ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight

[Enlightened-One]

One huge mistake you gave Eric Molina listed as a mandatory defense for Joshua.
Molina was ranked 15th December 2016 when the fought. That's 15th by the ibf.

My post that you’ve quoted contains more than 30 facts and you’re attempting to use minutiae to undermine my entire argument, by overrating the importance of a single minor trivial point, as a weak ploy to pretend that everything else that I’ve written is false and should therefore be ignored.

After last weekend’s irrational rant, when you openly admitted to being deeply offended about my ability to quote the existence of a WBC rule that you claimed didn’t exist, is that how it’s going to be from now on?

Are you going to do your upmost to look for small errors, typos and grammar issues, as an opportunity to boast about my lack of knowledge?

You’re absolutely correct, Eric Molina wasn’t the IBF’s mandatory when he fought AJ, but he was the 7th highest ranked challenger (not 15th, as you claim) by that governing body. So should I behave as equally juvenile as your good self and pretend that you’ve also made a “huge mistake”?

Also by your own research at the time of their fights. Joshua only had 2 ring magazine rated fights.
Wilder had 3

Please explain this statement? Do you find it challenging to count to three or have you badly articulated your thoughts?

If Wilder and Joshua fought tomorrow, both the Brit (Martin, Klitschko & Parker) and the American (Stiverne twice & Ortiz) would have engaged in three fights against top-ten RING–rated opponents (at the time of their bouts).

Also, Joseph Parker, Dillian Whyte and Dominic Brazeale are currently rated in The RING’s top-ten heavyweight fighters, with all three of them having previously suffered defeat to AJ.

The only fighter that Deontay Wilder has defeated in the current top-ten RING-rated heavyweights list is Luis Ortiz.

The reason why I compared Wilder’s and AJ’s last eight opponents was to prove that the Brit has mixed with better quality opposition, the fact that both men faced three top-ten RING-rated fighters (at the time of their bouts) doesn’t affect my claim, since a couple of Joshua’s victims were on the ascendancy. So you’ve missed the point, haven’t you?

I assume you agree with the entire content of the remainder of my post though? If not, then please explain the reason why you disagree with the following claims?

People keep arguing that AJ is somehow obliged to meet Deontay Wilder’s purse demands and are accusing him of “ducking” the American, despite ‘The Bronze Bomber’ having never attempted to make the bout.

If you take one look at The RING’s ratings at the time AJ & Wilder competed in their last eight bouts, it actually seems kind of bizarre for anyone to support Deontay’s position in relation to this matter…

Deontay Wilder:

• Bermane Stiverne (3rd)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Johann Duhaupas (unranked & tasted defeat two fights prior)
• Artur Szpilka (unranked)
• Chris Arreola (unranked & only won two of his previous six outings)
• Gerald Washington (unranked)
• Bermane Stiverne (7th & had struggled to defeat a journeyman in his only outing since his first defeat to Wilder)
• Luis Ortiz (5th)

Anthony Joshua:

• Gary Cornish (unranked & unbeaten)
• Dillian Whyte (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 6th though)
• Charles Martin (10th, the IBF champ & also unbeaten)
• Dominic Breazeale (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 8th though)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Wladimir Klitschko (2nd, a future Hall-of-Famer & only tasted defeat once in the 13 years prior)
• Carlos Takam (unranked, but was the IBF's mandatory & a late substitute opponent)
• Joseph Parker (3rd, the WBO champ & also unbeaten)

How many times has Deontay Wilder attempted to unify the heavyweight division? Zero

How many mandatory defences of his WBC title has ‘The Bronze Bomber’ performed during his thirty nine months title reign? Only once, against an opponent on a poor run of form and had already defeated

Other than Bermane Stiverne & Luis Ortiz, how many times has the American competed against top-ten world class opposition? Zero

How many times has Deontay Wilder or his team attempted to initiate contract negotiations to Anthony Joshua’s team and proposed the terms for a potential bout? Zero

Is it true that AJ was paid almost twice as much for the Joseph Parker (≈$20m) bout alone than the combined total that Wilder commanded for all eight of his WBC world title fights (≈$11.1m)? Yes

Is it true that AJ holds the IBF, WBA, WBO & IBO titles, with Wilder only possessing the WBC belt? Yes

Is it true that ESPN, The RING & BoxRec rate Anthony Joshua above Deontay Wilder in their heavyweight rankings? Yes

How many times has Deontay Wilder competed in a WBC world title fight against an opponent that wasn’t affiliated in some manner to Al Haymon? One (Johann Duhaupas)

[oogiebe]

One huge mistake you gave Eric Molina listed as a mandatory defense for Joshua.
Molina was ranked 15th December 2016 when the fought. That's 15th by the ibf.

My post that you’ve quoted contains more than 30 facts and you’re attempting to use minutiae to undermine my entire argument, by overrating the importance of a single minor trivial point, as a weak ploy to pretend that everything else that I’ve written is false and should therefore be ignored.

