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The fact is the corrupt bastards at the WBC and VADA have protected Wilder.. If he fought anybody like Whyte, at least he would be tested.. But he won't.. I think VADA was in possession of their testing result when the news was announced that Wilder-Ortiz was going forward.. The reason being at Wilder's new conferences he kept saying "Don't fuk this up Ortiz.. Don't fuk this up" ... I think he already knew this test was already in the pipeline and would kill the fight.

It's also amazing to me that Wilder never actually flew to Russia for the Povetkin fight... You don't arrive in Moscow 24-hours before a fight... You get there ahead of time to do interviews and face-offs to build the gate.. Wilder knew that a phony baloney "investigation" by VADA and the WBC were going to happen.

asdfjkl wrote:I'd love to see AJ fighting Povetkin next, that would be an awesome fight! Povetkin is still and by far, the best active heavyweight of this century, the current rank two of the heavyweight division. There's a reason Wilder is and was so scared of him. I hope Wilder soon fights a serious English name, Joyce, Dubois, Whyte, name them, then AJ can fight him after Ortiz and Povetkin, while Wilder can hold his battle of the dopers against Stiverne, and fight an English guy or/and Parker.

Hey Povetkin is back on this site. Hey Big P! How have you been? Do you know who you're fighting next, Champ? I always love when you get on the site and pretend to be asdfjkl. It's hilarious. Ok, man, take it easy, Povetkin!

Kalan wrote:The fact is the corrupt bastards at the WBC and VADA have protected Wilder.. If he fought anybody like Whyte, at least he would be tested.. But he won't.. I think VADA was in possession of their testing result when the news was announced that Wilder-Ortiz was going forward.. The reason being at Wilder's new conferences he kept saying "Don't fuk this up Ortiz.. Don't fuk this up" ... I think he already knew this test was already in the pipeline and would kill the fight.

It's also amazing to me that Wilder never actually flew to Russia for the Povetkin fight... You don't arrive in Moscow 24-hours before a fight... You get there ahead of time to do interviews and face-offs to build the gate.. Wilder knew that a phony baloney "investigation" by VADA and the WBC were going to happen.

Did WBC and WADA protect Wilder from the mighty Andrzej Wawrzyk too?

tiny_acres wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
good post.
It really makes no sense to think Wilder even has the power or financial resources to do it.
The guy is unknown outside of Alabama

My problem with Wilder is the very real fact that he has yet to face a legitimate threat in almost ten years as a professional and so called champion. The rest of this fairyland BS that some of these guys spout against him is embarrassingly stupid.

I agree his resume is week. I just refuse to hold the Povetkin or Ortiz failed drug tests against him.
I would love to see him in the ring with Joshua or Parker.
But I don't see it happening until the money is right

You do know don't you that Wilder successfully sued Povetkin for loss of earnings?. I say successfully but although he won the award he hasn't seen the money pending the result of Povetkin's counter-claim. Be that as it may it would seem likely that Wilder will get paid out at some point so can we please stop all this bleeding heart nonsense about how the fight not going ahead cost Wilder a small fortune. No doubt if Dr Frankenstein hadn't been able to bring Bermane Stiverne back to life, I'm sure Ortiz would be the subject of litigation too.

And while we are about it, Wilder doesn't have any influence to speak of, so we can we drop all this Wilder this and Wilder that. If anybody is running interference with the VADA programme it won't be Wilder. If Haymon is mindful of his investment and has suction with Sulaiman, that's where the pressure will be coming from ... if indeed there is any.

Also if I was protecting Wilder by leaning on VADA I would be smart enough to make sure it wasn't just the big threats like Povetkin and Ortiz that fell foul of the test. I'd throw in a minnow or two like Wawrjzek so as to make it look less obvious.

As I've said on other threads, I don't know if Povetkin and/or Ortiz have been royally screwed over, or whether they got their just desserts, but let's not be naïve enough to think that corruption among the powerbrokers in boxing doesn't exist, and that the suggestion there has been foul play is absurd.

candyslim wrote: You do know don't you that Wilder successfully sued Povetkin for loss of earnings?

That case was tried in the corrupt American court system and Povetkin's American lawyer threw the case... Povetkin's lawyer didn't bring on a single expert witness or even point out that VADA, WADA, and the WBC exonerated Povetkin completely after their "investigation." The opposing lawyer was one of the top legal minds in American history, Judd Burstein. It was basically a mismatch, but worse than that. Povetkin's lawyer rolled over and played dead.

