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Posted: **10 Apr 2018, 23:24**

it wont do 199 million, that is absured, as are many of the numbers being thrown around

joshua and wilder on there last showtime fights did like 1.3m combined average, yet somehow were told the fight right now will do 1.5 m in the us on ppv!

Posted: **10 Apr 2018, 23:24**

If I were Wilder I'd just come back with something to keep the fight in play like tack another 5 Mil on there, and we're on.

F*ck percentages. 17.5 Million is a lot of goddamn money, and if you really think you can knock this mahfucka out you're in the driver's seat in the rematch. So let's do this.

Posted: **10 Apr 2018, 23:27**

The absolute guesswork going on regarding amounts and percentages is pie in the sky stuff.

The reality is Hearn will make the offers and Finkel will wait until they receive one they are happy with.

As a fan I just want them to come to an agreement as I want to see the fight.

Posted: **10 Apr 2018, 23:28**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:24 If I were Wilder I'd just come back with something to keep the fight in play like tack another 5 Mil on there, and we're on.

F*ck percentages. 17.5 Million is a lot of goddamn money, and if you really think you can knock this mahfucka out you're in the driver's seat in the rematch. So let's do this.

ultimately your money goes to the bank as pounds/dollars and not percents, wilders manager said this himself

i mean, if he turns down like close to 20m because its not the right percent, hes still giving up like 19m more then he usually makes. i dunno man, seems like A LOT of money to turn down whatever the percent. and of course if he wins hes got a lot bigger name and leverage for the future.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 00:41**

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:20
Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:09
jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:00 they started parker lower too and he ended up with significantly better offer. ggg worked up to a much better deal vs canelo. low starting offer happens a lot. i think wilder will end up with more. and tbh i dont think the pot will be nearly as big as some think, so 12.5m isnt as vastly far off as i think but i expect wilder should get more.

its good that an offer was made at all and that a counter will be made. something rather then the nothing we had before. the work has started.
It's a terrible offer when all is said and done.
Let's say he offers Wilder 15 million, screw that call it 25 million it's still a bad offer considering it will be a PPV fight and will make more money in the U.S than it will in the UK.
Sure the UK will put 80 thousand people in the arena, but wait till you see the PPV revenues from the U.S should it be there.
Personally I don't care who gets what I hope they both earn a fortune I really do, but when some of these numbers are batted around it's almost laughable.
It's pure hype and as much as I love it and no matter what paper it's put in any journalist can be thrown a few quid to say whatever they want him to without a shred of proof.
I think I know what Joshua's camp want to do and in the short term it doesn't involve Deontay Wilder and not because he's scared or avoiding him but I think they know down the road the riches that await them are absolutely enormous.

the ppv numbers wont be that good in the us. wilder and joshua in there last fights on showtime (not ppv) barely averaged over a million combined views. you have no good reason for thinking it will be a ppv smash in the us right now. they are not star level fights in the us like canelo is and like manny, floyd, and oscar were. joshua isnt even half as big as ggg.

25m to wilder would be a terrible offer? your nuts man!

You're basing this in the event Wilder and Joshua were to fight next right I'm not.
If I were either fighter I wouldn't fight next you'd be crazy to do so, I'd bet you anything Eddie Hearn does not want that fight next.
Why do you think Eddies been pitching a Wilder v Whyte fight first ?
It's for 2 reasons ...
1. It puts off a Wilder v Joshua fight to a later date in order to build up more interest.
2. He's hoping Whyte can soften up or beat Wilder thus erasing Wilder from the picture so Joshua doesn't have to fight him at all.

How's it not a terrible offer if say Wilder who's just coming off a barnburner of a fight against Ortiz which significantly improved his image and then has say 1 or 2 more fights against lesser opposition and wins in impressive style.
That raises the stock of Deontay Wilder big time.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 00:43**

Can Wilder even pay AJ his 12,5 mil back in the rematch if Wilder wins?

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 00:47**

asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:43 Can Wilder even pay AJ his 12,5 mil back in the rematch if Wilder wins?

