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Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 17:07
by SenorPipino
Tanzio wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 10:57
DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 10:50
Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 10:06
Are you seriously comparing the above to the other stuff here?
Wow, that's Demented.
Sorry, I'm not that specialized in crap like you seem to be. I've just listed an example, compare it with other sorts of crap yourself.
You got one thing right; your example was crap.
Hard to believe that the good DoctorD seriously equates some of Ali's verbal foibles to the murderers, rapists, and general thugs that populated boxing's landscape since the sport was invented.
He must belong to that now dwindling legion of hardcore Ali detractors, or else he worships at the altar of Joe Frazier.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 17:25
by banjo
While I don't recall him being really bad, Nigel Benn mixed with some seriously nasty people 2 of whom were 2 of 3 drug dealers found shot dead in an Essex wood. Think I remember reading about Benn glassing somebody in a club too but compared to some of the people on here he's a bloody saint.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 18:22
by KiwiRider
Wilder 1 count of domestic violence/strangulation. 1 count of drug possession.
Mayweather Jr 4 counts of domestic violence.
Sugar Ray 2 counts of domestic violence
Adrian Broner- watch this space
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 18:25
by KiwiRider
Manny got into some strife didn't he?
Can anyone recall what that was please?
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 18:26
by Ruthless-RKO
KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 18:22
Wilder 1 count of domestic violence/strangulation. 1 count of drug possession.
Mayweather Jr 4 counts of domestic violence.
Sugar Ray 2 counts of domestic violence
Adrian Broner- watch this space
Possesion of drugs ain't that bad.. but domestic violence is something.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 18:29
by KiwiRider
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 18:26
KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 18:22
Wilder 1 count of domestic violence/strangulation. 1 count of drug possession.
Mayweather Jr 4 counts of domestic violence.
Sugar Ray 2 counts of domestic violence
Adrian Broner- watch this space
Possesion of drugs ain't that bad.. but domestic violence is something.
It instantly makes me want someone to kick
theirarse in the ring, that's for sure.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 06:06
by Ruthless-RKO
KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 18:29
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 18:26
KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 18:22
Wilder 1 count of domestic violence/strangulation. 1 count of drug possession.
Mayweather Jr 4 counts of domestic violence.
Sugar Ray 2 counts of domestic violence
Adrian Broner- watch this space
Possesion of drugs ain't that bad.. but domestic violence is something.
It instantly makes me want someone to kick
theirarse in the ring, that's for sure.
Drugs or violence ?
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 10:42
by Orionx
Jiro Watanabe went from world champion to Yakuza gang member.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 11:19
by Ruthless-RKO
watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 16:49
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 16:30
watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 16:15
Was just reading about a boxer james scott who had many of his bout including beating wbas no. 1 contender while in prison and at least 4 of his fights were televised from prison. Eventually after smaller sentences he got lifed off. Lost to muhamed quawi in one of his prison bouts.
From 78' having not fought in 3 years. Fought the remainder of his fights at Rahway State Prison..
But why was he in Prison?
Looks luke he done afew stints for robbery and got in2 boxing in prison. Got out, back in for robbery and a hung jury on a murder charge. Continued his carrer inside and subsequently retried for the murder and found guilty.
Apparently, Qawi, was released from that very same prison in 1978 .. started boxing. This was his 17th fight. Imagine that going back to the prison you served time for a boxing fight.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 11:21
by Ruthless-RKO
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Qawi was raised on brutally mean streets of Camden, N.J. He was convicted of armed robbery and sentenced to five years in Rahway State Prison.
He learned to box while at Rahway, and upon his release in 1978 at the age of 25, he began training at Joe Frazier's Gym in north Philadelphia and turned professional. He finished his hall-of-fame career with a record of 41-11-1 with 25 KOs.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 12:13
by Taansend
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 11:10
Bernard Hopkins
At the age of 17, he was sentenced to 18 years in Graterford State Penitentiary for nine felonies including armed robbery. He was released after five years in 1988. The story of his final discharge has become legendary in boxing circles.
When the warden told Hopkins that he'd see him again, Hopkins replied,
"I ain't ever coming back here."
I thought it was strong armed robbery rather than armed robbery
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 12:14
by Nightmare Roy
BHop was a BMF when he was younger but he's a real example of how you can turn your life around
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 12:22
by Taansend
James Page, welterweight champion, recently went to jail for a string armed robberies.
Charlie "the Devil" Green murdered three people. There's also a funny story about him going to watch a boxing match and being pulled from the crowd appear on the bill.
And I might be mistaken but I think Ruben Hurricane Carter was a bit of lad before he got stitched up.
Bruce Seldon did time for something before becoming a champion.
And Frank Bruno was in a home for naughty boys
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 13:28
by keithmoonhangover
Innocent until proven guilty?
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 13:37
by Ruthless-RKO
Yup, that completely fine by me. It's what got me thinking about this thread.. Which I must admit, I've seen some comments.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 13:42
by keithmoonhangover
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2017, 13:37
Yup, that completely fine by me. It's what got me thinking about this thread.. Which I must admit, I've seen some comments.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 29 Dec 2017, 04:02
by Kalan
A guy everyone thought was really bad was Tony Ayala Jr....