After last weekend’s irrational rant, when you openly admitted to being deeply offended about my ability to quote the existence of a WBC rule that you claimed didn’t exist, is that how it’s going to be from now on?

Are you going to do your upmost to look for small errors, typos and grammar issues, as an opportunity to boast about my lack of knowledge?

You’re absolutely correct, Eric Molina wasn’t the IBF’s mandatory when he fought AJ, but he was the 7th highest ranked challenger (not 15th, as you claim) by that governing body. So should I behave as equally juvenile as your good self and pretend that you’ve also made a “huge mistake”?

Also by your own research at the time of their fights. Joshua only had 2 ring magazine rated fights.
Wilder had 3

Please explain this statement? Do you find it challenging to count to three or have you badly articulated your thoughts?

If Wilder and Joshua fought tomorrow, both the Brit (Martin, Klitschko & Parker) and the American (Stiverne twice & Ortiz) would have engaged in three fights against top-ten RING–rated opponents (at the time of their bouts).

Also, Joseph Parker, Dillian Whyte and Dominic Brazeale are currently rated in The RING’s top-ten heavyweight fighters, with all three of them having previously suffered defeat to AJ.

The only fighter that Deontay Wilder has defeated in the current top-ten RING-rated heavyweights list is Luis Ortiz.

I assume you agree with the entire content of the remainder of my post though? If not, then please explain the reason why you disagree with the following claims?

People keep arguing that AJ is somehow obliged to meet Deontay Wilder’s purse demands and are accusing him of “ducking” the American, despite ‘The Bronze Bomber’ having never attempted to make the bout.

If you take one look at The RING’s ratings at the time AJ & Wilder competed in their last eight bouts, it actually seems kind of bizarre for anyone to support Deontay’s position in relation to this matter…

Deontay Wilder:

• Bermane Stiverne (3rd)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Johann Duhaupas (unranked & tasted defeat two fights prior)
• Artur Szpilka (unranked)
• Chris Arreola (unranked & only won two of his previous six outings)
• Gerald Washington (unranked)
• Bermane Stiverne (7th & had struggled to defeat a journeyman in his only outing since his first defeat to Wilder)
• Luis Ortiz (5th)

Anthony Joshua:

• Gary Cornish (unranked & unbeaten)
• Dillian Whyte (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 6th though)
• Charles Martin (10th, the IBF champ & also unbeaten)
• Dominic Breazeale (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 8th though)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Wladimir Klitschko (2nd, a future Hall-of-Famer & only tasted defeat once in the 13 years prior)
• Carlos Takam (unranked, but was the IBF's mandatory & a late substitute opponent)
• Joseph Parker (3rd, the WBO champ & also unbeaten)

How many times has Deontay Wilder attempted to unify the heavyweight division? Zero

How many mandatory defences of his WBC title has ‘The Bronze Bomber’ performed during his thirty nine months title reign? Only once, against an opponent on a poor run of form and had already defeated

Other than Bermane Stiverne & Luis Ortiz, how many times has the American competed against top-ten world class opposition? Zero

How many times has Deontay Wilder or his team attempted to initiate contract negotiations to Anthony Joshua’s team and proposed the terms for a potential bout? Zero

Is it true that AJ was paid almost twice as much for the Joseph Parker (≈$20m) bout alone than the combined total that Wilder commanded for all eight of his WBC world title fights (≈$11.1m)? Yes

Is it true that AJ holds the IBF, WBA, WBO & IBO titles, with Wilder only possessing the WBC belt? Yes

Is it true that ESPN, The RING & BoxRec rate Anthony Joshua above Deontay Wilder in their heavyweight rankings? Yes

How many times has Deontay Wilder competed in a WBC world title fight against an opponent that wasn’t affiliated in some manner to Al Haymon? One (Johann Duhaupas)

Wow...way too long for me to spend time reading. What's your end point here?

[tiny_acres]

One huge mistake you gave Eric Molina listed as a mandatory defense for Joshua.
Molina was ranked 15th December 2016 when the fought. That's 15th by the ibf.

My post that you’ve quoted contains more than 30 facts and you’re attempting to use minutiae to undermine my entire argument, by overrating the importance of a single minor trivial point, as a weak ploy to pretend that everything else that I’ve written is false and should therefore be ignored.

After last weekend’s irrational rant, when you openly admitted to being deeply offended about my ability to quote the existence of a WBC rule that you claimed didn’t exist, is that how it’s going to be from now on?

Are you going to do your upmost to look for small errors, typos and grammar issues, as an opportunity to boast about my lack of knowledge?

You’re absolutely correct, Eric Molina wasn’t the IBF’s mandatory when he fought AJ, but he was the 7th highest ranked challenger (not 15th, as you claim) by that governing body. So should I behave as equally juvenile as your good self and pretend that you’ve also made a “huge mistake”?

