Team Wilder makes $50 million offer to Joshua

[Enlightened-One]

What I don’t understand is the justification for the 24-hour deadline that Team Wilder has imposed on Hearn and Joshua for the acceptance of the terms of an "offer" for a fight that will be scheduled sometime during the last three months of the year.

Why the rush? Is Team Wilder not willing to negotiate any of the terms related to their so-called “offer”?

If Eddie Hearn is claiming he hasn’t received a contract and none of the specifics of its terms have been communicated to him, then why should the Matchroom boss or AJ feel compelled to accept or reject the alleged “offer” so quickly?

How serious can Team Wilder’s so-called “offer” really be if they insist the deadline for the acceptance of its terms is by the close of play tonight?

[greg]

...at this point I see it as a publicity stunt, the time frame makes the "offer" all the more suspicious...

[boxing_rocks]

https://www.BS.com/hearn-on-wi ... um=twitter

Hearn on Wilder's Offer: Wonderful PR Move, We Need a Contract

[pablothunder]

All talk, to add to- all the talk, from both sides. Build a bit of interest, have at least another fight each, send forums mad, hope it picks up interest across a wider range of potential buyers. Keep it going until everyone is sick of hearing the to and fro; and then set it up when every potential buyer has heard enough of it.
Will it actually happen this summer? I'm hoping so but, drawing it out for another few months won't do it any harm. That being the case, (and despite the fact I can't be bothered with the boring process) , I'm guessing they'll maximise the build up. Hopefully I'm completely wrong.

[jamesmcdonnell]

all just sabre rattling and hype.

[tomatocan]

I can think of 50 million reasons why AJ should sign the dotted line while offer still on table...

what? he don't want UBF belt?

[boxing_rocks]

[KiwiRider]

I can think of 50 million reasons why AJ should sign the dotted line while offer still on table...

what? he don't want UBF belt?

I can think of a few reasons why he shouldn't sign. Legal reasons surrounding his contractual TV deals and obligations, and more importantly, the lack of a contract.
This whole thing stinks of hype and bullpuckky. 24 hours to sign an offer with no contract?
Who in their right mind would sign that?
Eddie's "publicity stunt" response makes more sense than the "offer"

[HeavyHitters]

The BIG question is...

Did Team AJ send back a request to get a hard-copy of the contract, to review it, and also to be granted an extra 48 hours ( after said contract was delivered ), in order to go over it with a fine tooth comb ( what ever that expression means. ha ha )?

If no response was received from Team AJ, I ask this....

"WHY NOT?!?!?"

It's 50 million bucks, people!

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The BIG question is...

Did Team AJ send back a request to get a hard-copy of the contract, to review it, and also to be granted an extra 48 hours ( after said contract was delivered ), in order to go over it with a fine tooth comb ( what ever that expression means. ha ha )?

If no response was received from Team AJ, I ask this....

"WHY NOT?!?!?"

It's 50 million bucks, people!

Hearn set up a meeting with Haymon and Finkle for this Friday, specifically to discuss terms for this fight (it was actually set up before Deontay's 'offer'). If it's genuine, it will be discussed in the proper detail, at that time.

What we know so far:

• Al Haymon did not make the offer.

• Shelly Finkle did not make the offer.

• Lou DiBella did not make the offer.

• Nobody else with actual authority to issue a contract, or with access to funds to back said contract, made the offer.

• The 'offer' was sent, with an expiry date BEFORE an already arranged meeting between Hearn, Haymon, and Finkle.

So who DID make the offer?

Mr Deontay Wilder himself (with zero authority to offer any kind of deal, and zero access to funds to finance said deal), via a personal email sent to Eddie Hearn, Anthony Joshua, and Rob McCracken.

Zero details, zero authority, only 24 hours notice to accept or reject (despite a meeting already existing beyond that expiry)... That's it.

There's no WAY that 'offer' is genuine - if it is, it will leave Wilder taking home LESS than the $12.5m Hearn offered him. Wilder is spouting hot air, as usual. I suppose it classes as building interest in the fight, for anyone who can't see through the bs...

[boxing_rocks]

Wilder was probably high when he sent that email. Haymon and Finkel had to cancel the meeting with Hearn scheduled for Wednesday in order to come up with a plan to remedy Wilder's stupidity.

[Badhusker]

The BIG question is...

Did Team AJ send back a request to get a hard-copy of the contract, to review it, and also to be granted an extra 48 hours ( after said contract was delivered ), in order to go over it with a fine tooth comb ( what ever that expression means. ha ha )?

If no response was received from Team AJ, I ask this....

"WHY NOT?!?!?"

It's 50 million bucks, people!

Hearn set up a meeting with Haymon and Finkle for this Friday, specifically to discuss terms for this fight (it was actually set up before Deontay's 'offer'). If it's genuine, it will be discussed in the proper detail, at that time.

What we know so far:

• Al Haymon did not make the offer.

• Shelly Finkle did not make the offer.

• Lou DiBella did not make the offer.

• Nobody else with actual authority to issue a contract, or with access to funds to back said contract, made the offer.

• The 'offer' was sent, with an expiry date BEFORE an already arranged meeting between Hearn, Haymon, and Finkle.

So who DID make the offer?

Mr Deontay Wilder himself (with zero authority to offer any kind of deal, and zero access to funds to finance said deal), via a personal email sent to Eddie Hearn, Anthony Joshua, and Rob McCracken.

Zero details, zero authority, only 24 hours notice to accept or reject (despite a meeting already existing beyond that expiry)... That's it.

There's no WAY that 'offer' is genuine - if it is, it will leave Wilder taking home LESS than the $12.5m Hearn offered him. Wilder is spouting hot air, as usual. I suppose it classes as building interest in the fight, for anyone who can't see through the bs...

