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dirk2686 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 14:39

thechump wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 14:37 watch the door doesnt hit your butt on the way out of this topic. Used to like haye but got burnt by his sh1te talk too many times,bit like the England national team,you think ther gonna do something then BANG they are all talk,nice chatting to you tho

I don't get this. He only lost three fights. One early, one to the best of his generation, and the other when very clearly badly injured.

Yes that and numerous pull outs olus the t-shirts of both klit bros,then the bellew pre fight talk,full of sh1t that man

The geezer was born injured

Haye’s achievements speak for themselves, he’s an all time great of British boxing. I like the guy but i can understand people thinking he behaves like a pudendum sometimes.

That said, I think it’s very petty the way some posters hold a grudge against haye for pulling out of fights thus costing them money they’d already forked out for tickets etc. As others have pointed out all his injuries have been legitimate, he’s a pro boxer, they often get injured and can’t fight. He should fight injured just so you suckers don’t lose a few quid ?

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 20:40 Haye’s achievements speak for themselves, he’s an all time great of British boxing. I like the guy but i can understand people thinking he behaves like a pudendum sometimes.

That said, I think it’s very petty the way some posters hold a grudge against haye for pulling out of fights thus costing them money they’d already forked out for tickets etc. As others have pointed out all his injuries have been legitimate, he’s a pro boxer, they often get injured and can’t fight. He should fight injured just so you suckers don’t lose a few quid ?

He fought injured last time out and cost loads of ppl alot of money in bets so what he should of done was stick to his word and reture at 30,he had achieved alot reached his dream of becoming a unified world champ probably done more than he thought he would do by moving up to heavyweight and winning a version of a world title and had a couple of box office fights. His achievments do speak for themselves but so does his history of talking the talk but not walking the walk.

There’s an interview with Eddie Hearn where he is asked about the injury and he said it’s all rubbish, he said he has spoken to Hayes team, as did Sky Sports and Haye is ok.

Haye was no way injured for the first Wladimir fight. That had way more to do with the demise of Setanta imo.

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 20:40 Haye’s achievements speak for themselves, he’s an all time great of British boxing. I like the guy but i can understand people thinking he behaves like a pudendum sometimes.

That said, I think it’s very petty the way some posters hold a grudge against haye for pulling out of fights thus costing them money they’d already forked out for tickets etc. As others have pointed out all his injuries have been legitimate, he’s a pro boxer, they often get injured and can’t fight. He should fight injured just so you suckers don’t lose a few quid ?

I agree with pretty much all of this.

Haye has had a lot of disappointments through his career and it is very frustrating, but the levels of hate really does go overboard

youngrell wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 07:04

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 20:40 Haye’s achievements speak for themselves, he’s an all time great of British boxing. I like the guy but i can understand people thinking he behaves like a pudendum sometimes.

That said, I think it’s very petty the way some posters hold a grudge against haye for pulling out of fights thus costing them money they’d already forked out for tickets etc. As others have pointed out all his injuries have been legitimate, he’s a pro boxer, they often get injured and can’t fight. He should fight injured just so you suckers don’t lose a few quid ?

I agree with pretty much all of this.

Haye has had a lot of disappointments through his career and it is very frustrating, but the levels of hate really does go overboard

What about the levels of hate bellew gets? Do you think that is deserved? Commonwealth british european and WBC world champion but still gets slated,haye is a top athlete and is a british boxing modern day great no doubt about it his pull outs and failed show ups in fights have tarnished his rep a lot and some ppl are just fed up with him

Didn't Froch often fight with knee injuries? I'm sure he won a fight with a fucked elbow as well.

thechump wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 07:21

youngrell wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 07:04

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 20:40 Haye’s achievements speak for themselves, he’s an all time great of British boxing. I like the guy but i can understand people thinking he behaves like a pudendum sometimes.

That said, I think it’s very petty the way some posters hold a grudge against haye for pulling out of fights thus costing them money they’d already forked out for tickets etc. As others have pointed out all his injuries have been legitimate, he’s a pro boxer, they often get injured and can’t fight. He should fight injured just so you suckers don’t lose a few quid ?

I agree with pretty much all of this.

Haye has had a lot of disappointments through his career and it is very frustrating, but the levels of hate really does go overboard

What about the levels of hate bellew gets? Do you think that is deserved? Commonwealth british european and WBC world champion but still gets slated,haye is a top athlete and is a british boxing modern day great no doubt about it his pull outs and failed show ups in fights have tarnished his rep a lot and some ppl are just fed up with him

Bellew gets hate because of his personality and inflated opinion of himself more than anything else.

As I have said, Haye's career has been a massive frustration, but to hate someone because they get injured is a bit OTT.

I understand why people dislike both, it just seems Haye garners an unhealthy amount of dislike from some people. Gets a bit irrational.

Haye's got to pull out if injured, he really cannot afford any other defeat - particularly fighting a guy on the basis of unfinished business due to an injury.

To be honest, whilst I do not know the full extent of the damage to his achilles, I always felt that a return before the year was out was a tough ask - and I did not like the vibes at the various press conferences. He should be 100% fit before signing the fight - he seemed like he was working towads 100% at the press conferences. He would not say he was 100%, just saying how well is achilles was at this stage and how well he was recovering (not recovered).

stujones wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 08:06 Haye's got to pull out if injured, he really cannot afford any other defeat - particularly fighting a guy on the basis of unfinished business due to an injury.

