu and weighed in really light at 224.. He was outweighed by 25 pounds.. He never weighed within 10 pounds of that light weight afterwards so he didn’t catch the technical problems he had. He thought it was the weight and lack of strength because he was winning every round on points til he gassed out. The Sanders fight there were no such excuses like that, because he couldn’t stop the left hand bombs... Sanders found a huge hole in his defense.

Wladimir knew he had serious problems and called Emmanuel Steward... In 3 years he was a completely retooled Heavyweight and held the Heavyweight Championship for going on 11 years, beating more southpaws than any other Heavyweight Champion... Steward pulled his stance in, brought his head back, dropped his guard down appropriately, sharpened his sloppy footwork, closed holes in his defense, and perfected his jab, straight right, and left hook.

Steward was not an infighting specialist, or a body attack guy. But he was the best ever with tall rangy boxers who had good speed and smarts. Manny had them tie up opponents on the inside because he knew most referees would say “Stop punching. Break” and physically break you so that you can reset from the outside... Grabbing and wrestling isn’t Marquis of Queensberry but everyone gets away with it... I would tell refs “Half our game is infighting. Tell that MFer to let go when he grabs and stop breaking them. Call time and take points for holding if he doesn’t let go on command.” Some refs listen, but most don’t. You can bitch your ass off and it’s like talking to a wall.

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