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Well, Saunders did even better than I said he would...

120-108 on my card. Only close round was the 11th.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 18:34

caldo2025 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 19:42
If I had to bet the fight, I'd bet on BJS with a late stoppage as a result of the above. I haven't seen a ton of BJS's fights but i've never seen him buzzed or goofy in the legs from a punch so i'm assuming he's got a good chin.

If the above happens then you have to give BJS a tip of the hat and put him right up there with GGG, Canelo, Charlo, and Jacobs. If BJS gets beaten by Lemieux then Lemieux deserves the winner of Canelo/GGG II. Plain and simple. Lemieux deserves it because he's mowed down people left and right.

Slow down a bit on Charlo. He's only beaten a crippled Heiland, so far at 160, and despite a couple of standout performances, he never cleared out 154 either. No reason yet to rank him above Lemieux, Saunders, Derevyanchenko or Murata.

I agree with most of everything else. This fight decides who's clear no.4 in the division. I don't see a Saunders KO, but I do think Lem is tailor made for him. The only chance I see for Lemieux to win, is either a KO within 4 (probably against the run of the action) or a robbery on the cards.

I'm going with Saunders to work him out and win a clear 9 rounds, which the official judges score slightly closer. Lem has been outboxed by worse technicians than BJS. Those fighters lacked a chin. Saunders has one, and he's as awkward and as crafty as they come.

You certainly nailed that prediction. I think that I may have just seen the guy that stands to be the toughest fight of GGGs career.

PS-that BJS that I just saw does the same exact thing to Canelo.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 01:32

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 18:34

caldo2025 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 19:42
If I had to bet the fight, I'd bet on BJS with a late stoppage as a result of the above. I haven't seen a ton of BJS's fights but i've never seen him buzzed or goofy in the legs from a punch so i'm assuming he's got a good chin.

If the above happens then you have to give BJS a tip of the hat and put him right up there with GGG, Canelo, Charlo, and Jacobs. If BJS gets beaten by Lemieux then Lemieux deserves the winner of Canelo/GGG II. Plain and simple. Lemieux deserves it because he's mowed down people left and right.

Slow down a bit on Charlo. He's only beaten a crippled Heiland, so far at 160, and despite a couple of standout performances, he never cleared out 154 either. No reason yet to rank him above Lemieux, Saunders, Derevyanchenko or Murata.

I agree with most of everything else. This fight decides who's clear no.4 in the division. I don't see a Saunders KO, but I do think Lem is tailor made for him. The only chance I see for Lemieux to win, is either a KO within 4 (probably against the run of the action) or a robbery on the cards.

I'm going with Saunders to work him out and win a clear 9 rounds, which the official judges score slightly closer. Lem has been outboxed by worse technicians than BJS. Those fighters lacked a chin. Saunders has one, and he's as awkward and as crafty as they come.

You certainly nailed that prediction. I think that I may have just seen the guy that stands to be the toughest fight of GGGs career.

PS-that BJS that I just saw does the same exact thing to Canelo.

I agree. That Saunders comfortably outboxes Canelo, and gives GGG fits. I'd still favour Golovkin to win (very slightly). Stylistically, Jacobs is probably the hardest fight for BJS. That's the one I probably wouldn't pick him to win.

Cas wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 21:30 Don't believe the hype. Lemieux will finish Saunders off. I will be shocked if Saunders doesn't get knocked out.

Lemieux in six rounds. Saunders is in deep.

Dont give up the day job.

Jip wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 23:20 F%;;#k saunders. He weak

Lemieaux KO round 1

Sounds like a lot of people are clueless...

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 18:34

caldo2025 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 19:42
If I had to bet the fight, I'd bet on BJS with a late stoppage as a result of the above. I haven't seen a ton of BJS's fights but i've never seen him buzzed or goofy in the legs from a punch so i'm assuming he's got a good chin.