To be honest, whilst I do not know the full extent of the damage to his achilles, I always felt that a return before the year was out was a tough ask - and I did not like the vibes at the various press conferences. He should be 100% fit before signing the fight - he seemed like he was working towads 100% at the press conferences. He would not say he was 100%, just saying how well is achilles was at this stage and how well he was recovering (not recovered).

If he's skint like some people say then he won't pull out,at this stage of his career he has to take what cash is on offer,if he fought Bellew without injury and lost he'd still be in the same situation as if he fights injured and lost,without any options really.

Haye isn't broke. Guys like holyfield and Tyson are far from broke. I've been skint, that ain't it. I'd love to see Haye against any of the belt holders.

The likelihood that the Achilles is properly fixed is remote. I have had training injuries such as a detached bicep tendon which was re-attached surgically and I also had a thumb reattached and from my experience, unlikely to be healed in this timespan.

And as for Achilles, I went running in Spain in August while on holiday, like a baby fcking elephant running down the mountains flat footed, fcked both Achilles up, agony. They felt bruised to the touch, restrictive movement early in the day (had to walk flat footed, not heel toe like Haye walking into the ring against Bellew) and mine is still sore as hell right now, only just really beginning to feel like they are healing and that is just some bruising to the tendon.

Yeah, it's months earlier than I expected. That's concerning.

bigjack wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 08:21

stujones wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 08:06 Haye's got to pull out if injured, he really cannot afford any other defeat - particularly fighting a guy on the basis of unfinished business due to an injury.

To be honest, whilst I do not know the full extent of the damage to his achilles, I always felt that a return before the year was out was a tough ask - and I did not like the vibes at the various press conferences. He should be 100% fit before signing the fight - he seemed like he was working towads 100% at the press conferences. He would not say he was 100%, just saying how well is achilles was at this stage and how well he was recovering (not recovered).

If he's skint like some people say then he won't pull out,at this stage of his career he has to take what cash is on offer,if he fought Bellew without injury and lost he'd still be in the same situation as if he fights injured and lost,without any options really.

If Haye's broke and only doing it for the money - then surely better to try and fight two or three times against lesser opponents than one fight and retire. Loses again and there are no more options - he is in the last chance saloon.

Too many miles on the clock for Haye

stujones wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 10:19

bigjack wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 08:21

stujones wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 08:06 Haye's got to pull out if injured, he really cannot afford any other defeat - particularly fighting a guy on the basis of unfinished business due to an injury.

To be honest, whilst I do not know the full extent of the damage to his achilles, I always felt that a return before the year was out was a tough ask - and I did not like the vibes at the various press conferences. He should be 100% fit before signing the fight - he seemed like he was working towads 100% at the press conferences. He would not say he was 100%, just saying how well is achilles was at this stage and how well he was recovering (not recovered).

If he's skint like some people say then he won't pull out,at this stage of his career he has to take what cash is on offer,if he fought Bellew without injury and lost he'd still be in the same situation as if he fights injured and lost,without any options really.

If Haye's broke and only doing it for the money - then surely better to try and fight two or three times against lesser opponents than one fight and retire. Loses again and there are no more options - he is in the last chance saloon.

If he is injured though,he could still lose against a lesser opponent,and the injury appeared before he got in the ring,so it looks like it's the training he can't cope with,surely fighting a lesser opponent wouldn't mean he's train less.

As suspected “Games” ...

Haye runs too tight a ship for there to be a leak of any truths.

Spud wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 10:42 As suspected “Games” ...

Haye runs too tight a ship for there to be a leak of any truths.

There was footage of Bellew mentioning that Haye was injured prior to their first fight, he said it was leaked by someone from Hayes team so not that tight a ship.

Controversial wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 11:17

Spud wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 10:42 As suspected “Games” ...

Haye runs too tight a ship for there to be a leak of any truths.

There was footage of Bellew mentioning that Haye was injured prior to their first fight, he said it was leaked by someone from Hates team so not that tight a ship.

Yes i remember that.

bigjack wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 11:22

Controversial wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 11:17

Spud wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 10:42 As suspected “Games” ...

Haye runs too tight a ship for there to be a leak of any truths.

There was footage of Bellew mentioning that Haye was injured prior to their first fight, he said it was leaked by someone from Hates team so not that tight a ship.

Yes i remember that.

Yeah he said it in one of the pre-fight press conferences, didn’t he? Said he’d heard about Haye flying to Germany to see a specialist?

Spud wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 10:42 As suspected “Games” ...

Haye runs too tight a ship for there to be a leak of any truths.

We heard about Haye flying to see a specialist in Germany, about his achilles, a week before he ruptured his achilles in a fight he was supposedly fit for

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 11:47

bigjack wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 11:22

Controversial wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 11:17

There was footage of Bellew mentioning that Haye was injured prior to their first fight, he said it was leaked by someone from Hates team so not that tight a ship.

Yes i remember that.

Yeah he said it in one of the pre-fight press conferences, didn’t he? Said he’d heard about Haye flying to Germany to see a specialist?

About an ankle ligament wasnt it? Hmmm wonder why his ligament went in the fight then? Also in the joshua fight the ref stopped it early and ppl saying it was to protect the fighter,why didnt the ref protect the fighter in the haye vs bellew fight then if its the refs job to protect them? It was clear haye couldnt stand up let alone throw punches but the ref let it go on. He should of been struck off

One of my favourite examples of no logic is the whole "He was not injured until the 6th (or was it 7th" round" which is spieled. Days out of the fight, rumours bouncing around everywhere that he is not only injured but the rumours specifically say he has hurt his Achilles tendon. He limps into the ring, placing foot carefully flat and not heel down first, then lo and behold, the Achilles snaps and people deny he was injured pre-fight.