Also by your own research at the time of their fights. Joshua only had 2 ring magazine rated fights.
Wilder had 3

Please explain this statement? Do you find it challenging to count to three or have you badly articulated your thoughts?

If Wilder and Joshua fought tomorrow, both the Brit (Martin, Klitschko & Parker) and the American (Stiverne twice & Ortiz) would have engaged in three fights against top-ten RING–rated opponents (at the time of their bouts).

Also, Joseph Parker, Dillian Whyte and Dominic Brazeale are currently rated in The RING’s top-ten heavyweight fighters, with all three of them having previously suffered defeat to AJ.

The only fighter that Deontay Wilder has defeated in the current top-ten RING-rated heavyweights list is Luis Ortiz.

The reason why I compared Wilder’s and AJ’s last eight opponents was to prove that the Brit has mixed with better quality opposition, the fact that both men faced three top-ten RING-rated fighters (at the time of their bouts) doesn’t affect my claim, since a couple of Joshua’s victims were on the ascendancy. So you’ve missed the point, haven’t you?

I assume you agree with the entire content of the remainder of my post though? If not, then please explain the reason why you disagree with the following claims?

People keep arguing that AJ is somehow obliged to meet Deontay Wilder’s purse demands and are accusing him of “ducking” the American, despite ‘The Bronze Bomber’ having never attempted to make the bout.

If you take one look at The RING’s ratings at the time AJ & Wilder competed in their last eight bouts, it actually seems kind of bizarre for anyone to support Deontay’s position in relation to this matter…

Deontay Wilder:

• Bermane Stiverne (3rd)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Johann Duhaupas (unranked & tasted defeat two fights prior)
• Artur Szpilka (unranked)
• Chris Arreola (unranked & only won two of his previous six outings)
• Gerald Washington (unranked)
• Bermane Stiverne (7th & had struggled to defeat a journeyman in his only outing since his first defeat to Wilder)
• Luis Ortiz (5th)

Anthony Joshua:

• Gary Cornish (unranked & unbeaten)
• Dillian Whyte (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 6th though)
• Charles Martin (10th, the IBF champ & also unbeaten)
• Dominic Breazeale (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 8th though)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Wladimir Klitschko (2nd, a future Hall-of-Famer & only tasted defeat once in the 13 years prior)
• Carlos Takam (unranked, but was the IBF's mandatory & a late substitute opponent)
• Joseph Parker (3rd, the WBO champ & also unbeaten)

How many times has Deontay Wilder attempted to unify the heavyweight division? Zero

How many mandatory defences of his WBC title has ‘The Bronze Bomber’ performed during his thirty nine months title reign? Only once, against an opponent on a poor run of form and had already defeated

Other than Bermane Stiverne & Luis Ortiz, how many times has the American competed against top-ten world class opposition? Zero

How many times has Deontay Wilder or his team attempted to initiate contract negotiations to Anthony Joshua’s team and proposed the terms for a potential bout? Zero

Is it true that AJ was paid almost twice as much for the Joseph Parker (≈$20m) bout alone than the combined total that Wilder commanded for all eight of his WBC world title fights (≈$11.1m)? Yes

Is it true that AJ holds the IBF, WBA, WBO & IBO titles, with Wilder only possessing the WBC belt? Yes

Is it true that ESPN, The RING & BoxRec rate Anthony Joshua above Deontay Wilder in their heavyweight rankings? Yes

How many times has Deontay Wilder competed in a WBC world title fight against an opponent that wasn’t affiliated in some manner to Al Haymon? One (Johann Duhaupas)

Please go to the big website and check ratings dating 12/01/2016
Molina was number 15.

You stated these so called facts. I'm questioning of Joshua faced 2 ranked contenders as opposed to the 3 ranked contenders that you clearly show. Using the ratings of your choice. How is it so much worse.
And honestly I'm just playing devils advocate on this situation.

[tiny_acres]

One huge mistake you gave Eric Molina listed as a mandatory defense for Joshua.
Molina was ranked 15th December 2016 when the fought. That's 15th by the ibf.

My post that you’ve quoted contains more than 30 facts and you’re attempting to use minutiae to undermine my entire argument, by overrating the importance of a single minor trivial point, as a weak ploy to pretend that everything else that I’ve written is false and should therefore be ignored.

After last weekend’s irrational rant, when you openly admitted to being deeply offended about my ability to quote the existence of a WBC rule that you claimed didn’t exist, is that how it’s going to be from now on?

Are you going to do your upmost to look for small errors, typos and grammar issues, as an opportunity to boast about my lack of knowledge?

You’re absolutely correct, Eric Molina wasn’t the IBF’s mandatory when he fought AJ, but he was the 7th highest ranked challenger (not 15th, as you claim) by that governing body. So should I behave as equally juvenile as your good self and pretend that you’ve also made a “huge mistake”?

