cases where u/you disagree with most ppl

[Boxerbeetle]

I still think haye could knock out Joshua. ..
I think canelo has the judge's in his pocket...
I think quigg beats frampton easy in the rematch..
I think Parker is not in the top 10 heavyweights
I also think eubank jnr is the most exciting fighter in the world....
I also think eddie hearn is so far ahead of other promoters it's outrageous

I don’t think many people disagree with that statement

[jamamb]

SOGgy v Krushedner I = 114-113 SOGgy

Pac v Bradley I = 115-113 Bradley

I agree with this completely.

u also had timmy beating manny 115-113?

[MarkMcBurney]

SOGgy v Krushedner I = 114-113 SOGgy

Pac v Bradley I = 115-113 Bradley

I agree with this completely.

u also had timmy beating manny 115-113?

Yes. Manny hit nothing but arms all night IMO.

[Tomasino]

DeLaHoya vs Hopkins was a fix.

Holy won the 2nd Lewis fight.

Tyson would never have beaten Evander.

Marciano would beat Liston.

Ken Buchanan was coming on in his fight with Duran.

Ward beat Kovalev both times.

Kovalev quit.

[jamamb]

cant say i really thought tim did any better at landing

[jamamb]

DeLaHoya vs Hopkins was a fix.

Holy won the 2nd Lewis fight.

Tyson would never have beaten Evander.

Marciano would beat Liston.

Ken Buchanan was coming on in his fight with Duran.

Ward beat Kovalev both times.

Kovalev quit.

glad you brought sonny up. i think liston is one of the most overrated heavys ever

[Tomasino]

DeLaHoya vs Hopkins was a fix.

Holy won the 2nd Lewis fight.

Tyson would never have beaten Evander.

Marciano would beat Liston.

Ken Buchanan was coming on in his fight with Duran.

Ward beat Kovalev both times.

Kovalev quit.

glad you brought sonny up. i think liston is one of the most overrated heavys ever

He had a great jab and good power, was very strong but I see nothing that shows he could take what Rocky dished out.

[prime]

Bernard Hopkins wasnt the warrior he makes out he is, barely got touched low against Calzaghe and was like a tart rolling around looking for a test, swallowed against Dawson with the arm 'injury'
Mayweather lost to Maidana in the first fight (watch without sound and sicophantic commentary)
Sky sports pundits and staff are just Eddie Hearn yes men !!

[stujones]

Ali vs Liston 2 was legitimate - just incompetent refereeing of the highest order.

[thepocketrocket]

Calzaghe only beat Kessler by a round

Hopkins beat Calzaghe

Hamed's decline was more about his reflexes going rather than laziness, Little Prince Big Fight was meant to be a show which showed he could do what he wanted and still win, yet he was still training hard in background.

Eubank was pretty bang average and benefitted from the WBO needing a visible champion in their formative years.

[PredatorHayds]

I thought Wlad nicked the Fury fight.

I thought Barrera beat Morales by a load of rounds in the first fight.

Joe Louis the best HW of all time by a fair margin.

Angelo Dundee was a glorified cheer-leader.

I view Aaron Pryor the same way I do Antonio Margarito. Both cheats and over-rated.

Cubans are over-rated as professionals their styles don’t bode well for pay.

Emile Griffith should have a Hollywood film. Incredible life.
Griffith-Paret the most under-rated trilogy ever.

Luis Rodriguez under-rated.

Carlos Ortiz under-rated.

The Italian Duilio Loi criminally overlooked.

Andre Dirrell unbeaten on my score-cards.

Sorry for the mini-rant. Got carried away. Loads more in my locker.

[banjo]

Bernard Hopkins wasnt the warrior he makes out he is, barely got touched low against Calzaghe and was like a tart rolling around looking for a test, swallowed against Dawson with the arm 'injury'
Mayweather lost to Maidana in the first fight (watch without sound and sicophantic commentary)
Sky sports pundits and staff are just Eddie Hearn yes men !!

I don't think anyone disagrees with that last point.

