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candyslim wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 05:33

jewboypgh wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 17:46 I like this Fury. He schooled Klitchko.
He knows his way around the ring.
I think he smacks Joshua and Wilder all over the place

I don't know about that but you can certainly imagine that scenario if Tyson was in the shape he was when he beat Klitschko, and there aren't too many people you could say that about. That's what makes him so interesting.

Wlad looked awful that night but that wasn't a coincidence. It was a perfect storm. Wlad, unbeaten in so long, was probably a little jaded and complacent, certainly not in the mental and physical shape he was for Joshua. Then by his own admission Wlad is not a natural boxer, he is largely manufactured. He was taught how to make the most of his height, reach and mobility, using his excellent jab, punching power, and swaying back out of range of shorter men when defending.

These advantages were totally ineffectual against a man 3" taller, with longer reach, and even more mobility, allied to natural awkwardness and unpredictability. Klitschko didn't know to cope wth him, couldn't set himself to throw punches against such an elusive target, and frequently got punished when he did. That's why Wlad threw so few punches and looked so demoralized. I think Klitschko on his best night beats Joshua (as of now), totally picks apart and destroys Wilder, but he'd always have trouble with (that) Fury.

Many people regard him as an arsehole and an embarrassment and I totally get that, but a Fury at the top of his game is a force to be reckoned with, and my favourite division can use more like that not fewer. Getting back to what he was is a very big ask, but he could hardly have made a better start so I remain hopeful.

Last thing - Valmar. I think your percentages are exactly how I see, it based on Tyson F at his best.

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 12:24 Thanks Valmar. Kind of you to say so.

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 12:24 Thanks Valmar. Kind of you to say so.

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Feb 2018, 05:23 I had to google it but there was $6 -8m and £4m reported. He reportedly walked away from £10m for the rematch and his net worth in the region of $20m

I don't doubt he is serious about coming back and I don't think it's just about the money. A fit fury was well capable of beating Klitscho again and he'd have earned £10m just for showing up for round one, so I don't ever doubt the veracity of his depression.

I'm not clear what you were getting at.

candyslim wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 16:07 Question my sanity if you like but I reckon a 300 pound out of shape Fury would still beat most of the guys outside the top ten and maybe one or two inside.

Some guys are just naturally athletic however much blubber they're carrying. Jarrell Miller looks like he could handily drop 30lbs maybe more, but I don't think his stamina is lacking and neither is his movement.

Badhusker wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 21:29

candyslim wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 16:07 Question my sanity if you like but I reckon a 300 pound out of shape Fury would still beat most of the guys outside the top ten and maybe one or two inside.

Some guys are just naturally athletic however much blubber they're carrying. Jarrell Miller looks like he could handily drop 30lbs maybe more, but I don't think his stamina is lacking and neither is his movement.

Remember that the weight is only part of his problem.

Wales wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 22:50 How many fighters come back as good or better after a 3 year break. To beat the ever improving AJ I think Fury would need to be as good as ever if not better:

SenorPipino wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 00:16 I've seen Fury listed as anywhere between 6'7" and 6'9".

Fury himself claims that he's 6'9". Judging by those photos of him going jaw to jaw with Wilder, it's obvious that he's fibbing.

Even if shoe height plays a role in those photos, I'd agree that Fury is no more than a shade taller than 6'7" Wilder.