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BitPlayer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Can a boxer get licensed with high blood pressure? Either way, he left the medication blank on his vada form. Maybe he wanted to get caught so he could lose money and not fight for the title? Yeah, that makes sense.

Al Haymon made him use pencil to fill it in, and then errased it, as part of his masterplan.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He's wanted a big fight for years. His faith in haymon has been his biggest flaw. The hate has taken me from. Indifferent to a fan. Hard not to cheer for someone so irrationality despised on a forum you frequent.

My brain just blurs when those users make a post. Still indifferent to Wilder. Hard to be a fan of such a non style with a goofy KO punch. The HWs are just too shiiiiiiiit to care about either way. Fight is off? Good. It'd suck anyway.

Blodhemn wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He's wanted a big fight for years. His faith in haymon has been his biggest flaw. The hate has taken me from. Indifferent to a fan. Hard not to cheer for someone so irrationality despised on a forum you frequent.

My brain just blurs when those users make a post. Still indifferent to Wilder. Hard to be a fan of such a non style with a goofy KO punch. The HWs are just too shiiiiiiiit to care about either way. Fight is off? Good. It'd suck anyway.

Lol, I've been pushed into caring about him. Though I definitely won't watch him fight stiverne again. Bisping/gsp is that night, I wasn't watching wilder/Ortiz live anyway.

gilgamesh wrote:Ortiz can piss off. No further interest in ANYTHING he'll ever do in Boxing. This was the payoff to his entire lackluster career, and he blew it. To hell with him.

He can't be that stupid. I also doubt that Povetkin could be as stupid the second time around. Something smells fishy here.

Posted back in Decemebr 2016

Exoddus wrote:Any decent fighter that gets made mandatory for Wilder's WBC belt will fail drug testing by American drug testing VADA. Only to be told, once Wilder is allowed to pick yet another terrible opponent or the WBC pick a terrible mandatory will the fighter in question be cleared of all charges the week after.

Gotta protect the undefeated American fighters at all costs! Even if they have to fake drugs testing. No doubt Kovalev would have failed if he'd Knocked out Ward (he couldn't win on points!).

Posted March 2017

Exoddus wrote: I said they'll make sure he fails a drugs test before he fights Wilder. The WBC will make sure someone like Povetkin will not get into the mandatory position again. It'll continue to be bums from now on. I think the only "top" fighter Wilder beats is Parker.

The WBC rankings are pretty week. The best fighter being Luis Ortiz who is ranked #2. So they got to make sure someone like Takam, Breazeale etc jump above him.

What a disgrace. He blew his payday, his boxing career and probably his movie career. I didn’t like him much in the new Kong: Skull island, he looked very cgi.

Good thread and posts. Even by CS standards, a dude getting bagged when his opponent fails a drug test is about as fvxked up as it gets.

Counter-puncher wrote:Good thread and posts. Even by CS standards, a dude getting bagged when his opponent fails a drug test is about as fvxked up as it gets.

It's ridiculous, but not necessarily rare. I haven't seen that level of hate on boxrec, but it used to be pretty pervasive on eastside back in the day.

I don't see how anyone can even attempt to blame Wilder for Ortiz failing (another) drug test. Blame him for what he's in control of, not for what he's not.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Just give Amir mansour a shot

I read that Mansour is a possibility. Mansour has been interviewed a few times about his desire to fight for a world title. I hope they just let it happen so that there are no excuses and I don't have to see articles about this anymore.

punchoutsb wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Good thread and posts. Even by CS standards, a dude getting bagged when his opponent fails a drug test is about as fvxked up as it gets.

It's ridiculous, but not necessarily rare. I haven't seen that level of hate on boxrec, but it used to be pretty pervasive on eastside back in the day.

I don't see how anyone can even attempt to blame Wilder for Ortiz failing (another) drug test. Blame him for what he's in control of, not for what he's not.

I wouldn't know any other forum but I have to wonder if this breached a slightly new depth of idiocy. Probably not, but the attritional effect of sustained idiocy is so exhausting you have so many horrors to contemplate, that the ones you contemplated only a year before, seem like aeons ago, without the immediacy of that first moment your heart breaks once more, realising you hadn't yet had your fill of the stupidity of the world, and that you would never have your fill, and that the stupidity of the world is infinite, and so realising, like a grotesque view of he sublime, that you will always be surrounded and almost overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude and scope of the stupidity of the world..... so there was probably something equally stupid said on here a month or a week ago, I was just so traumatised by the realisation it gave of the stupidity of the world and by the few hundreds or thousands of relatively trivial stupidities Ive witnessed in the interim between then and now, that this new stupidity seems like a new low when in fact it's probably mere mundane everyday human stupidity. God how depressing.