Also by your own research at the time of their fights. Joshua only had 2 ring magazine rated fights.
Wilder had 3

Please explain this statement? Do you find it challenging to count to three or have you badly articulated your thoughts?

If Wilder and Joshua fought tomorrow, both the Brit (Martin, Klitschko & Parker) and the American (Stiverne twice & Ortiz) would have engaged in three fights against top-ten RING–rated opponents (at the time of their bouts).

Also, Joseph Parker, Dillian Whyte and Dominic Brazeale are currently rated in The RING’s top-ten heavyweight fighters, with all three of them having previously suffered defeat to AJ.

The only fighter that Deontay Wilder has defeated in the current top-ten RING-rated heavyweights list is Luis Ortiz.

The reason why I compared Wilder’s and AJ’s last eight opponents was to prove that the Brit has mixed with better quality opposition, the fact that both men faced three top-ten RING-rated fighters (at the time of their bouts) doesn’t affect my claim, since a couple of Joshua’s victims were on the ascendancy. So you’ve missed the point, haven’t you?

I assume you agree with the entire content of the remainder of my post though? If not, then please explain the reason why you disagree with the following claims?

People keep arguing that AJ is somehow obliged to meet Deontay Wilder’s purse demands and are accusing him of “ducking” the American, despite ‘The Bronze Bomber’ having never attempted to make the bout.

If you take one look at The RING’s ratings at the time AJ & Wilder competed in their last eight bouts, it actually seems kind of bizarre for anyone to support Deontay’s position in relation to this matter…

Deontay Wilder:

• Bermane Stiverne (3rd)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Johann Duhaupas (unranked & tasted defeat two fights prior)
• Artur Szpilka (unranked)
• Chris Arreola (unranked & only won two of his previous six outings)
• Gerald Washington (unranked)
• Bermane Stiverne (7th & had struggled to defeat a journeyman in his only outing since his first defeat to Wilder)
• Luis Ortiz (5th)

Anthony Joshua:

• Gary Cornish (unranked & unbeaten)
• Dillian Whyte (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 6th though)
• Charles Martin (10th, the IBF champ & also unbeaten)
• Dominic Breazeale (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 8th though)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Wladimir Klitschko (2nd, a future Hall-of-Famer & only tasted defeat once in the 13 years prior)
• Carlos Takam (unranked, but was the IBF's mandatory & a late substitute opponent)
• Joseph Parker (3rd, the WBO champ & also unbeaten)

How many times has Deontay Wilder attempted to unify the heavyweight division? Zero

How many mandatory defences of his WBC title has ‘The Bronze Bomber’ performed during his thirty nine months title reign? Only once, against an opponent on a poor run of form and had already defeated

Other than Bermane Stiverne & Luis Ortiz, how many times has the American competed against top-ten world class opposition? Zero

How many times has Deontay Wilder or his team attempted to initiate contract negotiations to Anthony Joshua’s team and proposed the terms for a potential bout? Zero

Is it true that AJ was paid almost twice as much for the Joseph Parker (≈$20m) bout alone than the combined total that Wilder commanded for all eight of his WBC world title fights (≈$11.1m)? Yes

Is it true that AJ holds the IBF, WBA, WBO & IBO titles, with Wilder only possessing the WBC belt? Yes

Is it true that ESPN, The RING & BoxRec rate Anthony Joshua above Deontay Wilder in their heavyweight rankings? Yes

How many times has Deontay Wilder competed in a WBC world title fight against an opponent that wasn’t affiliated in some manner to Al Haymon? One (Johann Duhaupas)

Please go to the big website and check ratings dating 12/01/2016
Molina was number 15.

You stated these so called facts. I'm questioning of Joshua faced 2 ranked contenders as opposed to the 3 ranked contenders that you clearly show. Using the ratings of your choice. How is it so much worse.
And honestly I'm just playing devils advocate on this situation.

But I will stand corrected on it being 3 for Joshua also. My apologies for missing Martin.
Easy to over look him lol

[Enlightened-One]

Wow...way too long for me to spend time reading. What's your end point here?

The original point of my post was to compare the careers of Wilder and Joshua to prove that the American talks a good game, but doesn’t actually fulfil almost any of the claims he conveys to the media, such as trying to unify the belts, initiate contract negotiations to face AJ and to consistently face the very best available opposition.

I also wanted to undermine “The Bronze Bomber’s” claim about him deserving a “50-50 purse split” to face Anthony Joshua.

So I listed dozens of facts to prove that he doesn’t, since there were so many silly things being claimed.

[tiny_acres]

My post that you’ve quoted contains more than 30 facts and you’re attempting to use minutiae to undermine my entire argument, by overrating the importance of a single minor trivial point, as a weak ploy to pretend that everything else that I’ve written is false and should therefore be ignored.

