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jezzamundo wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 00:01

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:22 Parker didn't win and didn't even put enough effort for that. It looked like he came to collect a check and not get KO'ed.

Keep in mind that Parker threw over 100 more punches than Joshua and according to compubox, landed slightly more power punches. The real person to blame is the terrible referee who wouldn't let them fight on the inside, as well as the corrupt judges who gave every close round to Joshua, as well as some that should have been scored to Parker too.

All that said, crap ref aside, Joshua did enough to win, just not by the margins the judges had it.

bmilligan wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 01:02 As Paulie was saying on commentary, the rounds were close, and considering hometown money etc. The close rounds were given in favor of AJ.

Given both are champs, I would have been satisfied with a draw. or at least a split decision. But Parker did not win. I would say he did enough to defend the belt arguably.

Povetkin looked decent I agree, but how much does he have left in the tank for a young Top 10 heavyweight?

x2x wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 17:24

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 16:03 The fact is, on the few occasions they were allowed to fight on the inside, Joshua started uncorking the uppercut and left hook.

If you want to convince yourself Parker would have won if he'd been allowed to fight on the inside, fine, but there's no evidence to support the idea. Joshua isn't afraid of inside fighting.

The ref definitely spoilt the fight, and was utterly clueless, allowing Joshua to box with the tape flapping around from his glove, which is an obvious hazard to the other fighter.

Why they appointed this buffoon is a mystery.

No more a mystery than why they appointed Joe Cortez to ref the Mayweather-Hatton fight in honest Las Vegas. Both did what they were told to do by their bosses. I think both could have used some acting lessons so they could have been a bit more subtle, but, like i said before, they just don't care anymore. At least this italian ref didn't get his photo taken hugging and smiling broadly with Joshua after the fight, like Cortez did with Mayweather after that similar bit of work.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 04:28

jezzamundo wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 00:01

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:22 Parker didn't win and didn't even put enough effort for that. It looked like he came to collect a check and not get KO'ed.

Keep in mind that Parker threw over 100 more punches than Joshua and according to compubox, landed slightly more power punches. The real person to blame is the terrible referee who wouldn't let them fight on the inside, as well as the corrupt judges who gave every close round to Joshua, as well as some that should have been scored to Parker too.

All that said, crap ref aside, Joshua did enough to win, just not by the margins the judges had it.

Have you got a link to the compubox stats?

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 07:05 I'm not sure. Parker threw a lot of punches, but was very inaccurate. Joshua landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.

I think both boxers lacked a plan B, which meant the frustration carried for the duration of the fight.

jezzamundo wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 08:43

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 07:05 I'm not sure. Parker threw a lot of punches, but was very inaccurate. Joshua landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.

I think both boxers lacked a plan B, which meant the frustration carried for the duration of the fight.

Parker landed more power punches in 7 out of the 12 rounds too and threw over 100 more punches. Don't get me wrong - Joshua deserved the W, but the scorecards were too wide.

greg wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 06:10 ..the stats look a lot closer than I thought..

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:19

jezzamundo wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 08:43

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 07:05 I'm not sure. Parker threw a lot of punches, but was very inaccurate. Joshua landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.

I think both boxers lacked a plan B, which meant the frustration carried for the duration of the fight.

Parker landed more power punches in 7 out of the 12 rounds too and threw over 100 more punches. Don't get me wrong - Joshua deserved the W, but the scorecards were too wide.

It's completely irrelevant how many punches he threw, 85% of his jabs missed. Jabs are scoring shots, so when you land 40 more than your opposition, you're going to be difficult to beat on the cards.

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:26

greg wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 06:10 ..the stats look a lot closer than I thought..

there generous to parker imo

and remember there not undeniable 'fact', there just the opinions of guys watching, compubox saying x landed doesnt mean it must be true

jezzamundo wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:29

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:19

jezzamundo wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 08:43

Parker landed more power punches in 7 out of the 12 rounds too and threw over 100 more punches. Don't get me wrong - Joshua deserved the W, but the scorecards were too wide.

