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Tony1244 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 10:36

x2x wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 01:51

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 01:26
not really, his trainer asked Mariusz ''you want to continue?'' and Wach said ''let's fight!''

Mago wouldn't quit either. Doesn't anybody ever learn anything ever?

You say he would have won if his hand wasn't injured and then you say you don't want him to end up like Mago. Well which is it?

Your brain doesn't end up severely injured because of a broken hand.

x2x wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 13:29

Tony1244 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 10:36

x2x wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 01:51


Mago wouldn't quit either. Doesn't anybody ever learn anything ever?

You say he would have won if his hand wasn't injured and then you say you don't want him to end up like Mago. Well which is it?

Your brain doesn't end up severely injured because of a broken hand.

It is just as I said it is - and of course your brain can be injured if you absorb too many punches and you absorb too many punches if your hand, especially your dominant hand, is injured and you can't fend off your opponent. Neither Mago nor Wach are fleet footed featherweights who might scamper out of harms way using fancy fast footwork alone.

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 01:54 but Wach-Miller was not such a war and Miller was not landing such clean and hard punches to the head as Mike Perez did to Mago (despite the Wach injury)

and in my opinion, fighters should be allowed to fight as long as they want, and no one should lost licenses or go to jail, it is their lifes and their decisions whether they want to continue or not. until Wach was throwing punches he should be allowed to continue if he'd like to

Joshua destroys Miller, i expected much more in this fight, but he is slow, hes punches are about throwing his hands without body movement

Wach had to fight Whyte, i think not injured Wach could beat him

i can see Wach in a lot of fun fights like vs Pulev, Duhaupas, Ustinov, Helenius, i think he should beat Molina or Hammer next and aim next big fight

candyslim wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 07:41 Am I the only one thinks Miller looks decent? He has a very good engine, appears to have a good chin, although it will be tested much better than that. He's not a particularly hard hitter but he's in your face, very difficult to discourage and just keeps coming. He's hardly impossible to hit but he has enough skills that he can keep up close without getting caught too often.

Of course he may get found out by a Joshua or a Wilder but that doesn't mean he can't fight.

x2x wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 13:53

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 01:54 but Wach-Miller was not such a war and Miller was not landing such clean and hard punches to the head as Mike Perez did to Mago (despite the Wach injury)

and in my opinion, fighters should be allowed to fight as long as they want, and no one should lost licenses or go to jail, it is their lifes and their decisions whether they want to continue or not. until Wach was throwing punches he should be allowed to continue if he'd like to

Joshua destroys Miller, i expected much more in this fight, but he is slow, hes punches are about throwing his hands without body movement

Wach had to fight Whyte, i think not injured Wach could beat him

i can see Wach in a lot of fun fights like vs Pulev, Duhaupas, Ustinov, Helenius, i think he should beat Molina or Hammer next and aim next big fight

True but still Wach was getting hit too much and because of his injured hand unable to defend himself properly, and hurting his hand worse by continuing to throw it. It had turned ugly and I was glad when the ref - the only one with any sense - finally stopped it.

Mago showed that fighters need to be protected from themselves because they just don't know when to quit. They don't want to appear "cowardly" and quit. It is part of the human herd instict. It is what happens in wars, even when soldiers are ordered to go straight ahead into thick machine gun fire and certain death, say in WW1 or the American Civil War. Almost all of the them will do just that. They would rather die than be left behind by the herd or labeled a "coward". But boxing is supposed to be just a game.

I don't know if Wach will continue fighting. He didn't seem motivated to show up in top shape last night. He was his heaviest ever. He's pushing 40. 40 boxer years, like dog years, is much older than 40 human years.

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 14:03 the fight was stopped because of doctor, you can clearly see it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkvvmFZ4qxc
well, from what i heard in a corner, he was willing to continue, after it was stopped he was not protesting but he was clearly disappointed
anyway, Miller won, but Wach could still verify some prospects

fight before Miller vs Wach, the mexican fighter face was bleeding a lot and his opponent was landing a lot too and it was ok, Wach having hand injury and doctors almost insisted on him to say ''stop the fight'', i think it is a example of how Hearn tries to make his fighters records look more impressive. it's called the ''British stoppage'' like in the Joshua vs Takam fight

x2x wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 14:42

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 14:03 the fight was stopped because of doctor, you can clearly see it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkvvmFZ4qxc
well, from what i heard in a corner, he was willing to continue, after it was stopped he was not protesting but he was clearly disappointed
anyway, Miller won, but Wach could still verify some prospects

fight before Miller vs Wach, the mexican fighter face was bleeding a lot and his opponent was landing a lot too and it was ok, Wach having hand injury and doctors almost insisted on him to say ''stop the fight'', i think it is a example of how Hearn tries to make his fighters records look more impressive. it's called the ''British stoppage'' like in the Joshua vs Takam fight

"the fight was stopped because of doctor"

Good catch. I missed that.

The fight before Miller-Wach was the Seldin-Ortiz fight, wasn't it? The doctor stopped that fight too. Ortiz' face was a mess. I think both fight stoppages were legit. I would have liked the Miller-Wach stoppage to come earlier, and maybe the Seldin-Ortiz fight could have been stopped a little earlier too. Wach seemed to have hurt his hand in the first or second round. The tv announcers agreed that Wach won round one. Neither was a fake "British", or better yet, Las Vegas stoppage.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 13:58

candyslim wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 07:41 Am I the only one thinks Miller looks decent? He has a very good engine, appears to have a good chin, although it will be tested much better than that. He's not a particularly hard hitter but he's in your face, very difficult to discourage and just keeps coming. He's hardly impossible to hit but he has enough skills that he can keep up close without getting caught too often.

Of course he may get found out by a Joshua or a Wilder but that doesn't mean he can't fight.

Your not alone. Plenty of guys think Miller is decent. I'm not one of them though. He still arm punches and slaps a lot of his shots. Basic stuff. Good opponent for someone like Parker, that would be an entertaining fight. But against Joshua or Wilder? He would get slaughtered.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 15:52 Miller has now entered the Boxrec top 10 at #9.
Thanks to Washington winning the first 3-4 rounds against him until he quit, and Wach coming in the worst shape of his career and breaking his hand, we now have a brand new entrant into the HW top ten

jamknob wrote: ↑14 Nov 2017, 01:01

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 15:52 Miller has now entered the Boxrec top 10 at #9.
Thanks to Washington winning the first 3-4 rounds against him until he quit, and Wach coming in the worst shape of his career and breaking his hand, we now have a brand new entrant into the HW top ten

washington won the first 2 minutes against miller and that was it. it wasnt close after that. no need to be dishonest and hurt your credibility. 3-4 rounds? gtfo! did you think no one else watched the fight and so you could get by with whatever nonsense you wanted?