If the above happens then you have to give BJS a tip of the hat and put him right up there with GGG, Canelo, Charlo, and Jacobs. If BJS gets beaten by Lemieux then Lemieux deserves the winner of Canelo/GGG II. Plain and simple. Lemieux deserves it because he's mowed down people left and right.

Slow down a bit on Charlo. He's only beaten a crippled Heiland, so far at 160, and despite a couple of standout performances, he never cleared out 154 either. No reason yet to rank him above Lemieux, Saunders, Derevyanchenko or Murata.

I agree with most of everything else. This fight decides who's clear no.4 in the division. I don't see a Saunders KO, but I do think Lem is tailor made for him. The only chance I see for Lemieux to win, is either a KO within 4 (probably against the run of the action) or a robbery on the cards.

I'm going with Saunders to work him out and win a clear 9 rounds, which the official judges score slightly closer. Lem has been outboxed by worse technicians than BJS. Those fighters lacked a chin. Saunders has one, and he's as awkward and as crafty as they come.

Yup, pretty much Jermall didn't do nothing at 160 to suggest he's a force. I'd like to see him against Jacobs, Derev, Murata or Andrade.

Saunders didn't stop Lemieux but he boxed his ears.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 22:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 18:11I'm expecting a late Saunders stoppage, victory, unless Lemieux loses ambition and tries to survive.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Saunders has somehow turned into the second coming of Julie Jackson overnight, but I feel that even dripping water wears away stone.

What I mean by that, is my expectation that the cumulative effect of Saunders elusiveness and jabbing will overwhelm Lemieux during the later rounds.

Oh dear, I hope your not channelling Teddy Atlas there EO?
Let's nip that in the bud eh?

Yeah, you're right. I have a habit of using flamboyant phrases.


Anyway, in relation to last night's events, if you review all the comments I made about this fight in this thread (and even those from several months ago), you'll surely find that my prediction about the outcome of this bout wasn't that far from the mark.

It was only Lemieux's lack of ambition that allowed him to last the distance, but he still got busted up and worn down by a combination of Saunders' jab and elusiveness.

I know I shouldn't boast and I won't, but I received an awful lot of criticism from others due my faith in Billy Joe's ability to dominate Lemieux.

The CompuBox punch stats are an interesting read though, as it seems that Lemieux landed a total of five punches or less per round in seven rounds. The challenger never connected with more than ten punches during any of the rounds. Talk about being outclassed!

Fantastic performance by Saunders. He answered all of the questions. Its now hard to believe how bad he looked just 12 months ago.
He didn't walk the tightrope, he'd danced it.

Last night Saunders gave us a good Ali impersonation as we have seen for years. Frustrating for the home fans, but that's what you get with BJS.

Lemieux like many of us, probably can't believe it. I wonder if DLH still wants the fight for his boy.

How the hell did the judges manage to produce 117-111 and 118-110 scorecards?

Can anyone honestly identify three rounds that Saunders deserved to lose?

Lemieux could only land twelve jabs in total throughout the entire duration of the bout!

It's a good win for BJS and one that's put's him on the big fight radar.
I may have underated BJS boxing ability because he's shown against Monroe and Lemieux he possesess a style that maybe a little more sophisticated than some of us were originally inclined to think.
His potential opponents be them GGG, Canelo, Jacobs and Charlo can more realistically be seen as competitive bouts and worth a talk about.
Although not a power puncher his boxing ability compensates with it's varied and elaborate way of putting the punches together with a seemingly endless supply of artillery, he's physically athletic and mobile with a full gas tank who takes a good shot and has defensive capabilities to warrant being taken seriously. .
He's had a spurt of indiscipline in the past which is concerning, but more recently he's seemed to have shaken that off with some good personal performances illustrated with the win over Monroe and now Lemieux.
The potential opposition are very good fighters so I'd imagine he'd have his hands full with all of them at this point, the pending GGG Canelo rematch means he's not going to see any of those two until the second half of the year at the earliest.
Jacobs or Charlo would be interesting but the where when and how they unfold is anyones guess, BJS could have a warm up against lower level opposition and try to set up something bigger for later in the calender it's anyones guess.
However it plays out I'm sure BJS won't lack the drama or personality and be more than willing to stir the pot call out opponents and cause some mischief along the way to give the entire proceedings the BJS boisterous boxing touch and serve notice to the divisions elite fighters in the ongoing months that he's a force to be reckoned with.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 01:40