Why couldn't he, he'll have people lining up around the block to front him up the cash considering what they could make from being the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World should he win.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 00:48**

Evander wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:47
asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:43 Can Wilder even pay AJ his 12,5 mil back in the rematch if Wilder wins?
Why couldn't he, he'll have people lining up around the block to front him up the cash considering what they could make from being the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World should he win.

Well, in all of Wilder his first 40 fights combined he probably made less than 12,5 milion.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 00:51**

There are plenty of opponents both Joshua and Wilder could fight in between say now and early mid 2019.
Joshua could fight Fury, Ortiz or one of the lower ranking boxers.
Wilder could fight Povetkin,Fury or also one of the lower ranking boxers.
It's easily done, it's just a matter of who and when.
My money is on Povetkin being one of the first names on the list for either as it's a low risk high reward type of fight.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 00:53**

asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:48
Evander wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:47
asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:43 Can Wilder even pay AJ his 12,5 mil back in the rematch if Wilder wins?
Why couldn't he, he'll have people lining up around the block to front him up the cash considering what they could make from being the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World should he win.
Well, in all of Wilder his first 40 fights combined he probably made less than 12,5 milion.

Maybe true.
But I'll bet you Floyd Mayweather made more money in the 1 fight against Manny Pacquiao than he did in all his previous fights combined.
All about timing.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 01:10**

Evander wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:41
jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:20
Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:09

It's a terrible offer when all is said and done.
Let's say he offers Wilder 15 million, screw that call it 25 million it's still a bad offer considering it will be a PPV fight and will make more money in the U.S than it will in the UK.
Sure the UK will put 80 thousand people in the arena, but wait till you see the PPV revenues from the U.S should it be there.
Personally I don't care who gets what I hope they both earn a fortune I really do, but when some of these numbers are batted around it's almost laughable.
It's pure hype and as much as I love it and no matter what paper it's put in any journalist can be thrown a few quid to say whatever they want him to without a shred of proof.
I think I know what Joshua's camp want to do and in the short term it doesn't involve Deontay Wilder and not because he's scared or avoiding him but I think they know down the road the riches that await them are absolutely enormous.

the ppv numbers wont be that good in the us. wilder and joshua in there last fights on showtime (not ppv) barely averaged over a million combined views. you have no good reason for thinking it will be a ppv smash in the us right now. they are not star level fights in the us like canelo is and like manny, floyd, and oscar were. joshua isnt even half as big as ggg.

25m to wilder would be a terrible offer? your nuts man!
You're basing this in the event Wilder and Joshua were to fight next right I'm not.
If I were either fighter I wouldn't fight next you'd be crazy to do so, I'd bet you anything Eddie Hearn does not want that fight next.
Why do you think Eddies been pitching a Wilder v Whyte fight first ?
It's for 2 reasons ...
1. It puts off a Wilder v Joshua fight to a later date in order to build up more interest.
2. He's hoping Whyte can soften up or beat Wilder thus erasing Wilder from the picture so Joshua doesn't have to fight him at all.

How's it not a terrible offer if say Wilder who's just coming off a barnburner of a fight against Ortiz which significantly improved his image and then has say 1 or 2 more fights against lesser opposition and wins in impressive style.
That raises the stock of Deontay Wilder big time.

wilder is 40-0 (39) and been a knockout artist champ for years, yet still usually gets like 1.4m a fight, to suggest that 25m would be a poor offer is beyond stupid

its really laughable how some ppl have started throwing around these utterly delusional figures

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 01:12**

Evander wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:51 There are plenty of opponents both Joshua and Wilder could fight in between say now and early mid 2019.
Joshua could fight Fury, Ortiz or one of the lower ranking boxers.
Wilder could fight Povetkin,Fury or also one of the lower ranking boxers.
It's easily done, it's just a matter of who and when.
My money is on Povetkin being one of the first names on the list for either as it's a low risk high reward type of fight.