He was one of the most talented boxers EVER and a really nice, fun kid when he was in a good mood... But for some stupid reason nobody could ever figure out, he had to be a bad ass... He would punch somebody if they looked at him wrong... Instead of shining mouthy people on - you meet big mouths all the time - he'd hit them... He was told a number of times to let people be and ignore them... He couldn't do that.
He seemed to have very little common sense when it came to women... If they turned him down they were a whore, bitch, dyke, tramp....he took it personally... He had about 20 straight professional wins when he was still a teenager... The man would have made millions and millions had he kept his nose clean... He was money in the bank.
He broke into a women's apartment, tied her up an raped her... He did a very long stretch in prison... When he came out 17 years later he resumed his boxing career and started winning again in his late 30's... But he lost a couple to better fighters because that's too big a gap in experience to close... He broke into an apartment of 2 women and one shot him before he could commit rape or anything... He did very little time for that because it was just breaking and entry.. He got 10 years probation --which he violated by speeding, driving without a license and using heroin and got sent to prison again... He died at 52 of a drug overdose... What a waste of talent.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 29 Dec 2017, 06:45
by Tomasino
Kalan wrote: ↑29 Dec 2017, 04:02
A guy everyone thought was really bad was Tony Ayala Jr....
He was one of the most talented boxers EVER and a really nice, fun kid when he was in a good mood... But for some stupid reason nobody could ever figure out, he had to be a bad ass... He would punch somebody if they looked at him wrong... Instead of shining mouthy people on - you meet big mouths all the time - he'd hit them... He was told a number of times to let people be and ignore them... He couldn't do that.
He seemed to have very little common sense when it came to women... If they turned him down they were a whore, bitch, dyke, tramp....he took it personally... He had about 20 straight professional wins when he was still a teenager... The man would have made millions and millions had he kept his nose clean... He was money in the bank.
He broke into a women's apartment, tied her up an raped her... He did a very long stretch in prison... When he came out 17 years later he resumed his boxing career and started winning again in his late 30's... But he lost a couple to better fighters because that's too big a gap in experience to close... He broke into an apartment of 2 women and one shot him before he could commit rape or anything... He did very little time for that because it was just breaking and entry.. He got 10 years probation --which he violated by speeding, driving without a license and using heroin and got sent to prison again... He died at 52 of a drug overdose... What a waste of talent.
He was very very overrated. The only waste was the lives he ruined. Guy was a grade A shitbag.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 29 Dec 2017, 07:14
by Lenny Cravats
John Paul King, Sheffield heavyweight convicted of three rapes.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 29 Dec 2017, 07:36
by tigermoth87
Not as bad as some but Anthony Small, Al Qaeda supporter warrants a mention.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 29 Dec 2017, 08:18
by bennie
Jack Blackburn was a serious wrong 'un. He shot and killed an eight-year-old girl.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 29 Dec 2017, 10:04
by Tony1244
Kalan wrote: ↑29 Dec 2017, 04:02
A guy everyone thought was really bad was Tony Ayala Jr....
He was one of the most talented boxers EVER and a really nice, fun kid when he was in a good mood... But for some stupid reason nobody could ever figure out, he had to be a bad ass... He would punch somebody if they looked at him wrong... Instead of shining mouthy people on - you meet big mouths all the time - he'd hit them... He was told a number of times to let people be and ignore them... He couldn't do that.
He seemed to have very little common sense when it came to women... If they turned him down they were a whore, bitch, dyke, tramp....he took it personally... He had about 20 straight professional wins when he was still a teenager... The man would have made millions and millions had he kept his nose clean... He was money in the bank.
He broke into a women's apartment, tied her up an raped her... He did a very long stretch in prison... When he came out 17 years later he resumed his boxing career and started winning again in his late 30's... But he lost a couple to better fighters because that's too big a gap in experience to close... He broke into an apartment of 2 women and one shot him before he could commit rape or anything... He did very little time for that because it was just breaking and entry.. He got 10 years probation --which he violated by speeding, driving without a license and using heroin and got sent to prison again... He died at 52 of a drug overdose... What a waste of talent.
Very good synopsis.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 31 Dec 2017, 10:57
by jewboypgh
Capt Bob Roper used to bring a snake into the rig with him at the beginning of fignts. He's the SOB who gouged out Greb's left eye
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 31 Dec 2017, 15:35
by Syntax Error
Shirow wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 10:58
James Butler deserves a mention. He's the one famous for breaking his opponents jaw with a sucker punch after the fight had finished and gloves had been removed at a September 11 Fireman & policemen charity boxing event.
Butler was being helped out by Max Kellerman's brother Sam and staying in his apartment. Butler murdered him with a hammer then set the apartment on fire and stole Sam's car.
In a nutshell.
It's hard to think of many fighters worse than this guy.
Re: Most "bad people" boxing has seen?
Posted: 31 Dec 2017, 15:49
by Ilya Muromets
The worst of the worst was Ruben "Hurricane" Carter. What brought that monster to mind is some fool here using some leftist Hollywood bs to try to glorify it.
Carter was a vicious multiple murderer that the leftist Hollywood crowd tries to glorify with their lies. Look up the truth about Carter - but don't try to find anything on google anymore because it is now censored and politically corrected.
http://graphicwitness.com/carter/
You can also see, and adjudicate, for yourself his fight with Joey Giardello online, the fight that Norman Jewison "re-enacted" in his 1999 Hollywood propaganda movie glorifying Carter as having been easily won by Carter but awarded to JG only because the judges were "racist".