After last weekend’s irrational rant, when you openly admitted to being deeply offended about my ability to quote the existence of a WBC rule that you claimed didn’t exist, is that how it’s going to be from now on?

Are you going to do your upmost to look for small errors, typos and grammar issues, as an opportunity to boast about my lack of knowledge?

You’re absolutely correct, Eric Molina wasn’t the IBF’s mandatory when he fought AJ, but he was the 7th highest ranked challenger (not 15th, as you claim) by that governing body. So should I behave as equally juvenile as your good self and pretend that you’ve also made a “huge mistake”?

Please explain this statement? Do you find it challenging to count to three or have you badly articulated your thoughts?

If Wilder and Joshua fought tomorrow, both the Brit (Martin, Klitschko & Parker) and the American (Stiverne twice & Ortiz) would have engaged in three fights against top-ten RING–rated opponents (at the time of their bouts).

Also, Joseph Parker, Dillian Whyte and Dominic Brazeale are currently rated in The RING’s top-ten heavyweight fighters, with all three of them having previously suffered defeat to AJ.

The only fighter that Deontay Wilder has defeated in the current top-ten RING-rated heavyweights list is Luis Ortiz.

The reason why I compared Wilder’s and AJ’s last eight opponents was to prove that the Brit has mixed with better quality opposition, the fact that both men faced three top-ten RING-rated fighters (at the time of their bouts) doesn’t affect my claim, since a couple of Joshua’s victims were on the ascendancy. So you’ve missed the point, haven’t you?

I assume you agree with the entire content of the remainder of my post though? If not, then please explain the reason why you disagree with the following claims?

Please go to the big website and check ratings dating 12/01/2016
Molina was number 15.

You stated these so called facts. I'm questioning of Joshua faced 2 ranked contenders as opposed to the 3 ranked contenders that you clearly show. Using the ratings of your choice. How is it so much worse.
And honestly I'm just playing devils advocate on this situation.

But I will stand corrected on it being 3 for Joshua also. My apologies for missing Martin.
Easy to over look him lol

Also just a quick note.
I have stated numerous times that you make some very valid arguments. Some well thought out posts.
My problem I have and have had with you has been your condescending attitude towards nearly all posters.
I am here for fun well thought out debates.
I not anyone here really wants to be talked to like we are retarded.

I would honestly enjoy having a civil debate on different boxing related topics with you.
As again I have found numerous comments you have made in the past interesting and thought provocative.
Thanks

[Enlightened-One]

Please go to the big website and check ratings dating 12/01/2016
Molina was number 15.

According to the IBF’s own website, their rankings of the heavyweight division for the month of October 2016 was actually posted on the 1st November, 2016… and at this moment in time, Eric Molina was rated 8th, with their top spot lying vacant, meaning he was their seventh highest ranked title challenger.

Anthony Joshua & Eric Molina fought on the 10th December, 2016.

The IBF’s rankings for the month of November 2016 were actually posted on the 12th December, 2016, which was two days after their bout.

If you don’t believe me, why don’t you read their own page?

Also, there are numerous articles that are easily accessible on the intranet to verify this, if you bothered to research the validity of your claims prior to making them:
"But Joshua’s team have opted for Texan Molina, who is ranked No 8 by the IBF and WBC."

You stated these so called facts. I'm questioning of Joshua faced 2 ranked contenders as opposed to the 3 ranked contenders that you clearly show. Using the ratings of your choice. How is it so much worse.

If you don’t agree with The RING’s ratings then that’s a separate argument and is a debate that should be held on a separate thread.

However, I listed facts and we know for certain that The RING considered three of AJ’s opponents as top-ten world-rated heavyweights (at the time of their fights). You cannot pretend that this is untrue.

I’m confident that ESPN also concurred with The RING, in relation to their evaluation of Charles Martin, Wladimir Klitschko and Joseph Parker at the time they all fought AJ.

For the record, you’ve tweaked your argument. At first you claimed that AJ has only faced two The RING rated top-ten heavyweights and when I proved you wrong, you’ve changed the direction of your argument to claim that I’m using ratings of my own choice. Make your mind up!

Stick to the points you’ve raised! Don’t keep changing the direction of your argument onto more solid ground whenever you feel undermined and lack confidence to stand by your beliefs!

My problem I have and have had with you has been your condescending attitude towards nearly all posters.
I am here for fun well thought out debates.
I not anyone here really wants to be talked to like we are retarded.

I would honestly enjoy having a civil debate on different boxing related topics with you.
As again I have found numerous comments you have made in the past interesting and thought provocative.

I have never previously attacked you during any of our discussions and have always conducted myself in an appropriate manner when we had disagreements, but after taking several strongly-worded insults from yourself last weekend, I felt I had to give you a taste of your own medicine.

I don’t mind, but someone else insults me, so I retaliate, you decide to jump on the bandwagon and start dishing out the abuse to me also (completely unprovoked might I add), even though I hadn’t said a bad word to you ever… and then you take great offence when I start treating you as harshly as you treat me. What gives?

