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handsofstone wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 16:51 Lomachenko is by far my favourite boxer to watch of all time, his skillset is other worldly , he still needs a handful of defining fights though to be remembered alongside Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Leonard, Hearns etc

I think he's improving every fight as well, ive never noticed someone move through the gears the way he does, he could singlehandedly change the evoloution of the sport as to how kids prepare, train and fight, I effing love the pudendum

victor-romeo wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 15:28 So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

Deserter wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 14:55

JeanClaude Van Damme wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 07:04 Floyd and Roy also would have starched a Salido caliber fighter instead of losing.

Yep, just like Floyd did against Castillo you mean?

pound per pound wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 10:06

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 01:44 I know Loma gets a lot of hype. But, he deserves it. In the 20 some odd years I've been following the sport, he is by far the best I've ever seen.

Best I’ve seen in, in 20 years too. You have to go back to Sugar Ray Robinson to find skills like this and even he gets hit more often

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 17:41

victor-romeo wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 15:28 So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

How many future dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?

SenorPipino wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 18:01

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 17:41

victor-romeo wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 15:28 So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

How many future dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?

Absolutely correct.

In the long run, the guy has a record sprinkled with victories over non-entities and a couple of wins over 2 decent fighters. And now suddenly you get a horde of worshippers who hail him as a combination of every ATG fighter who ever stepped into the squared circle.

And we're not even talking about a DEFEAT to a fighter who can best be described as a very rugged journeyman.

Victory last night over the talented but aging, smallish Rigondeaux, does not entitle Lomachenko to icon status.

Let's see him move up and defeat some actual elite fighters in the 135 and 140 lb. classes.

I expect Bob Arum to wax non-stop B.S. about Loma's supposedly "otherworldly skills".

That's his fighter and he's expected to hype him to the limit. He calls just about every star fighter he has ever promoted "the best I've ever seen." Until they jump ship from TR. Then they're garbage.

I also understand ESPN spending 3 hours breathlessly reciting every aspect of Loma's career and life, as if they've witnessed the Resurrection itself in the fighter.

The network has a juicy, lucrative contract with Arum so you know what to expect in the way of bias.

But I don't expect actual boxing fans to go "Golly Gee, I think he's better than Robinson," when the guy has a whopping

11 professional fights and one of them is a defeat.

If he moved up to lightweight and there was a Roberto Duran around, Lomachenko, along with his Godlike status, would be run clear out of the ring.

Kalan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 17:59 [

pound per pound wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 10:06

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 01:44 I know Loma gets a lot of hype. But, he deserves it. In the 20 some odd years I've been following the sport, he is by far the best I've ever seen.

Best I’ve seen in, in 20 years too. You have to go back to Sugar Ray Robinson to find skills like this and even he gets hit more often

Sugar Ray Robinson has a much worse record in World Title Defenses than Lomachenko has...

Robinson was 8-3 and getting beaten by guys who couldn't box very well like Fullmer, Basilio, and Turpin... Robinson also lost to Ralph Jones who came into the Robinson fight with 5 straight losses -- but nonetheless Jones was a tough infighter who knocked Hell out of Sugar Ray Robinson and was never able to secure a rematch or get a Title Shot out of the upset... Robinson 1st Title Fight came against 2nd rater Tommy Bell and didn't go swimmingly.... Robinson was decked hard and had to go the distance with with Bell who went down to his 11th loss after closing strong in the final 3 rounds.

Anthony Joshua was asked if he were pushing his career too fast by fighting Charles Martin for a Heavyweight Championship when he had only 15 pro fights.... "What if you lose the fight?"

AJ said "I don't even want to talk about losing, or think about losing... But you asked the question so it deserves an answer.. I'll do what Martin would do if he loses.. I'm a human being.. I could lose.. I'd go back to the drawing board and figure out my mistakes... I'd figure out what went wrong if I got knocked out - or hopefully I lost on points... I'd be like Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and other great fighters who got upset by long shots... You learn from it and carry on... But the way the game is today, I can't afford to lose... If I ever lost you guys will never let me forget it."