It's completely irrelevant how many punches he threw, 85% of his jabs missed. Jabs are scoring shots, so when you land 40 more than your opposition, you're going to be difficult to beat on the cards.

Not saying it's right, but in the case of close rounds, some judges will go for the fighter who is 'busier', which is why I mention Parker throwing more.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:52

jezzamundo wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:29

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:19

It's completely irrelevant how many punches he threw, 85% of his jabs missed. Jabs are scoring shots, so when you land 40 more than your opposition, you're going to be difficult to beat on the cards.

Not saying it's right, but in the case of close rounds, some judges will go for the fighter who is 'busier', which is why I mention Parker throwing more.

Well once again, power punches does not indicate how busy a puncher is, total punches does.

x2x wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 10:24 Excerpt from post above:

"Parker’s trainer Kevin Barry stated, “Obviously when one guy’s got a 76-inch reach and the other guy’s got 84-85, it’s very important to us when we do close the distance that we’re able to work. Unfortunately for us the referee just didn’t allow us to do that."

Sure, "Parker and Povetkin won last night" is hyperbole, but the fight was fixed, the ref was bought, and the judges too. That's the way big boxing matches go these days. "Sports entertainment", like wrasslin.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 11:36 The Parker camp have been classy throughout the build up and aftermath. I like the way they go about business.

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 11:24 The referee was bloody awful no doubt about it, but I don't believe for one moment there was any kind of organized conspiracy to nullify the ability of Parker to work inside.

Theoretically, being prevented from working inside hurt Parker more than Joshua, given that working from distance has to favour the boxer with height and reach. In practice I'm not convinced because Joshua's size and strength may well have allowed him to dominate at close quarters and meant Parker was under more sustained pressure. I say "may".

I think the scorecards were fair. A wide margin doesn't mean the fight can't be close. If one fighter just shades every round in a highly competitive contest you're going to get scores of 120 - 108 or 100 - 90. I gave Parker about three rounds. The fight was close only because Joshua was doing what he needed to do, and no more. He wasn't taking any chances. In my opinion he gave Parker too much respect. I do firmly believe Joshua had plenty in reserve and if Parker had been more committed, more aggressive, then Joshua would have had to move up a gear, but the result would have been the same - a clear but close decision where most rounds were taken by Joshua doing just enough to win most of them.

Fair play to team Parker. They were well aware of the reality which I've just outlined, and were very gracious and classy in defeat. We have not seen the last of Joe Parker.

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 11:39

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 11:36 The Parker camp have been classy throughout the build up and aftermath. I like the way they go about business.

Great post. I like positive posts such as this. Plus, it's a great callout of what is right with boxing. Class...

x2x wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 11:41

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 11:24 The referee was bloody awful no doubt about it, but I don't believe for one moment there was any kind of organized conspiracy to nullify the ability of Parker to work inside.

Theoretically, being prevented from working inside hurt Parker more than Joshua, given that working from distance has to favour the boxer with height and reach. In practice I'm not convinced because Joshua's size and strength may well have allowed him to dominate at close quarters and meant Parker was under more sustained pressure. I say "may".

I think the scorecards were fair. A wide margin doesn't mean the fight can't be close. If one fighter just shades every round in a highly competitive contest you're going to get scores of 120 - 108 or 100 - 90. I gave Parker about three rounds. The fight was close only because Joshua was doing what he needed to do, and no more. He wasn't taking any chances. In my opinion he gave Parker too much respect. I do firmly believe Joshua had plenty in reserve and if Parker had been more committed, more aggressive, then Joshua would have had to move up a gear, but the result would have been the same - a clear but close decision where most rounds were taken by Joshua doing just enough to win most of them.

Fair play to team Parker. They were well aware of the reality which I've just outlined, and were very gracious and classy in defeat. We have not seen the last of Joe Parker.

You're one of the very good posters on here, Candy, but I pretty much disagree with everything you said in this one. Do you think it was just a coincidence that the ref dived in everytime they get close when the unfavored fighter absolutely needed to fight in close because his arms are shorter?