If you can’t take it, then don’t dish it out in the first place. I’m never hostile to others without provocation.

[tiny_acres]

Please go to the big website and check ratings dating 12/01/2016
Molina was number 15.

According to the IBF’s own website, their rankings of the heavyweight division for the month of October 2016 was actually posted on the 1st November, 2016… and at this moment in time, Eric Molina was rated 8th, with their top spot lying vacant, meaning he was their seventh highest ranked title challenger.

Anthony Joshua & Eric Molina fought on the 10th December, 2016.

The IBF’s rankings for the month of November 2016 were actually posted on the 12th December, 2016, which was two days after their bout.

If you don’t believe me, why don’t you read their own page?

Also, there are numerous articles that are easily accessible on the intranet to verify this, if you bothered to research the validity of your claims prior to making them:
"But Joshua’s team have opted for Texan Molina, who is ranked No 8 by the IBF and WBC."

You stated these so called facts. I'm questioning of Joshua faced 2 ranked contenders as opposed to the 3 ranked contenders that you clearly show. Using the ratings of your choice. How is it so much worse.

If you don’t agree with The RING’s ratings then that’s a separate argument.

However, I listed facts and we know for certain that The RING considered three of AJ’s opponents as top-ten world-rated heavyweights (at the time of their fights). You cannot pretend that this is untrue.

I’m confident that ESPN also concurred with The RING, in relation to their evaluation of Charles Martin, Wladimir Klitschko and Joseph Parker at the time they all fought AJ.

My problem I have and have had with you has been your condescending attitude towards nearly all posters.
I am here for fun well thought out debates.
I not anyone here really wants to be talked to like we are retarded.

I would honestly enjoy having a civil debate on different boxing related topics with you.
As again I have found numerous comments you have made in the past interesting and thought provocative.

I have never previously attacked you during any of our discussions and have always conducted myself in an appropriate manner when we had disagreements, but after taking several strongly-worded insults from yourself last weekend, I felt I had to give you a taste of your own medicine.

I don’t mind, but someone else insults me, so I retaliate, you decide to jump on the bandwagon and start dishing out the abuse to me also (completely unprovoked might I add), even though I hadn’t said a bad word to you ever… and then you take great offence when I start treating you as harshly as you treat me. What gives?

If you can’t take it, then don’t dish it out in the first place. I’m never hostile to others without provocation.

dude just trying to bury the hatchet.
That argument is done and over. I hope we can continue a civil debate such as this one.

[tiny_acres]

Please go to the big website and check ratings dating 12/01/2016
Molina was number 15.

According to the IBF’s own website, their rankings of the heavyweight division for the month of October 2016 was actually posted on the 1st November, 2016… and at this moment in time, Eric Molina was rated 8th, with their top spot lying vacant, meaning he was their seventh highest ranked title challenger.

Anthony Joshua & Eric Molina fought on the 10th December, 2016.

The IBF’s rankings for the month of November 2016 were actually posted on the 12th December, 2016, which was two days after their bout.

If you don’t believe me, why don’t you read their own page?

Also, there are numerous articles that are easily accessible on the intranet to verify this, if you bothered to research the validity of your claims prior to making them:
"But Joshua’s team have opted for Texan Molina, who is ranked No 8 by the IBF and WBC."

You stated these so called facts. I'm questioning of Joshua faced 2 ranked contenders as opposed to the 3 ranked contenders that you clearly show. Using the ratings of your choice. How is it so much worse.

If you don’t agree with The RING’s ratings then that’s a separate argument.

However, I listed facts and we know for certain that The RING considered three of AJ’s opponents as top-ten world-rated heavyweights (at the time of their fights). You cannot pretend that this is untrue.

I’m confident that ESPN also concurred with The RING, in relation to their evaluation of Charles Martin, Wladimir Klitschko and Joseph Parker at the time they all fought AJ.

My problem I have and have had with you has been your condescending attitude towards nearly all posters.
I am here for fun well thought out debates.
I not anyone here really wants to be talked to like we are retarded.

I would honestly enjoy having a civil debate on different boxing related topics with you.
As again I have found numerous comments you have made in the past interesting and thought provocative.

I have never previously attacked you during any of our discussions and have always conducted myself in an appropriate manner when we had disagreements, but after taking several strongly-worded insults from yourself last weekend, I felt I had to give you a taste of your own medicine.

I don’t mind, but someone else insults me, so I retaliate, you decide to jump on the bandwagon and start dishing out the abuse to me also (completely unprovoked might I add), even though I hadn’t said a bad word to you ever… and then you take great offence when I start treating you as harshly as you treat me. What gives?

If you can’t take it, then don’t dish it out in the first place. I’m never hostile to others without provocation.

dude just trying to bury the hatchet.
That argument is done and over. I hope we can continue a civil debate such as this one.

