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Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 18:14
by oogiebe
"Eddie Hearn" Noun; proper noun. Meaning: To screw and lie and cheat and be slimy.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 18:16
by Rob3_142
liamlion wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 15:53
It would make absolutely no sense if you were trying to protect a fighter towards a bumper payday or a shot at a second rate "world' title and had zero faith in your fighter... alternatively, it makes very real and obvious sense to any right thinking person in terms of development etc.
How you can possibly claim to be European or world level when you haven't even cleaned out your domestic rivals and proved yourself to be the best domestically? You simply can't.
It's a pretty shitty move to try and manoeuvre yourself up the ladder without challenging for British and commonwealth titles. Let's get it right, who has Yarde really fought of interest or note? We all know the answer. Sad really, as he could well be something special.
It's clear that Yarde's team are trying to get Yarde to a world title shot without having to fight anyone significant. It can/will happen, as we have seen many times before.
I personally think it is the wrong approach, and he should be going through the levels, which will give him much better chance at winning a world title shot when he gets there. The problem is, if you lose to a higher level opponent on the way up, you lose a lot of your marketability. Then again, maybe Yarde's team think he's already good enough to beat the top guys?
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 18:34
by Nightmare Roy
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:12
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 17:29
No one gives a fcuk what this guy has to say, why do you have to repost every fcuking tweet he sends out.
No one gives a fcuk what you have to say either.
I for one appreciate the information.
Trot on son.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 18:36
by wesshaw1985
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:12
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 17:29
No one gives a fcuk what this guy has to say, why do you have to repost every fcuking tweet he sends out.
No one gives a fcuk what you have to say either.
I for one appreciate the information.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 19:19
by oogiebe
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 17:29
No one gives a fcuk what this guy has to say, why do you have to repost every fcuking tweet he sends out.
If you don't care, don't speak for anyone else and simply leave.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 19:27
by TheLeprechaun
It's pretty funny how Yarde went quiet after Johnson Buglioni.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 02:39
by wesshaw1985
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 19:19
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 17:29
No one gives a fcuk what this guy has to say, why do you have to repost every fcuking tweet he sends out.
If you don't care, don't speak for anyone else and simply leave.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 06:01
by keithmoonhangover
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:14
"Eddie Hearn" Noun; proper noun. Meaning: To screw and lie and cheat and be slimy.
Why all the hate? Hearn pays his fighters and for the best part, promotes them very well.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 06:32
by mickey1975
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 06:01
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:14
"Eddie Hearn" Noun; proper noun. Meaning: To screw and lie and cheat and be slimy.
Why all the hate? Hearn pays his fighters and for the best part, promotes them very well.
I think £9,000 for Dave Allen to box Ortiz is shocking money.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 09:09
by oogiebe
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 06:01
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:14
"Eddie Hearn" Noun; proper noun. Meaning: To screw and lie and cheat and be slimy.
Why all the hate? Hearn pays his fighters and for the best part, promotes them very well.
Yes he does. He just talks too much, but that goes along with good promotion. I just don't like him that's all.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 12:10
by Nightmare Roy
mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 06:32
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 06:01
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:14
"Eddie Hearn" Noun; proper noun. Meaning: To screw and lie and cheat and be slimy.
Why all the hate? Hearn pays his fighters and for the best part, promotes them very well.
I think £9,000 for Dave Allen to box Ortiz is shocking money.
That's all he got?!?! That is bobbins!
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 12:36
by maverick23
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:10
mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 06:32
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 06:01
Why all the hate? Hearn pays his fighters and for the best part, promotes them very well.
I think £9,000 for Dave Allen to box Ortiz is shocking money.
That's all he got?!?! That is bobbins!
Allen didn’t have to accept did he?!
All of the fighters I know that have worked with Matchroom over the years have been paid in full and on-time. With the exception of where Matchroom do PPV splits with fighters, FW tends to pay more for fights but it’s been well documented that in recent years they’ve had some examples where they haven’t paid on time. They’ve also gone out of business owing money to fighters.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 12:49
by Oiky
9k ain't too good no but like mentioned Allen never had to accept it did he
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 14:46
by Nightmare Roy
maverick23 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:36
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:10
mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 06:32
I think £9,000 for Dave Allen to box Ortiz is shocking money.
That's all he got?!?! That is bobbins!
Allen didn’t have to accept did he?!
All of the fighters I know that have worked with Matchroom over the years have been paid in full and on-time. With the exception of where Matchroom do PPV splits with fighters, FW tends to pay more for fights but it’s been well documented that in recent years they’ve had some examples where they haven’t paid on time. They’ve also gone out of business owing money to fighters.
People who work for Amazon, helping make the owner the richest man in the world whilst they have to piss in plastic bottles to meet targets whilst earning minimum wage don't have to do it do they? Oh yes they do they have bills to pay. £9k for fighting a top five HW is dog shit.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 15:29
by Rob3_142
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 14:46
maverick23 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:36
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:10
That's all he got?!?! That is bobbins!
Allen didn’t have to accept did he?!