[banjo]

I massively disagree with the Greatest of all Time arguments, you can only beat what is put in front of you at the time you are fighting, if a heavyweight came along and annihilated every current heavyweight in the top 10 in 3 rounds or less you couldn't go "yeah but he didn't fight a Mike Tyson pre -1989" because obviously it's not possible. We tend to look back on the past with rose tinted glasses and denigrate modern sportsmen.

It's like criticising Lennox Lewis because he never fought a prime Mike Tyson even Lewis was still an amateur when Tyson was at his prime, the reason why that bout didn't happen until Tyson was a washed up 36 year old was entirely the fault of Tyson and his handlers.

[gilgamesh]

Canelo vs Lara wasn't the least bit controversial, Canelo legitimately won clear. His body shots were the best shots of the fight.

Same goes for Canelo vs Cotto.

I did however think Trout edged Canelo.

Everyone acts like Mayweather beat Castillo via whitewash in the rematch. He didn't. At best it was a 115-113 victory in my view. Could even be a draw.

Joel Casamayor should've gotten the decision in the rematch (2nd fight) with Diego Corrales. (not sure what the consensus is on that actually)

I'm sure there's more, but that's all I got for now.

[Jackson328]

also think ggg is the biggest hype job ever and wouldve been mullered by froch. pretty much any world class smw wouldve beaten him too. groves, jack, degale, prime dirrrll, etc.canelo was a far better boxer against ggg.

GGG is a career middleweight in fairness and not a huge one either. I agree about the Canelo bit though and I was among the minority who had Alvares beating Golovkin.

[smiling assassin]

Most people disagree with me but I still think Jimmy Saville was a good man

[Jackson328]

Calzaghe only beat Kessler by a round

Hopkins beat Calzaghe

Hamed's decline was more about his reflexes going rather than laziness, Little Prince Big Fight was meant to be a show which showed he could do what he wanted and still win, yet he was still training hard in background.

Eubank was pretty bang average and benefitted from the WBO needing a visible champion in their formative years.

I recall having Calzaghe/Kessler closer than most.

Hopkins bitched out vs Calzaghe imho, Joe made him look silly with superior speed and wasn't psyched out at all.

Hamed was the typical schoolyard bully vs Barrera and picked on the wrong kid, although in fairness to Naz when he realised he couldn't bully him he took his beating like a man and didn't try to quit or cheat his way to a win.

I always felt that Eubank Sr was a woeful boxer, not one for the purists at all, he just had a ridiculously hard chin ( a la Froch) and a sledgehammer right hand along with a warriors heart. Not a bad combination and it paid off for him but he was not a good exponent of the noble art at all for me.

[Ricky_]

Heres some controverial ones:

Pacquiao beat Marquez fight 1, 3. Bradley fight 1, Mayweather & Jeff Horn. That's 4 wins he was done out of imo.

Groves was fine the first Froch bout- most seem to think he was done, he would have recovered.

Hagler-Hearns is overrated & pales in comparison to JMM vs Pac 4.

Joshua is ass and skill wise wouldn't be good enough to get near a world title in any other weight class.

Thurman is boring.

Kovalev is better than Ward.

Hopkins is overrated.

Jim Watt was the best boxing commentator the UK has had in my time watching the sport.

[Deserter]

Pacquiao beat... Mayweather

I'm no Mayweather fan, but I don't think even Pacquiao himself thought he beat him...

[jamamb]

agree ricky on hearns hagler being an overrated fight

[Grilling Machine]

Didn't he admit in public he could not beat Herol Graham and that he would never fight him ? He did drop him hard in sparring though. Johnny Nelson mentioned it in his autobiography

According to Brendan it was the other way around — Graham schooled Eubank in sparring. I've never heard about any knockdowns either way. Graham was a better boxer, but Eubank was a huge middleweight and Graham tended to fade. Herol once said that he knew he was a lazy trainer, but I'm not sure when that was. I think it was quite early in his career, and he seemed fully committed by the end of it. I think Graham might've been able to beat Watson in a skills-based fight, but I see Eubank as too tough for him unless he made no mistakes for a points win.