And by the way I couldn't find a single article on his rating prior to his fight with Joshua.
That's why I went to the ibf website

[Enlightened-One]

dude just trying to bury the hatchet.
That argument is done and over. I hope we can continue a civil debate such as this one.

I am more than happy to engage in debates in a polite manner, as long as you refrain from attacking me without provocation, which you have previously openly admitted to doing.

And by the way I couldn't find a single article on his rating prior to his fight with Joshua.
That's why I went to the ibf website

My response to you provided a hyperlink to an article. Also, the IBF website clearly details the dates for when they publish their monthly rankings, as they do it retrospectively.

[oogiebe]

85 pages...6 posts.

[tiny_acres]

85 pages...6 posts.

[KiwiRider]

85 pages...6 posts.

Plenty of good information in those pages though
I found it well worth reading.

[tiny_acres]

85 pages...6 posts.

Plenty of good information in those pages though :TU

very true

[asdfjkl]

What's the most obvious is that AJ his opponents only won ever since their AJ match, Parker his guys only won (except for Takam against AJ), and Wilder his guys regularly lost, retired, or showed much worser performances against other competition. Go dive in the numbers if you like.

[tiny_acres]

What's the most obvious is that AJ his opponents only won ever since their AJ match, Parker his guys only won (except for Takam against AJ), and Wilder his guys regularly lost, retired, or showed much worser performances against other competition. Go dive in the numbers if you like.

Martin 2 wins over bums since title shot
Breazeale has 2 decent wins since title shot
Molina 1-1 since title shot including no loss to Breazelle
Klitschko retired
Takam hasn't fought since
Parker just happened

Wilders
Stiverne 1-1 including rematch by brutal no
Molina 3-2 one of those losses was to Joshua
Duhaupas 5-1 since title shot
Szpolka 0-1
Areola retired thank God
Washington 0-1 only fight was to highly ranked Miller
Ortiz just happened.

None of these fighters has set the world on fire since their title shots.
So I font know what you're talking about.
3 of Joshua's victims haven't fought since their title shots.

It's just non-statistics to hear yourself speak

[asdfjkl]

What's the most obvious is that AJ his opponents only won ever since their AJ match, Parker his guys only won (except for Takam against AJ), and Wilder his guys regularly lost, retired, or showed much worser performances against other competition. Go dive in the numbers if you like.

Martin 2 wins over bums since title shot
Breazeale has 2 decent wins since title shot
Molina 1-1 since title shot including no loss to Breazelle
Klitschko retired
Takam hasn't fought since
Parker just happened

Wilders
Stiverne 1-1 including rematch by brutal no
Molina 3-2 one of those losses was to Joshua
Duhaupas 5-1 since title shot
Szpolka 0-1
Areola retired thank God
Washington 0-1 only fight was to highly ranked Miller
Ortiz just happened.

None of these fighters has set the world on fire since their title shots.
So I font know what you're talking about.
3 of Joshua's victims haven't fought since their title shots.

It's just non-statistics to hear yourself speak

Including "no loss against Breazeale"?
What are you talking about? And he was uncredebly lucky to win against Adamek.
Stiverne never fought anyone ranked any more and the only guy he did fight in 2015 before he received another world titleshot was a guy who got KOed by a cruiserweight recently. I think barely anyone in the boxrec top 100 would lose against Stiverne.

All of Wilder his opponents either lost or haven't fought ever since, meanwhile several of AJ's opponents have beaten undefeated guys, are ranked right now, or are even in mandatory position. Parker his opponents also never lost again and have wins against undefeated guys. Unless they fought AJ ofcourse. All the guys both Wilder, as well as AJ fought, AJ showed a better performance against.

[tiny_acres]

What's the most obvious is that AJ his opponents only won ever since their AJ match, Parker his guys only won (except for Takam against AJ), and Wilder his guys regularly lost, retired, or showed much worser performances against other competition. Go dive in the numbers if you like.

Martin 2 wins over bums since title shot
Breazeale has 2 decent wins since title shot
Molina 1-1 since title shot including no loss to Breazelle
Klitschko retired
Takam hasn't fought since
Parker just happened

Wilders
Stiverne 1-1 including rematch by brutal no
Molina 3-2 one of those losses was to Joshua
Duhaupas 5-1 since title shot
Szpolka 0-1
Areola retired thank God
Washington 0-1 only fight was to highly ranked Miller
Ortiz just happened.

None of these fighters has set the world on fire since their title shots.
So I font know what you're talking about.
3 of Joshua's victims haven't fought since their title shots.

It's just non-statistics to hear yourself speak

Including "no loss against Breazeale"?
What are you talking about? And he was uncredebly lucky to win against Adamek.
Stiverne never fought anyone ranked any more and the only guy he did fight in 2015 before he received another world titleshot was a guy who got KOed by a cruiserweight recently. I think barely anyone in the boxrec top 100 would lose against Stiverne.