So Povetkin is AJ his mandatory, but you suggest Wilder should fight him? After Wilder ruined Povetkin his carreer for no reason I don't think Povetkin still wants to fight Wilder any more, Wilder is clearly below Povetkin his level in every single way.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 01:14**

Evander wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:53
asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:48
Evander wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 00:47
Why couldn't he, he'll have people lining up around the block to front him up the cash considering what they could make from being the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World should he win.
Well, in all of Wilder his first 40 fights combined he probably made less than 12,5 milion.
Maybe true.
But I'll bet you Floyd Mayweather made more money in the 1 fight against Manny Pacquiao than he did in all his previous fights combined.
All about timing.

Yea, but Wilder is not Floyd Mayweather, not even 1/100th of him.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 02:22**

Joshua doesn't need Wilder, but he'd love to knock him out and take his title.... Wilder is not Parker.... He gets no split... Whether the fight is next doesn't matter... Just so it happens this year or next year... You want to make 12.5MM???

The money is the sticking point... Everything else is easy... I think Hearn will probably go to 20MM... He's not going to go higher than that... He wants to find out what the Wilder side needs for guaranteed money they can't get elsewhere.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 02:31**

Kalan wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:22 Joshua doesn't need Wilder, but he'd love to knock him out and take his title.... Wilder is not Parker.... He gets no split... Whether the fight is next doesn't matter... Just so it happens this year or next year... You want to make 12.5MM???

The money is the sticking point... Everything else is easy... I think Hearn will probably go to 20MM... He's not going to go higher than that... He wants to find out what the Wilder side needs for guaranteed money they can't get elsewhere.

Joshua has stated many times how much it means to him to unify all the titles.

He would make a lousy poker player because showing his hand is now going to cost him overs in this negotiation.

Finkel will know darn well this amounts to little more than an opening bid from Hearn and he will have his hand out for more - bet on it

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 03:51**

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:16
jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:10 thoughts? says he will respond in 48 hours

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2018 ... shua-will/
So the "contract" does not state where the fight will be, when it will be, or even whether it will be Joshua’s next fight.

Sounds like a single A4 page written in large font to fill the space.

What are you talking about?

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 03:53**

armageto wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:29 The fight is expected to generate over $199 million.

Where did you get that figure from?

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 04:08**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:09
jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:57

some of the estimated figures being thrown around are crazy. if you listen to some people, wilder with 40 percent of the supposedly utterly gargantuan pot should be making more then what wlad and aj combined made for there fight. this is despite boxing those guys being much bigger money makers then him.
Again please think about this.
If this is an 80 million dollar fight.
The offer is 12 million to Joshua's 68 million.
Or if it was 60/40
48 million to Joshua
32 million to Wilder.

This has nothing to do with what Wlad or Joshua made in that fight.
It's larger amounts being discussed.
Percentages period the end

Deontay Wilder has earned a combined total of $11.1m dollars for his last eight WBC world championship fights. The American would have to compete in nine more fights and also emerge victorious in each and every one of them in order to earn the same amount of money he’s being offered to face Anthony Joshua once.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ typically earns less than $1.4m per bout. He is being offered more to face the Brit than Joseph Parker was.

Some of the sums being articulated by the media (in relation to the potential revenue generation for this bout) are simply rhetorical hyperbole, since there’s actually no guarantee that the bout itself is capable of generating that amount of money.

If Deontay Wilder isn’t a big name in the US or the UK, who would be generating the lion's share of the revenue for a bout between the American and AJ?

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 04:16**

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:31
jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:24 surely then wilder must be the worst managed boxer in history if hes this incrediblely massive draw but has only been making like 1m a fight

i mean, wlad made 10m even vs bums and packed stadiums, and he got like 20m vs aj. whereras wilder deserves a MINIMUM starting offer of millions more then that, even though he brings in like 1m a fight?

who has been robbing wilder?
Can you provide proof of that please, thanks in advance.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ (who’s average earnings are less than $1.4m per fight) has previously received the following paydays:

• Gerald Washington = $900K
• Chris Arreola = $1.4m
• Artur Szpilka = $1.5m
• Johann Duhaupas = $1.4m
• Eric Molina = $1.4m
• Bermane Stiverne I = $1m
• Bermane Stiverne II = $1.4m
• Luis Ortiz = $2.1m

The combined total of these fight purses is $11.1m.