@bbjc, I know exactly what you mean about Calzaghe. His career flattered him, but at the same time, I don't feel we ever saw the very best of him. After Eubank he was in contention but stayed in the UK, and then his hands started to go. Just as Haye looked fantastic against Garry Delaney, Joe did against Mark. Their career paths have been similar, I think, with tons of wasted talent.

Joe Louis the best HW of all time by a fair margin.

Angelo Dundee was a glorified cheer-leader.

Agreed on both, but would you place Holmes ahead of Ali? I think I'm somewhat inclined to, but it's a hard call because we never saw him fight Foreman.

Griffith-Paret the most under-rated trilogy ever.

The Italian Duilio Loi criminally overlooked.

A trilogy with a tragic ending, unfortunately. Else I hope it would've been more widely known. Loi had the most economical defence I've ever seen, making the majority of shots miss with minimal energy. I guess he didn't get much of a ‘push’, to borrow a wrasslin' term.

Here's another I've thought of: McCall has the greatest chin in history.

[PredatorHayds]

Didn't he admit in public he could not beat Herol Graham and that he would never fight him ? He did drop him hard in sparring though. Johnny Nelson mentioned it in his autobiography

According to Brendan it was the other way around — Graham schooled Eubank in sparring. I've never heard about any knockdowns either way. Graham was a better boxer, but Eubank was a huge middleweight and Graham tended to fade. Herol once said that he knew he was a lazy trainer, but I'm not sure when that was. I think it was quite early in his career, and he seemed fully committed by the end of it. I think Graham might've been able to beat Watson in a skills-based fight, but I see Eubank as too tough for him unless he made no mistakes for a points win.

@bbjc, I know exactly what you mean about Calzaghe. His career flattered him, but at the same time, I don't feel we ever saw the very best of him. After Eubank he was in contention but stayed in the UK, and then his hands started to go. Just as Haye looked fantastic against Garry Delaney, Joe did against Mark. Their career paths have been similar, I think, with tons of wasted talent.

Joe Louis the best HW of all time by a fair margin.

Angelo Dundee was a glorified cheer-leader.

Agreed on both, but would you place Holmes ahead of Ali? I think I'm somewhat inclined to, but it's a hard call because we never saw him fight Foreman.

Griffith-Paret the most under-rated trilogy ever.

The Italian Duilio Loi criminally overlooked.

A trilogy with a tragic ending, unfortunately. Else I hope it would've been more widely known. Loi had the most economical defence I've ever seen, making the majority of shots miss with minimal energy. I guess he didn't get much of a ‘push’, to borrow a wrasslin' term.

Here's another I've thought of: McCall has the greatest chin in history.

I place Ali #2 behind Louis. Don’t think Holmes has a win as good as Ali’s Foreman one on his record.
Holmes was a victim of circumstance. His biggest win was probably Cooney.
Hopefully Doc Brown shows up in his Delorean with a couple of peak Heavyweights for him.
Prime Holmes didn’t switch off like a Prime Lewis so you got to have Larry above Lennox.

[josco]

Tbh I have never really rated Tyson Fury and even thought some of his earlier results were a bit dodgy - never been to any of his fights live though. Even so I do remember being absolutely gobsmacked when Rogie went down and even more so when he did not get up. Mind you, I even went on record once saying that Manny was overrated and I was totally convinced that Pricey would be world champ and,earlier, that John McDermott was the next white hope. Totally pathetic I know.

Casual

That was a thought - but more of a casual these days I suppose ; although in days of some yore was a bit of a regular at Johnny Best’s shows. Not many 15 rounders these days though.

[MarkMcBurney]

Degale is over rated for me. Lost to Medina and Jack IMO, and would lose comfortably against Groves again.

[MarkMcBurney]

Most people disagree with me but I still think Jimmy Saville was a good man

I'll not hear a bad word said about him. He fixed it for me to milk a cow blindfolded once.