All of Wilder his opponents either lost or haven't fought ever since, meanwhile several of AJ's opponents have beaten undefeated guys, are ranked right now, or are even in mandatory position. Parker his opponents also never lost again and have wins against undefeated guys. Unless they fought AJ ofcourse. All the guys both Wilder, as well as AJ fought, AJ showed a better performance against.

What I'm saying is these statistics mean nothing.
Zero zip zilch

[jamamb]

ajs clearly been moved much more ambitiously then wilder and clearly has a better record, even though hes been pro half the time and fights, as enlightened ones excellent post shows this

to single aj out here as the protected one, and wilder somehow as this super ambitious guy challenging himself is so obviously biased, it comes from a corner where ppl put all the blame on aj and only believe team wilder

wilder at the same stage as aj had fought no one better then kelvin price, and aj fights at a consistently higher level then anyone at hw

[jamamb]

i asked this in the british section, but which hws after just 4 years and 21 fights had better record then aj? youd have to go back at least 30 yrs or so, and if you go by number if fights probably back over 50

[asdfjkl]

Wilder got a troll army by buying a few youtubers who lie every day for him, some idiots actually believe their lies. It's a very effective way of creating lies. I can't comment on them, my posts won't be visable for others, because I tell the truth, but if you believe the lie, or agree with the maker of the vid, your posts will be visable. So when you read the comments you start thinking 90% of people agree with them. If 90% agrees it must be right right? Also, if you dislike the vid, you won't see his next vid any more, if you do like, there's a good chance all your friends will also see the vid over time. You can see that all those 78sportstv and tickettv are probablt the clearest ones. Just keep on repeating the lies, spread on the fake news wherever you got the chance. It's always the same stories they spread. They claim Povetkin is a doper, everybody ducks Wilder and Wilder does whatever he can to fight top guys. While in reality Wilder always avoided all the risky fights all his carreer with piles of excuses. "It's too cold in Russia!", "Briggs and Mansour aren't serious!", "I wanted to fight Hughie Fury, but I can't give him 8 weeks notice!" *gives Duhaupas the fight instead, 7,5 weeks later.
"No, we don't rush Wilder after 33 fights", when Klitschko was barely 40 years old! Did AJ beat Klitschko? Oh, but he was old, so it doesn't really count. "Whyte? Nah, he's not good enough! Let's fight Stiverne!" Everything Wilder did was getting old guys out of retirement for a final payday, or fight absolute no hopers. You can easely see that Stiverne, Arreola, Washington, Szpilka have absolutely no chance at top level. Hughie Fury would smash them all over the ring like dolls. They stopped Joe Joyce his sparring session with Stiverne because the level difference was too high, next they give Stiverne the WBC mandatory spot without winning against any ranked WBC boxer at all for... Well at least 3 years. I don't think he ever fought someone that isn't retired right now has he? And all those so called Wilder fans continue to act like Wilder is a somebody.
Wilder and his team ruined the entire sport for years and years in a row, they didn't even want to broadcast it any more. I can't find any video footage of Stiverne his last win, but he did became the mandatory with that fight behind closed doors right?


Wilder and his team ruined boxing as a sport completely and AJ build it all the way back up again. And now, after all those years there is a good payday out there and now we all have to wait to give Wilder the money AJ earned?

You know, Wilder is the kind of guy that gives poo about his whole family for years and years in a row, while his small half sister takes care of his old parents all her life. And then at the very end when his father dies he screams. Hey, that's my heritage! They are my parents! Look at my last name! You see what a criminal see is officer?! She tries to kick me out of the family! Look, the court gave me right! Everybody is a thief, except for me!

That's the kind of guy Wilder is, sad, but true.

My god, listen to the Wilder scamchannels:



Where the F are these delusional idiots getting their imaginary numbers from? AJ would gladly sign for 50 mil. And those retarded Americans in the comments actually believe this shit?!

These Americans are completely nuts, not worth talking with, worse then retarded. How can you defend shit like this?!



I mean WTF, I was worried for Wilder if he can even pay AJ 12 milion back in the rematch if Wilder wins, but these guys are acting like he deserves even more!

[ClivePatrickLyons]

OFFER WILDER $12.5 MILLION FOR THE FIGHT WHEN ITS GOT THE POTENTIAL [THE FIGHT] TO BE A $100 MILLION DOLLAR FIGHT SO THATS NOT EVEN near 20% these people are thief's.

[jamamb]

100m total is fantasy right now, wlad was a much bigger earner then wilder and he only got like 15m of 35-40m total

[asdfjkl]

If a 100m fight was even close near true, then offer AJ 60m and Wilder can take all the money that's left.

[asdfjkl]

Even worse! It's ridiculous! "Wilder doesn't want to fight Whyte because Hearn wants him to and this is not the time of slavery!"

What's wrong with those dumb Americans?