RScarf1 wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Just give Amir mansour a shot

I read that Mansour is a possibility. Mansour has been interviewed a few times about his desire to fight for a world title. I hope they just let it happen so that there are no excuses and I don't have to see articles about this anymore.

That would be such a terrible reason to give a 70 year old man a title shot...

Counter-puncher wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Good thread and posts. Even by CS standards, a dude getting bagged when his opponent fails a drug test is about as fvxked up as it gets.

It's ridiculous, but not necessarily rare. I haven't seen that level of hate on boxrec, but it used to be pretty pervasive on eastside back in the day.

I don't see how anyone can even attempt to blame Wilder for Ortiz failing (another) drug test. Blame him for what he's in control of, not for what he's not.

I wouldn't know any other forum but I have to wonder if this breached a slightly new depth of idiocy. Probably not, but the attritional effect of sustained idiocy is so exhausting you have so many horrors to contemplate, that the ones you contemplated only a year before, seem like aeons ago, without the immediacy of that first moment your heart breaks once more, realising you hadn't yet had your fill of the stupidity of the world, and that you would never have your fill, and that the stupidity of the world is infinite, and so realising, like a grotesque view of he sublime, that you will always be surrounded and almost overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude and scope of the stupidity of the world..... so there was probably something equally stupid said on here a month or a week ago, I was just so traumatised by the realisation it gave of the stupidity of the world and by the few hundreds or thousands of relatively trivial stupidities Ive witnessed in the interim between then and now, that this new stupidity seems like a new low when in fact it's probably mere mundane everyday human stupidity. God how depressing.

Counter-puncher wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Good thread and posts. Even by CS standards, a dude getting bagged when his opponent fails a drug test is about as fvxked up as it gets.

It's ridiculous, but not necessarily rare. I haven't seen that level of hate on boxrec, but it used to be pretty pervasive on eastside back in the day.

I don't see how anyone can even attempt to blame Wilder for Ortiz failing (another) drug test. Blame him for what he's in control of, not for what he's not.

I wouldn't know any other forum but I have to wonder if this breached a slightly new depth of idiocy. Probably not, but the attritional effect of sustained idiocy is so exhausting you have so many horrors to contemplate, that the ones you contemplated only a year before, seem like aeons ago, without the immediacy of that first moment your heart breaks once more, realising you hadn't yet had your fill of the stupidity of the world, and that you would never have your fill, and that the stupidity of the world is infinite, and so realising, like a grotesque view of he sublime, that you will always be surrounded and almost overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude and scope of the stupidity of the world..... so there was probably something equally stupid said on here a month or a week ago, I was just so traumatised by the realisation it gave of the stupidity of the world and by the few hundreds or thousands of relatively trivial stupidities Ive witnessed in the interim between then and now, that this new stupidity seems like a new low when in fact it's probably mere mundane everyday human stupidity. God how depressing.

I doubt wilder is going to pay stiverne even more money to fight mansour. Mansour/breazeale 2 makes sense.

punchoutsb wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Just give Amir mansour a shot

I read that Mansour is a possibility. Mansour has been interviewed a few times about his desire to fight for a world title. I hope they just let it happen so that there are no excuses and I don't have to see articles about this anymore.

That would be such a terrible reason to give a 70 year old man a title shot...

He's only 45.

RScarf1 wrote:I read that Mansour is a possibility. Mansour has been interviewed a few times about his desire to fight for a world title.

Amir Mansour is currently ranked 17th by the WBC, so he shouldn’t be deemed as a qualified challenger to participate in a title fight against a champion making a voluntary defence of his title. He'd need to to be elevated to a top-15 ranking by the WBC for this to happen.

Bermane Stiverne is the mandatory challenger for Wilder’s WBC title and Deontay Wilder had to seek their approval, as well as pay the Haitian a sum of money to step-aside to allow him to face Luis Ortiz instead.

The reason why Deontay Wilder took the Luis Ortiz fight instead of fulfilling his obligation to the WBC to perform a mandatory defence against Bermane Stiverne, was due to Showtime refusing to televise a rematch between the Haitian and the American. They weren’t interested in televising another one-sided bout.

Therefore, Amir Mansour won’t be facing Deontay Wilder anytime soon, because Showtime won’t sanction it, he’s not qualified to participate in such a fight and ‘The Bronze Bomber’ has to face his mandatory challenger (Bermane Stiverne).

