Anthony Joshua a racist?

[Ossyrules]

Well never know if his account was truly hacked I guess

ya on the one hand if your a public figure your more vulnerable to this and it can happen, on the other hand if you do say stupid poo you can just excuse it away as being hacked, especially if the 'fake account' response doesnt work

btw ppl dismissing it as fake immedieatly, now id say it doesnt seem like his public persona, but sitting back you may not know what ppl are really like beyond media and shouldnt immediately assume innocence. ill settle for not sure

Yeah I agree, I was one whose gut instinct was it was surely a fake. Seemed pretty odd to be real

There’s only so many times my account was hacked will wash though, so I don’t think Joshua will get the benefit of the doubt again next time

It took them a while to state his account was hacked in fairness, which also smells a bit

[danconnollyeire]

I think everybody is a racist, if I hear what Daffy sometimes says, or what Wilder sometimes says.
I'm usually more annoyed by people claiming someone else is a racist as by the so called racists themself.

Odd, but true.

You would, esp how racist Holland is at the mo

[danconnollyeire]

Can't believe anyone buys into this. Why on earth would he randomly contact Eddie Chambers someone who he has no beef with?

You guys are so gullible.

He's Tyson Fury's mate

[candyslim]

Team AJ claim his account was hacked. So it was indeed Joshua's account that sent those messages.

Unfortunately, their excuse doesn't entirely clear Anthony's name, because there's no way of knowing whether they're telling the truth or not.

I guess the media and AJ's fans will need to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it’s inevitable that some people, including myself, will remain sceptical, given the fact that Joshua’s media-savvy image is almost too perfect to be true, especially considering the misdemeanours he committed in his youth.

You surprise me EO. I'm not saying you're wrong, in fact your comments are more in tune with the way I see it, but I would have had you down as a champion of the "Innocent until proven guilty principle" knowing how averse you are to unsubstantiated speculation. (No need to respond that it has been established that it was AJ's account, I accept that part is not unsubstantiated)

I think that principle is a sound basis for a system of law but the downside is that many scumbags walk free for want of evidence that goes beyond reasonable doubt. Outside the courts of law I think an opinion based on best available evidence or most likely sequence of events, works well enough.

As a Joshua fan I'm quite happy to go with the innocent until proven guilty principle on this occasion as it suits me to do so, but if he is guilty ...

1. Provided one doesn't break any laws then your beliefs are your own business or should be. If one is a racist or indeed some other kind of a-hole then that's an unfortunate or unpleasant character flaw, but there is no reason to expect that someone who excels in the field of sports should be an entirely admirable personality.

2. It doesn't make him less of a boxer and he will continue to have my admiration as a sportsman.

3. Some of the people I most admire in music are notorious wankers but their music sounds none the worse for that.

For all this laissez-faire on my part, I really do hope he doesn't think like that, but if he does, I'm not going to let it bother me.

[asdfjkl]

I think everybody is a racist, if I hear what Daffy sometimes says, or what Wilder sometimes says.
I'm usually more annoyed by people claiming someone else is a racist as by the so called racists themself.

Odd, but true.

You would, esp how racist Holland is at the mo

Lol, Rotterdam was the first city in the world with over 50% foreigners, Amsterdam got more different nationalities as any other city in the world, more then London, New York, Moscow, name it.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think everybody is a racist, if I hear what Daffy sometimes says, or what Wilder sometimes says.
I'm usually more annoyed by people claiming someone else is a racist as by the so called racists themself.

Odd, but true.

You would, esp how racist Holland is at the mo

Lol, Rotterdam was the first city in the world with over 50% foreigners, Amsterdam got more different nationalities as any other city in the world, more then London, New York, Moscow, name it.

That clearly isn't true. No way is Amsterdam more cosmopolitan than London.

[Stuarty]

You would, esp how racist Holland is at the mo

Lol, Rotterdam was the first city in the world with over 50% foreigners, Amsterdam got more different nationalities as any other city in the world, more then London, New York, Moscow, name it.