All of the fighters I know that have worked with Matchroom over the years have been paid in full and on-time. With the exception of where Matchroom do PPV splits with fighters, FW tends to pay more for fights but it’s been well documented that in recent years they’ve had some examples where they haven’t paid on time. They’ve also gone out of business owing money to fighters.
People who work for Amazon, helping make the owner the richest man in the world whilst they have to piss in plastic bottles to meet targets whilst earning minimum wage don't have to do it do they? Oh yes they do they have bills to pay. £9k for fighting a top five HW is dog poo.
I think you also have to appreciate that Hearn got Allen two shots at the Commonwealth title, despite him being well below the levels. In addition, the fight against Ortiz was not only a fight where he'll take a cheque home, but also give him excellent exposure, which greatly increases his earning potential later on.
Can't imagine Price took much home against Povetkin.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 15:43
by maverick23
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 14:46
maverick23 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:36
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:10
That's all he got?!?! That is bobbins!
Allen didn’t have to accept did he?!
All of the fighters I know that have worked with Matchroom over the years have been paid in full and on-time. With the exception of where Matchroom do PPV splits with fighters, FW tends to pay more for fights but it’s been well documented that in recent years they’ve had some examples where they haven’t paid on time. They’ve also gone out of business owing money to fighters.
People who work for Amazon, helping make the owner the richest man in the world whilst they have to piss in plastic bottles to meet targets whilst earning minimum wage don't have to do it do they? Oh yes they do they have bills to pay. £9k for fighting a top five HW is dog poo.
If they need to provide for their family then yes - they may have to do it.
I don’t disagree that £9k for fighting Ortiz is poor money but I still maintain that it was Allen’s decision and of course he didn’t have to accept. I certainly wouldn’t hold it against Hearn, or another promoter, for a fighter accepting a low offer. It does show he needs/needed better management.
Allen wasn’t contracted into accepting it, he was paid what was agreed in full (I’m assuming) and clearly doesn’t seem to hold a grudge for Hearn for the offer.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 15:47
by Nightmare Roy
maverick23 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 15:43
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 14:46
maverick23 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:36
Allen didn’t have to accept did he?!
All of the fighters I know that have worked with Matchroom over the years have been paid in full and on-time. With the exception of where Matchroom do PPV splits with fighters, FW tends to pay more for fights but it’s been well documented that in recent years they’ve had some examples where they haven’t paid on time. They’ve also gone out of business owing money to fighters.
People who work for Amazon, helping make the owner the richest man in the world whilst they have to piss in plastic bottles to meet targets whilst earning minimum wage don't have to do it do they? Oh yes they do they have bills to pay. £9k for fighting a top five HW is dog poo.
If they need to provide for their family then yes - they may have to do it.
I don’t disagree that £9k for fighting Ortiz is poor money but I still maintain that it was Allen’s decision and of course he didn’t have to accept. I certainly wouldn’t hold it against Hearn, or another promoter, for a fighter accepting a low offer. It does show he needs/needed better management.
Allen wasn’t contracted into accepting it, he was paid what was agreed in full (I’m assuming) and clearly doesn’t seem to hold a grudge for Hearn for the offer.
I'm not having a pop at Hern it's just seems like a small purse for fighting such a beast
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 17:28
by mickey1975
My pal CLEARED 10k for cashfighter and never broke sweat. 5-6 for Ortiz is almost criminal!
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 19:02
by Nightmare Roy
mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 17:28
My pal CLEARED 10k for cashfighter and never broke sweat. 5-6 for Ortiz is almost criminal!
Does seem low, isn't Allen a big ticket seller too?
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 07:50
by maverick23
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 19:02
mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 17:28
My pal CLEARED 10k for cashfighter and never broke sweat. 5-6 for Ortiz is almost criminal!
Does seem low, isn't Allen a big ticket seller too?
He’s a good ticket seller now (I think his sister has really helped him out with it) but he wasn’t then.
I think we’re all in agreement that the money was crap but I’d say the fault with it lies with Allen’s manager (if he was one) and himself for accepting it.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 07:56
by wesshaw1985
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 19:02
mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 17:28
My pal CLEARED 10k for cashfighter and never broke sweat. 5-6 for Ortiz is almost criminal!
Does seem low, isn't Allen a big ticket seller too?
His personal ticket sales will be a back hander to top up his announced purse...
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 08:15
by JimJim2009
Don't think he sells many in monte carlo
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 09:21
by maverick23
JimJim2009 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 08:15
Don't think he sells many in monte carlo
I don’t think he fought in Monte Carlo! Ortiz fought Malik Scott over there. His fight against Allen was well down an AJ card.
Re: Anthony Yarde vs. Callum Johnson
Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 08:53
by keithmoonhangover
mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 06:32
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 06:01
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:14
"Eddie Hearn" Noun; proper noun. Meaning: To screw and lie and cheat and be slimy.
Why all the hate? Hearn pays his fighters and for the best part, promotes them very well.
I think £9,000 for Dave Allen to box Ortiz is shocking money.
Someone offers you an amount of money to do a job and you say yes or no. Dave Allen wanted the fight and when he was offered it, took it. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.