Lomachenko is not an American... He wasn't appreciated for a while... He's now 9-1 in World Title Fights because of a robbery in his 2nd pro fight... He responded to that robbery by ramping up his skills to a massive degree... They tried very hard to rob him against Russell, but it was impossible... Lisa Giampa still made a determined effort and scored it a draw. But the way Robinson stood there and exchanged punches, taking big shots ... you'll never see that from Lomachenko. Undefeated fighters on a skill level of Russell, Walters, and Rigondeaux are just boxers the caliber that Robinson never met.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 17:20

handsofstone wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 16:51 Lomachenko is by far my favourite boxer to watch of all time, his skillset is other worldly , he still needs a handful of defining fights though to be remembered alongside Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Leonard, Hearns etc

I think he's improving every fight as well, ive never noticed someone move through the gears the way he does, he could singlehandedly change the evoloution of the sport as to how kids prepare, train and fight, I effing love the pudendum

So you reckon he's half-decent then?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 17:41

victor-romeo wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 15:28 So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

How many future dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?

JeanClaude Van Damme wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 06:59 Ray Robinson didn't need 174 victories, all he needed to do was beat a Cuban phenom in an uncompetitive weight class.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 19:57 I'll go with number 1 p4p ... but GOAT?

Looking at their sizes in the ring, it reminded me of Floyd VS JMM.
Don't remember many Floyd is the GOAT after that fight.
I remember that Floyd "was picking on a smaller fighter",
and then had the audacity to "gain an extra 2 pound advantage ".

Similar to Floyd/JMM, I think the fight would have been the same at any weight/time.
The most I could see Rigo doing was "winning" 3 rounds like the first.

Lomachenko is pretty good.
I guess the last thing to see him to is dominate fighters bigger than him.

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:20

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 19:57 I'll go with number 1 p4p ... but GOAT?

Looking at their sizes in the ring, it reminded me of Floyd VS JMM.
Don't remember many Floyd is the GOAT after that fight.
I remember that Floyd "was picking on a smaller fighter",
and then had the audacity to "gain an extra 2 pound advantage ".

Similar to Floyd/JMM, I think the fight would have been the same at any weight/time.
The most I could see Rigo doing was "winning" 3 rounds like the first.

Lomachenko is pretty good.
I guess the last thing to see him to is dominate fighters bigger than him.

That is the fight I thought about. Difference is that FMJ v JMM wasn’t as competitive and JMM did not quit.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 19:26

JeanClaude Van Damme wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 06:59 Ray Robinson didn't need 174 victories, all he needed to do was beat a Cuban phenom in an uncompetitive weight class.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:22

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:20

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 19:57 I'll go with number 1 p4p ... but GOAT?

Looking at their sizes in the ring, it reminded me of Floyd VS JMM.
Don't remember many Floyd is the GOAT after that fight.
I remember that Floyd "was picking on a smaller fighter",
and then had the audacity to "gain an extra 2 pound advantage ".

Similar to Floyd/JMM, I think the fight would have been the same at any weight/time.
The most I could see Rigo doing was "winning" 3 rounds like the first.

Lomachenko is pretty good.
I guess the last thing to see him to is dominate fighters bigger than him.

That is the fight I thought about. Difference is that FMJ v JMM wasn’t as competitive and JMM did not quit.

Silly Comparison.

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:35 rigos best round by far was a round where they felt out and nothing happened.

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:42 thought was even myself. zero in it as pretty much nothing happened. all loma once there was actually action startng next round.

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:33

Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:22

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:20
That is the fight I thought about. Difference is that FMJ v JMM wasn’t as competitive and JMM did not quit.

Silly Comparison.

No it isn’t. The size difference was similar. The weight jump was similar. Not sure that JMM won a round. I had Rigo shading round 1.

JMM simply would never quit, unlike Rigo.

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:40

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:35 rigos best round by far was a round where they felt out and nothing happened.

Correct. Rigo edged the 1st round.

Kalan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:46

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:40

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:35 rigos best round by far was a round where they felt out and nothing happened.

Correct. Rigo edged the 1st round.

Two judges gave Rigo that round because the fix was in...