That clearly isn't true. No way is Amsterdam more cosmopolitan than London.

You aren't even gonna seriously entertain that crackpot by disagreeing with his James surely

[Enlightened-One]

Team AJ claim his account was hacked. So it was indeed Joshua's account that sent those messages.

Unfortunately, their excuse doesn't entirely clear Anthony's name, because there's no way of knowing whether they're telling the truth or not.

I guess the media and AJ's fans will need to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it’s inevitable that some people, including myself, will remain sceptical, given the fact that Joshua’s media-savvy image is almost too perfect to be true, especially considering the misdemeanours he committed in his youth.

You surprise me EO. I'm not saying you're wrong, in fact your comments are more in tune with the way I see it, but I would have had you down as a champion of the "Innocent until proven guilty principle" knowing how averse you are to unsubstantiated speculation. (No need to respond that it has been established that it was AJ's account, I accept that part is not unsubstantiated)

I think that principle is a sound basis for a system of law but the downside is that many scumbags walk free for want of evidence that goes beyond reasonable doubt. Outside the courts of law I think an opinion based on best available evidence or most likely sequence of events, works well enough.

As a Joshua fan I'm quite happy to go with the innocent until proven guilty principle on this occasion as it suits me to do so, but if he is guilty ...

1. Provided one doesn't break any laws then your beliefs are your own business or should be. If one is a racist or indeed some other kind of a-hole then that's an unfortunate or unpleasant character flaw, but there is no reason to expect that someone who excels in the field of sports should be an entirely admirable personality.

2. It doesn't make him less of a boxer and he will continue to have my admiration as a sportsman.

3. Some of the people I most admire in music are notorious wankers but their music sounds none the worse for that.

For all this laissez-faire on my part, I really do hope he doesn't think like that, but if he does, I'm not going to let it bother me.

I’m willing to give Joshua the benefit of the doubt and assume his innocence in regards to this matter, because there’s not enough evidence to claim otherwise, but I am also willing to consider the notion that the Brit may have possibly made a silly mistake and his team have tried their upmost to protect his highly-valuable image via the use of an incredibly convenient excuse that cannot be verified.

I would like to believe that AJ is not racist, but boxers are only human and they have their flaws just like the rest of us, so maybe there's more to this story than Team Joshua are willing to admit.

[gp.]

Whether he believed it or not, he wouldn't make a public statement like that unless he were monumentally stupid or drunk.

If he is that stupid or drinks that extent - and he doesn't seem that stupid - then Eddie Hearn wouldn't let him have control of his own official social media accounts. They would be run by a secretary somewhere.

Either both he and Hearn are degrees of magnitude more stupid than they appear to be, or his account has been hacked.

[Tony1244]

Wow, an athlete said something stupid. What a shock.

What Joshua said was stupid too. Almost as stupid as Chambers thinking he deserves a title shot.

[asdfjkl]

Lol, Rotterdam was the first city in the world with over 50% foreigners, Amsterdam got more different nationalities as any other city in the world, more then London, New York, Moscow, name it.

That clearly isn't true. No way is Amsterdam more cosmopolitan than London.

You aren't even gonna seriously entertain that crackpot by disagreeing with his James surely

https://theculturetrip.com/north-americ ... the-world/

[Blodhemn]

"I got hacked" is the new "I took tainted supplements".

Praying it was a fake account, that's what y'all have come to. When people have been pointing out AJ being fake for years. Already know his fucked up past, but Sir AJ gets a pass for any and everything. Now we are supposed to believe someone hacked AJ and started poo with an absolutely forgotten fighter who hasn't mattered in a decade and was barely known even then? Lol. Like the folks that actually know AJ have said all along, "The real AJ is coming out". Let's see how much longer fans choose to remain blind about this guy.

Long winded rebuttals nor euphemistic language can change opinions or help his cause. Just face it, he fucked up big time. The real AJ been hiding so long he had to pop up sometime.

Yeah, Joshua has always come off as fake to me.

[candyslim]

That's a pretty depressing way to look at it isn't it? If he behaves like an a-hole that's ok that's being true to himself.