He never explained to the jury that Povetkin could test with a LEGAL amount (70 nanograms) of Meldonium in his system after testing completely clear in an earlier test -- because of differing levels of hydration or consumption of liquids prior to the 2 tests would making one test sample more concentrated because of the lack of hydration.. It's the same principle as you pissing more yellow at one time then the previous time because you drank far less liquids, therefore the urochrome (which makes your urine yellow) in your pee is more concentrated and therefore more yellow.

He never examined how these tests were done or the results arrived at -- or consulted with anyone who knew. He didn't do a damned thing but tell the jury Povetkin was innocent because he passed the tests.

The jury basically believed every lie Burstein told them.. That Povetkin couldn't possibly have 70 nanograms of Meldonium in his system after testing completely clear if he didn't take Meldonium prior to the later test -- even though they were both legally passed tests because anything below 1000 nanograms passed easily.. He told them that the fight was halted because Povetkin took PEDs, which is a damned lie and complete bullcrap.. The jury went right out and came right back with a unanimous verdict because Povetkin's lawyer put on the weakest non-defense in legal history.

The Russian's American lawyer did NOT put on any type of appeal at all.. He was walked over and possibly on the take after telling Povetkin that he'd win easy because all the legal facts were on his side.. Judd Bernstein the opposing lawyer lied his ass off and had "expert witnesses" who also lied their asses off.. They went unchallenged.. None of Burnstein's lying witnesses weren't cross examined on their lies and misstatements.. The whole effort was a farce and a filthy blot on our legal system. A massive miscarriage of justice.

Kalan wrote:

candyslim wrote: You do know don't you that Wilder successfully sued Povetkin for loss of earnings?

Have you actually seen the sentace? They say they think Povetkin lied because the translator he received translated doctor into trainer. So the Wilder team imagined a person, that person didn't exist so couldn't be heard out, so the conclusion was Povetkin lied (while in reality Povetkin didn't, the translator he received made a mistake). The judge hasn't even looked at the actual case and the actual evidence. It was like "Murica! Fock yea!", none of the judges even looked at the facts.

Kalan wrote:Wilder has to learn how to talk, act, and present himself.. Joshua talks, looks, and acts like a gentleman.. Klitschko talked, looked, and behaved like a gentleman -- so when they fought people cared about them and the whole world paid attention -- and it was the biggest fight in MANY, MANY years.

disagree. he doesn't need to be a
boxer gentleman. other things sell
too. plus he is actually very likeable.

in any case, best for boxing would
be a new "fight of the century" scenario.
two undefeated champions in their
prime at the top of the scale. well
promoted this could be massive.

I was making no judgement as to the merits or otherwise of the case, I was pointing out that ...

1) Rightly or wrongly there is an award in Wilder's favour, meaning that the failure of the fight to proceed has cost him nothing because he is being paid for the job without being required to perform. I mention this because when we are told Wilder lost money because of the fight being called off, that isn't entirely true. In fact it could be said it saved him a lot of money because he still has a belt to defend, and a potential jackpot in London next year to aim for. Who can say for certain that would still be the case had he fought the formidable Mr. Povetkin on his home turf?

2) I felt it only fair to mention that Wilder hasn't yet received that payment, and the reason for that I understand is an appeal made by Povetkin which has not yet reached a conclusion. I imagine he will get paid eventually together with interest but no doubt he would far rather the money in his bank account.

i for one believe wilder would have
beaten povetkin and possibly with
ease. in the end pov is a solid heavy,
but against so much taller men like
wlad or deontay it gets more and
more difficult with age and 38 is,
well, past prime.

That's what they wanted.. Get Povetkin and Ortiz old.. Wilder has a few years on those guys.. He's still youthful

@man: There's no law against having an opinion (even on boxrec, provided of course, it's the right opinion ) but sadly we will never get the opportunity to test your theory, because the fight got called off on what seems to me was basically a technicality. Was Povetkin going to derive any benefit from the residual ingredient of the supplement he had been taking which up until a short time before had been perfectly legal?

@kalan: It would seem so but now they must be wondering if they will ever get Wilder his unification mega-pay out without beating a top level opponent. Hearn seems pretty insistent that the answer is "No", and top level opponents are becoming something of a rarity. I think if I was Haymon I'd try to get Povetkin over to LV for a voluntary. He's now 38 and didn't look much against Rudenko. He'll be 39 or close to that next year so it should be less of a risk than the mandatory in Moscow, yet his name still adds value to a resume, certainly Wilder's resume. I'm sure Sulaiman will be happy to reinstate him if asked.

Of course he could still fight Whyte in London but Wilder / his team seem curiously reluctant to do that. Are Wilder/ Haymon/ Dibella the only Americans who think Dillian Whyte can actually fight?