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curtis wood wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 13:37 You don't need to pay your trainer or manager but all your expenses are not refunded or anything like that, it's just bad luck. You could be say 10 weeks in and paid for transport to and from the gym, sparring partners, strength and conditioning coach, dietitian, tape, gym fees, all sorts of stuff with nothing at the end of it. That happens a couple of times in a row which happens and you can be in serious financial trouble. What normally happens is good fighters take away jobs underprepared to pay the bills then next thing you get labelled a bum, I've sparred some top talents that can't sell a ticket so can't fight as nobody will put them in the home corner and they are too good to go in the away corner. It's a messed up game

nobleart1978 wrote: ↑07 Feb 2018, 10:15 The Managers 25% comes of the gross figure then do you take the trainers 10% off what is left.

Or is the trainers 10% took off the gross ?

How does the split work ?

Coco wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 11:52 Plenty of manager take their cut off the top end.
I remember a story about Jess Harding and Spencer Oliver, that Harding said because Spencer sold so many tickets that he never took his managers cut off him.

spudder56 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 12:03

Coco wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 11:52 Plenty of manager take their cut off the top end.
I remember a story about Jess Harding and Spencer Oliver, that Harding said because Spencer sold so many tickets that he never took his managers cut off him.

Well if that’s the case the boxer should put a complaint in to his area secretary

Coco wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 11:52 Plenty of manager take their cut off the top end.
I remember a story about Jess Harding and Spencer Oliver, that Harding said because Spencer sold so many tickets that he never took his managers cut off him.

rubberneck wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 12:58It’s quite surprising how little money there is in boxing overall. A world title is not a guarantee for a massive payday.

spudder56 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 12:07

spudder56 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 12:03

Coco wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 11:52 Plenty of manager take their cut off the top end.
I remember a story about Jess Harding and Spencer Oliver, that Harding said because Spencer sold so many tickets that he never took his managers cut off him.

Well if that’s the case the boxer should put a complaint in to his area secretary

The managers and trainers fee entitlements etc are fully explained to all boxers at their initial interview with their area council this is definitely the case in the midlands area and indeed should be in all areas

curtis wood wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 12:29 My title fights

Dave Ryan home corner (English Title vacant) 5k

Shayne Singleton away in Manchester (English Title defence) 5k

Derry Matthews away corner (commonwealth title challenger) 8k

Darren Hamilton away corner (British Title challenge) 10k

Willie Limond in Scotland (British Title defence 30k

Frankie Gavin away corner (WBO intercontinental title) 14k

Take away 25% for managers and training fees plus a 12 week training camp and it equates to absolute peanuts, the only fight worth a carrot financially for me was the Limond one hence the reason why I took it. That's why it makes me chuckle when idiots say I'm coming back for a pay day! What payday! Regular fighters on sky sports will get paid more but a normal domestic grinder like me and they will all get in and around the same as the figures I've quoted. Hope this helps, and for the record I'm one of the lucky ones, I got paid more than most fighters I know, the problem is if you turn the fight down due to the purse been rubbish they just pick up the phone to the next fighter and keep going till somebody takes it. It's a tough old game to make a few quid

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 11:42

spudder56 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 12:07

spudder56 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 12:03

Well if that’s the case the boxer should put a complaint in to his area secretary

The managers and trainers fee entitlements etc are fully explained to all boxers at their initial interview with their area council this is definitely the case in the midlands area and indeed should be in all areas

Interview ? I had no kind of interveiw just medicals.

dave_smith wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 11:37 Didn’t Danny Williams get a pittance for fighting Tyson? Remember FW feeling bad that he didn’t take us cut.

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 11:42

spudder56 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 12:07

spudder56 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 12:03

Well if that’s the case the boxer should put a complaint in to his area secretary

The managers and trainers fee entitlements etc are fully explained to all boxers at their initial interview with their area council this is definitely the case in the midlands area and indeed should be in all areas

Interview ? I had no kind of interveiw just medicals.

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 15:20 Unless I’ve forgotten but I really can’t remember any kind of interview with anyone just me medical, scans and blood test.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 15:25

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 15:20 Unless I’ve forgotten but I really can’t remember any kind of interview with anyone just me medical, scans and blood test.

I believe you. Stuff slips through the cracks in all of the time. It's not hard to believe

forcefraser wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:27 Surely there is a cap on what the trainer gets?

For example if Callum Smith got the reported 5 million for the groves fight does that mean Tesco Joe pocketed 1.25 mill?