If he behaves like a gentleman, respectful of anyone who shows him the same courtesy, then he's a fake?

Maybe he is a fake but I'm glad I'm not so cynical that I assume any apparently very likable person is automatically a fake. Hopefully something about AJ made you suspect that, rather than that being your default expectation for all nice guys.

[jamamb]

That's a pretty depressing way to look at it isn't it? If he behaves like an a-hole that's ok that's being true to himself.

If he behaves like a gentleman, respectful of anyone who shows him the same courtesy, then he's a fake?

Maybe he is a fake but I'm glad I'm not so cynical that I assume any apparently very likable person is automatically a fake. Hopefully something about AJ made you suspect that, rather than that being your default expectation for all nice guys.

i suppose a totally good person is someone who doesnt need to fake it. if they show their true self they show goodness, or at least there wont be a big discrepancy.

thing is though, i wonder how many perfectly clean ppl are out there. i think most reasonable ppl and ppl who are caring and do much good have certain moments every now and then or private beliefs that would be looked down upon if they were uncovered.since they ususally arent public figures this stuff doesnt come to light as much

if aj really did say it i honestly dont think it makes him any more bad then your average person, but it is a racist, bigotted remark and is at odds with his image of not a normal person, but but one of exceptional character.

[Dixonian]

That's a pretty depressing way to look at it isn't it? If he behaves like an a-hole that's ok that's being true to himself.

If he behaves like a gentleman, respectful of anyone who shows him the same courtesy, then he's a fake?

Maybe he is a fake but I'm glad I'm not so cynical that I assume any apparently very likable person is automatically a fake. Hopefully something about AJ made you suspect that, rather than that being your default expectation for all nice guys.

i suppose a totally good person is someone who doesnt need to fake it. if they show their true self they show goodness, or at least there wont be a big discrepancy.

thing is though, i wonder how many perfectly clean ppl are out there. i think most reasonable ppl and ppl who are caring and do much good have certain moments every now and then or private beliefs that would be looked down upon if they were uncovered.since they ususally arent public figures this stuff doesnt come to light as much

if aj really did say it i honestly dont think it makes him any more bad then your average person, but it is a racist, bigotted remark and is at odds with his image of not a normal person, but but one of exceptional character.

Judging someone's good character is a difficult thing to do. People are often contradictory and/or inconsistent. Like Enoch Powell for example. Here was a man openly racist and yet spoke out against apartheid on the grounds that it was morally wrong - indeed he dissented against his own party on the matter.

Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent there...

[SFW]

That's a pretty depressing way to look at it isn't it? If he behaves like an a-hole that's ok that's being true to himself.

If he behaves like a gentleman, respectful of anyone who shows him the same courtesy, then he's a fake?

Maybe he is a fake but I'm glad I'm not so cynical that I assume any apparently very likable person is automatically a fake. Hopefully something about AJ made you suspect that, rather than that being your default expectation for all nice guys.

Yes something's, plural. Nothing is going to interrupt the incessant cheerleading for AJ but we don't have to buy this neat little package Hearn and Sky have sold him in. You barely have to open the AJ book to see he's no Angel. Public persona is nice, but it means fornicate all relative to how one acts when not in the public eye. Not sure why it would surprise anyone to be suspicious of a guy who's already known for drugs with the law, suspected of ped use in his own profession, and now he's got some race related shit to throw around. Maybe he's not that bad, I'd love to know the truth, but that's one thing we won't be getting unless he has a meltdown. AJ generates too much revenue and noise for his "baggage" to become an obstacle, unless he really is the tool some suspect him to be and it comes out full force. It's amazing what can be hidden. Tom Cruise has been a fruitcake for decades, we didn't know til he was jumping on Oprah's couch.

[candyslim]

Well I'm not going to hold against him what he got up to in his youth. I've not heard anything too terrible. Given that he's undergone random drug screening since becoming an amateur international, I don't see how he could be doing PEDs. I'm pretty sure Eddie Hearn said that in the lead-up to the Takam fight, including on the day of the fight, Joshua was tested for drugs fourteen times by four different agencies, including UKAD and VADA. He isn't going to lie about it is he, because there are people in a position to know, and who would be able to debunk any false claims.