So using the mathematical average of $1.3875m per bout, the American would have to compete in another NINE fights in order to earn the same amount of money that Eddie Hearn has presented to him, which of course is $12.5m.

For the record, I am capable of providing evidence to quantify the figures I’ve detailed for each and every one of Deontay Wilder’s paydays for these bouts.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 04:20**

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:49
tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:23
Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:22 Sounds like a low offer I'll be surprised if Wilder takes it.
No way do they take it
Finkel already indicating they won't accept Hearn's offer:

“We will respond appropriately in the next day or so with our counter offer. If Joshua is serious, we will take the fight. Deontay wants this fight. He doesn’t want anyone else.” - Shelly Finkel on behalf of Wilder.

He probably won’t. And you know what? Nobody from Team Wilder will propose a counter offer that surpasses the figure being offered by Eddie Hearn, because they can’t, since the American is incapable of generating those sort of numbers.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 05:04**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 03:51
Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:16
jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:10 thoughts? says he will respond in 48 hours

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2018 ... shua-will/
So the "contract" does not state where the fight will be, when it will be, or even whether it will be Joshua’s next fight.

Sounds like a single A4 page written in large font to fill the space.
What are you talking about?

Did you bother to read the article in the first post of the thread?

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 05:06**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 04:20
Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:49
tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:23

No way do they take it
Finkel already indicating they won't accept Hearn's offer:

“We will respond appropriately in the next day or so with our counter offer. If Joshua is serious, we will take the fight. Deontay wants this fight. He doesn’t want anyone else.” - Shelly Finkel on behalf of Wilder.
He probably won’t. And you know what? Nobody from Team Wilder will propose a counter offer that surpasses the figure being offered by Eddie Hearn, because they can’t, since the American is incapable of generating those sort of numbers.

I suspect Finkel's 'counter' offer will consist of asking for more. We shall see,

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 05:13**

Like a Boss wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 05:04
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 03:51
Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:16

So the "contract" does not state where the fight will be, when it will be, or even whether it will be Joshua’s next fight.

Sounds like a single A4 page written in large font to fill the space.
What are you talking about?
Did you bother to read the article in the first post of the thread?

Yes. And Team Wilder only needs to pick up the phone and ask for clarification of the terms of the offer, which are moot points anyway if the amount being offered is insufficient. Negotiations and the precise nature of the terms stipulated within the contract shouldn't be performed or disclosed to the generate public.

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 05:31**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 05:13
Like a Boss wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 05:04
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 03:51
What are you talking about?
Did you bother to read the article in the first post of the thread?
Yes. And Team Wilder only needs to pick up the phone and ask for clarification of the terms of the offer, which are moot points anyway if the amount being offered is insufficient. Negotiations and the precise nature of the terms stipulated within the contract shouldn't be performed or disclosed to the generate public.

My post you quoted where you asked me 'what I was talking about' was a quote cut and pasted directly from the article

Posted: **11 Apr 2018, 05:42**

Like a Boss wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 05:31
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 05:13
Like a Boss wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 05:04

Did you bother to read the article in the first post of the thread?
Yes. And Team Wilder only needs to pick up the phone and ask for clarification of the terms of the offer, which are moot points anyway if the amount being offered is insufficient. Negotiations and the precise nature of the terms stipulated within the contract shouldn't be performed or disclosed to the generate public.
My post you quoted where you asked me 'what I was talking about' was a quote cut and pasted directly from the article

And my response remains the same. Why would it be any different? I thought the statement itself, regardless as to whoever said it, was irrelevant.

I have never seen fight contracts negotiated between both parties and the precise terms disclosed to the public domain prior to them being signed off. Have you?

Did the following comment come from the article?

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:16Sounds like a single A4 page written in large font to fill the space.

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