What about Rob McKracken and AJ? He must be a multi millionaire Many times over?

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:37

forcefraser wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:27 Surely there is a cap on what the trainer gets?

For example if Callum Smith got the reported 5 million for the groves fight does that mean Tesco Joe pocketed 1.25 mill?

What about Rob McKracken and AJ? He must be a multi millionaire Many times over?

Boxers earning big money (very rare) generally negotiate a fixed fee or sometimes smaller percentage.

dave_smith wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 18:41

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:37

forcefraser wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:27 Surely there is a cap on what the trainer gets?

For example if Callum Smith got the reported 5 million for the groves fight does that mean Tesco Joe pocketed 1.25 mill?

What about Rob McKracken and AJ? He must be a multi millionaire Many times over?

Boxers earning big money (very rare) generally negotiate a fixed fee or sometimes smaller percentage.

Didn’t Brendan Ingle say something along those lines? When boxers are up and comers a percentage they’re happy with but when they start making some dough they want a fix fee. Wasn’t it Naz when he got his first big purse and Brendan was spending his cut on revamping / extending the gym and Naz came in saying that’s a big % you’re on and I think it’s too much and have him a fraction and that’s when Brendan knew his days were numbered?

dave_smith wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 18:41

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:37

forcefraser wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:27 Surely there is a cap on what the trainer gets?

For example if Callum Smith got the reported 5 million for the groves fight does that mean Tesco Joe pocketed 1.25 mill?

What about Rob McKracken and AJ? He must be a multi millionaire Many times over?

Boxers earning big money (very rare) generally negotiate a fixed fee or sometimes smaller percentage.

Didn’t Brendan Ingle say something along those lines? When boxers are up and comers a percentage they’re happy with but when they start making some dough they want a fix fee. Wasn’t it Naz when he got his first big purse and Brendan was spending his cut on revamping / extending the gym and Naz came in saying that’s a big % you’re on and I think it’s too much and have him a fraction and that’s when Brendan knew his days were numbered?

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 19:31

dave_smith wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 18:41

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:37

Boxers earning big money (very rare) generally negotiate a fixed fee or sometimes smaller percentage.

Didn’t Brendan Ingle say something along those lines? When boxers are up and comers a percentage they’re happy with but when they start making some dough they want a fix fee. Wasn’t it Naz when he got his first big purse and Brendan was spending his cut on revamping / extending the gym and Naz came in saying that’s a big % you’re on and I think it’s too much and have him a fraction and that’s when Brendan knew his days were numbered?

I think it’s pretty reasonable that a trainer’s cut goes down to a much smaller percentage / fixed fee should a boxer become properly successful. Imagine Floyd paying out £20 million or something to uncle Roger ever time he fought

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:15

tiny_acres wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 15:25

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 15:20 Unless I’ve forgotten but I really can’t remember any kind of interview with anyone just me medical, scans and blood test.

I believe you. Stuff slips through the cracks in all of the time. It's not hard to believe

Cheers, the only explanation of the contract was by my soon to be manager ! I had a few cracks at the ABAs and made the quarters one year so had a track record to back me up but other than that I don’t know why .....just remembered my manager held a position with the area council wonder if I got out of it that way ?

dave_smith wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 18:41

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:37

forcefraser wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:27 Surely there is a cap on what the trainer gets?

For example if Callum Smith got the reported 5 million for the groves fight does that mean Tesco Joe pocketed 1.25 mill?

What about Rob McKracken and AJ? He must be a multi millionaire Many times over?

Boxers earning big money (very rare) generally negotiate a fixed fee or sometimes smaller percentage.

Didn’t Brendan Ingle say something along those lines? When boxers are up and comers a percentage they’re happy with but when they start making some dough they want a fix fee. Wasn’t it Naz when he got his first big purse and Brendan was spending his cut on revamping / extending the gym and Naz came in saying that’s a big % you’re on and I think it’s too much and have him a fraction and that’s when Brendan knew his days were numbered?

spudder56 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 01:39

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 16:15

tiny_acres wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 15:25

I believe you. Stuff slips through the cracks in all of the time. It's not hard to believe

Cheers, the only explanation of the contract was by my soon to be manager ! I had a few cracks at the ABAs and made the quarters one year so had a track record to back me up but other than that I don’t know why .....just remembered my manager held a position with the area council wonder if I got out of it that way ?

Oh ok that was a few years back in the days of financial councils which don’t exist anymore mate