Anyway we will all believe what we want to believe until anything is proven. That's loaded too because he could get caught for any wrongdoing but proof that he is keeping entirely on the straight and narrow is almost impossible to come by. It's like it may be very easy to prove that you have been to any place you care to name, Philadelphia let's say, but how would you prove you'd never been there?

Because he can't prove his innocence, I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't deny an element of bias in favour of a national sporting icon, but I'd like to think I'd apply the same principle to anyone I'm not a fan of too. I'm probably kidding myself. If I don't like the guy I dare say I can be as shitty and as unreasonable as most

[Evander]

Doesn't it blow you away when for as long as I can remember that a comment such as Anthony Joshua's coming from a white person would have been roundly attacked and been called racism.
Talk about a double standard.
Anthony Joshua has dropped in my estimation as a person, good boxer no question about it but a horrible piece of work as a man.

[candyslim]

We don't know that is what he said do we, although I have to admit the denial sounds a bit lame. There is definitely a double-standard but I guess that's what you get for 250+ years of oppression, not that our generations can be accused of participating in that.

Face it if you're a straight male WASP people who resent you are not going to be too difficult to find

[jamamb]

ppl who resent any given white are as lame as ppl who resent any given black, etc. treat ppl as individuals. there are so many differences btwn whites, btwn blacks, etc.

[Kalan]

If joshua thinks black people are superior to white, than why not.

1). This has nothing to do with white people, Joshua simply said "superior black race", meaning superior to all other races.
2). Would you take this stance if a white person said "superior white race"?

He can think what he wants to think. Its called freedom.

This is not about what he "thinks", it's about him expressing it, whilst being a public figure. It severely damages his reputation if he really believe this. Yes he has the freedom to believe that, but his nice guy image goes out the window if he really does believe it.

And again, would you take this stance if a white person said the equivalent?

I hate violance and when somebody attacks somebody because of race. But thinking you are superior and you proud of your race. 0 problem with that.

Bitchmove from chambers..snitch

You're obviously a black racist. He didn't say he thinks he's superior, he said blacks are the "superior race". You're very dense.

He is black and since he said blacks are the superior race, that makes him superior in his mind, since he is black and part of that superior race.

You re obviously very stupid calling somebody a black racist, just because he said everybody can think what they want to think.

You say he is a public figure. True. But that were private messages between him and chambers and just a snitchmove by chambers.

A white person can think or say they the best on earth
A chinese person can think or say they the best on earth
Anybody can say and think what they want. If charlie z thinks he is the best boxer ever p4p, than so be it, than in his mind he is the goat of boxing. Do i have to aggree, no. But does it bother me no. Anybody can think what they want

They can... But if they're a public figure they have to behave themselves or pay the consequences...which I'm all for... I'm positive those comments didn't come from Joshua... His toughest professional fight to date was with a white man.. The only guy to knock him out in the amateurs was a white man -- so I'm certain he doesn't even think those things..

In my life I've come across 25 or 30 individuals out of many thousands who argued that their race was better than others.. I always ask them "Why is that important to you??? Are there any black people who are doing better than you and are more accomplished than you???" Or if they're a black person the opposite question.. Racial superiority is a myth.. Why waste time thinking like that? There's enough bias in the world.

[TheGingerBomber]

I think it's sad that Fury was the victim of a witch hunt whilst AJ's racist comment is being swept under the carpet.

Still can't believe he'd message Eddie Chambers. Why not Fury? Or Wilder? Like, even if it was a hacker you'd want a bigger platform than a heavyweight outside the top 30.

[Evander]

Last time I checked ... Joshua would have been held to account.

[Evander]

Lets find out if the Liberals/Minorities are really anti racist

It's a good test.

[Evander]

They won't attack Joshua for saying he thinks Blacks are a superior race.
That's what he said.