There is a chance, due Bermane Stiverne already lined-up to face Dominic Breazeale, that Deontay Wilder will be granted with special permission to participate in yet another voluntary defence of his title…

And I feel that Dillian Whyte is a very likely opponent, because he is the next highest ranked WBC challenger (after Ortiz and Stiverne), so he’s qualified, has a proven track record in competing in exciting fights, is excellent at trash-talking/promotion and he would also allow Showtime to draw comparisons between ‘The Bronze Bomber’ and his fellow Showtime stablemate, Anthony Joshua.

So my gut instinct tells me that Wilder will be facing either Stiverne or Whyte next.

Las Vegas Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman CLAIMS to have found drugs on Ortiz. It's about time international boxing told Las Vegas et al to f off.

Im not going to blame Wilder for this. As an Ortiz im disappointed. However Wilder made a great and simple point today in an article on BS.

If Ortiz was taking this medication for high blood pressure and maybe Type 2 diabetes; why didnt he disclose that to VADA before the testing began and get a medical exemption? It doesnt make sense as to why he (or his team) didnt do that.

Verdi wrote:I'm seeing on social media that Stiverne will likely take over, but I'd sooner see Breazeale have a go. I think it'd be a more exciting fight.

Id love to see Breazeale against Miller. I think that would be a great fight.

gilgamesh wrote:Ortiz can piss off. No further interest in ANYTHING he'll ever do in Boxing. This was the payoff to his entire lackluster career, and he blew it. To hell with him.

Kinda how i feel. He had a lot of potential aswell.

RScarf1 wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Just give Amir mansour a shot

I read that Mansour is a possibility. Mansour has been interviewed a few times about his desire to fight for a world title. I hope they just let it happen so that there are no excuses and I don't have to see articles about this anymore.

Id like that. I like Mansours story. He seems like a genuinely good guy that has tried very hard to turn his life around since coming out of prison.

lefty wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Just give Amir mansour a shot

I read that Mansour is a possibility. Mansour has been interviewed a few times about his desire to fight for a world title. I hope they just let it happen so that there are no excuses and I don't have to see articles about this anymore.

Id like that. I like Mansours story. He seems like a genuinely good guy that has tried very hard to turn his life around since coming out of prison.

Mansour is not going to fight Wilder. Don't be silly gentlemen.

Luis Ortiz was hyped-up by Golden Boy, but they freed him of his contract by asking for a mere $1.2m in return, so he couldn’t have been that much of an asset, could he?

After two terrible performances against journeymen calibre opposition on the undercard of Matchroom fight cards, Eddie Hearn didn’t seem that bothered about promoting him again… and this was after Sky Sports heavily hyped him up to the extreme.

Now that Luis Ortiz is likely to receive a rather lengthy ban (more than a year), since this is the second time he’s tested positive (receiving a suspension for 8 months first time around), coupled with the fact that he’s probably older than his “official” age (several representatives of Sky Sports & Matchroom joked about this repeatedly) and likely to already be past-his-prime, then I reckon the Cuban’s career as a top-tier world class operator is pretty much over.

I personally doubt that Luis Ortiz was worthy of the amount of hype he received anyway. And I’m not saying this solely based on hindsight, since I was ridiculed for questioning whether his talent was worthy of all the extreme praise that he received shortly after his fight against Tony Thompson.

At that moment in time, many self-proclaimed “experts” that frequent this forum felt that he automatically deserved an honorary rite of passage to being considered as the king of the heavyweights, without having earned it by beating the very best fighters in his own weight division.

I guess that the very same set of people won’t admit that they were wrong about attacking my opinion or their previous estimation of Ortiz.

RScarf1 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:
I read that Mansour is a possibility. Mansour has been interviewed a few times about his desire to fight for a world title. I hope they just let it happen so that there are no excuses and I don't have to see articles about this anymore.

That would be such a terrible reason to give a 70 year old man a title shot...

He's only 45.

How very young and vibrant!

Enlightened-One wrote:

lefty wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:
I read that Mansour is a possibility. Mansour has been interviewed a few times about his desire to fight for a world title. I hope they just let it happen so that there are no excuses and I don't have to see articles about this anymore.

Id like that. I like Mansours story. He seems like a genuinely good guy that has tried very hard to turn his life around since coming out of prison.

Mansour is not going to fight Wilder. Don't be silly gentlemen.

Why couldnt it happen though? The WBC pretty much makes the rankings up as they go along, and aside from that- Wilder has fought worse opponents in voluntary defences in the past.