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Re: The Last of "the Great White Hopes"

Posted: 14 Jan 2025, 21:27
by Caractacus
people who had seen Jack Dempsey fight early on, had said he was a larger version of Jack Dillon.

Re: The Last of "the Great White Hopes"

Posted: 22 Jan 2025, 15:16
by Benny The Kid
In my white hope ranking I use fighters a bit deeper in the teens. I believe Dempsey was fighting many of them long since Johnson. Billy miske & Bill Brennon & Fred Fulton & Jack renault & Luis Firpo & Floyd Johnson all these guy's I would group in the white hope era as It didn't end just because Johnson was gone, I more look at it as an era.

Re: The Last of "the Great White Hopes"

Posted: 22 Jan 2025, 17:49
by Caractacus
Caractacus wrote: 12 Dec 2017, 20:13

(in 1960)
Bombardier Billy Wells-age 71 yrs
Jimmy Wilde-68 yrs.
Ted Kid Lewis-67 yrs
Georges Carpentier-66 yrs

Len Harvey-53 yrs
Jack Kid Berg-51 yrs

Freddie Mills-41 yrs
Terry Downs-24 yrs
so that must be Ted Broadribb aka "Young Snowball' then at 0:18 then ?
a mystery solved after 8 years.
( had never heard of him presviously))

Re: The Last of "the Great White Hopes"

Posted: 27 Dec 2025, 15:10
by Cap
Strictly speaking the Great White Hope after Jim Jeffries failed effort against Johnson, was Jess Willard. Simply because the whole point of white hopes was to defeat Jack Johnson. Willard turned out to be a dud at the box office after he won the title from Jack. He didn't like the fight game and hated training. The big fella that whipped Johnson would have put up a much better scrap against Dempsey. The out-of-condition behemoth that got slaughtered at Toledo wasn't much better than the guy who later lost to Firpo.

Re: The Last of "the Great White Hopes"

Posted: 28 Mar 2026, 13:18
by Caractacus
Frank Moran had lived up until 1967.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Moran