caldo2025 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 01:32

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 18:34

Slow down a bit on Charlo. He's only beaten a crippled Heiland, so far at 160, and despite a couple of standout performances, he never cleared out 154 either. No reason yet to rank him above Lemieux, Saunders, Derevyanchenko or Murata.

I agree with most of everything else. This fight decides who's clear no.4 in the division. I don't see a Saunders KO, but I do think Lem is tailor made for him. The only chance I see for Lemieux to win, is either a KO within 4 (probably against the run of the action) or a robbery on the cards.

I'm going with Saunders to work him out and win a clear 9 rounds, which the official judges score slightly closer. Lem has been outboxed by worse technicians than BJS. Those fighters lacked a chin. Saunders has one, and he's as awkward and as crafty as they come.

You certainly nailed that prediction. I think that I may have just seen the guy that stands to be the toughest fight of GGGs career.

PS-that BJS that I just saw does the same exact thing to Canelo.

I agree. That Saunders comfortably outboxes Canelo, and gives GGG fits. I'd still favour Golovkin to win (very slightly). Stylistically, Jacobs is probably the hardest fight for BJS. That's the one I probably wouldn't pick him to win.

There is one problem with this... Canelo actually knows how to box. He is not eating punches for free like Lemieux did.

I would not pick Saunders to win against any of the three mentioned earlier.

Some hilarious predictions in this thread

Heretic wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 16:56

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 01:40

caldo2025 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 01:32

You certainly nailed that prediction. I think that I may have just seen the guy that stands to be the toughest fight of GGGs career.

PS-that BJS that I just saw does the same exact thing to Canelo.

I agree. That Saunders comfortably outboxes Canelo, and gives GGG fits. I'd still favour Golovkin to win (very slightly). Stylistically, Jacobs is probably the hardest fight for BJS. That's the one I probably wouldn't pick him to win.

There is one problem with this... Canelo actually knows how to box. He is not eating punches for free like Lemieux did.

I would not pick Saunders to win against any of the three mentioned earlier.

Canelo didn't know how to box against Lara ...

Heretic wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 16:56

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 01:40

caldo2025 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 01:32

You certainly nailed that prediction. I think that I may have just seen the guy that stands to be the toughest fight of GGGs career.

PS-that BJS that I just saw does the same exact thing to Canelo.

I agree. That Saunders comfortably outboxes Canelo, and gives GGG fits. I'd still favour Golovkin to win (very slightly). Stylistically, Jacobs is probably the hardest fight for BJS. That's the one I probably wouldn't pick him to win.

There is one problem with this... Canelo actually knows how to box. He is not eating punches for free like Lemieux did.

I would not pick Saunders to win against any of the three mentioned earlier.

Canelo has fast hands but terrible footwork. Pure boxers are a nightmare for him, especially when they combine technique with speed.

Lara had Canelo looking silly. The problem? Lara never let his hands go, after he created his openings. It was his fight on a plate. Canelo only won because Lara threw it away.

Amir Khan was winning rounds too, until he got careless and his chin let him down.

Saunders will let his hands go, and he combines Lara's slickness with Khan's speed. Only he's not reckless, and he has a good chin. His conditioning also looks improved, under Dominic Ingle - another advantage he'll have over Canelo.

Saunders is an absolute nightmare for Canelo. He's by far and away his toughest potential fight at 160. Styles matter. Everything Saunders does best, either nullifies Canelo's strengths, or tears apart his weaknesses.

I doubt we'll get to see it though. There's no way Oscar lets it happen now.

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