Apparently you didn't read this article.
https://www.BS.com/wilder-mana ... im--127564

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The BIG question is...

Did Team AJ send back a request to get a hard-copy of the contract, to review it, and also to be granted an extra 48 hours ( after said contract was delivered ), in order to go over it with a fine tooth comb ( what ever that expression means. ha ha )?

If no response was received from Team AJ, I ask this....

"WHY NOT?!?!?"

It's 50 million bucks, people!

Hearn set up a meeting with Haymon and Finkle for this Friday, specifically to discuss terms for this fight (it was actually set up before Deontay's 'offer'). If it's genuine, it will be discussed in the proper detail, at that time.

What we know so far:

• Al Haymon did not make the offer.

• Shelly Finkle did not make the offer.

• Lou DiBella did not make the offer.

• Nobody else with actual authority to issue a contract, or with access to funds to back said contract, made the offer.

• The 'offer' was sent, with an expiry date BEFORE an already arranged meeting between Hearn, Haymon, and Finkle.

So who DID make the offer?

Mr Deontay Wilder himself (with zero authority to offer any kind of deal, and zero access to funds to finance said deal), via a personal email sent to Eddie Hearn, Anthony Joshua, and Rob McCracken.

Zero details, zero authority, only 24 hours notice to accept or reject (despite a meeting already existing beyond that expiry)... That's it.

There's no WAY that 'offer' is genuine - if it is, it will leave Wilder taking home LESS than the $12.5m Hearn offered him. Wilder is spouting hot air, as usual. I suppose it classes as building interest in the fight, for anyone who can't see through the bs...

Apparently you didn't read this article.
https://www.BS.com/wilder-mana ... im--127564

I tend to steer clear of Boxing Scene most of the time. I suspect (obviously I don't know for certain) since it's surfaced well after the fact, that this is Finkle's attempt to mop up the mess caused by Wilder's whimsical email.

Anyway, to be clear, if we're to accept it as true, they're cancelling the pre-arranged meeting, unless Joshua accepts the deal first?

Who does that?

Also, if we're accepting a 3rd party quote of a supposed email as a genuine part of the negotiations, then surely Joshua's Twitter account should count too, right? He already sent a reply. He's happy with the 50mil.

'Not a publicity stunt', my hairy arse. Joshua's acceptance of the 50mil is in the public domain. Stop stalling, sit your backsides round a table, and get a proper deal sorted out... instead of, you know, reserving the Barclays Centre for a botched 'mandatory' against Breazeale.

[punchoutsb]

The BIG question is...

Did Team AJ send back a request to get a hard-copy of the contract, to review it, and also to be granted an extra 48 hours ( after said contract was delivered ), in order to go over it with a fine tooth comb ( what ever that expression means. ha ha )?

If no response was received from Team AJ, I ask this....

"WHY NOT?!?!?"

It's 50 million bucks, people!

Hearn set up a meeting with Haymon and Finkle for this Friday, specifically to discuss terms for this fight (it was actually set up before Deontay's 'offer'). If it's genuine, it will be discussed in the proper detail, at that time.

What we know so far:

• Al Haymon did not make the offer.

• Shelly Finkle did not make the offer.

• Lou DiBella did not make the offer.

• Nobody else with actual authority to issue a contract, or with access to funds to back said contract, made the offer.

• The 'offer' was sent, with an expiry date BEFORE an already arranged meeting between Hearn, Haymon, and Finkle.

So who DID make the offer?

Mr Deontay Wilder himself (with zero authority to offer any kind of deal, and zero access to funds to finance said deal), via a personal email sent to Eddie Hearn, Anthony Joshua, and Rob McCracken.

Zero details, zero authority, only 24 hours notice to accept or reject (despite a meeting already existing beyond that expiry)... That's it.

There's no WAY that 'offer' is genuine - if it is, it will leave Wilder taking home LESS than the $12.5m Hearn offered him. Wilder is spouting hot air, as usual. I suppose it classes as building interest in the fight, for anyone who can't see through the bs...

Apparently you didn't read this article.
https://www.BS.com/wilder-mana ... im--127564

I can't quite make out what this email means. It seems to say accept the offer and then we'll tell you the details of what you accepted. I think it's awesome they made this offer, but I don't like that they said there is no point meeting unless the offer is accepted. Why would anyone accept anything they don't have all the details on?

[Like a Boss]

This whole thing has been one big posturing exercise, and I include Hearn's earlier offer to Wilder in that.

Impossible to tell who really wants the fight and who doesn't. Perhaps both don't? Who would really know?

[punchoutsb]

This whole thing has been one big posturing exercise, and I include Hearn's earlier offer to Wilder in that.

I believe you are 100% correct.

[happyNY18]

This whole thing has been one big posturing exercise, and I include Hearn's earlier offer to Wilder in that.

I believe you are 100% correct.

That's how fights get hyped.

It's hard to be original i guess.

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Hearn set up a meeting with Haymon and Finkle for this Friday, specifically to discuss terms for this fight (it was actually set up before Deontay's 'offer'). If it's genuine, it will be discussed in the proper detail, at that time.

What we know so far:

• Al Haymon did not make the offer.

• Shelly Finkle did not make the offer.

• Lou DiBella did not make the offer.

• Nobody else with actual authority to issue a contract, or with access to funds to back said contract, made the offer.

• The 'offer' was sent, with an expiry date BEFORE an already arranged meeting between Hearn, Haymon, and Finkle.

So who DID make the offer?

Mr Deontay Wilder himself (with zero authority to offer any kind of deal, and zero access to funds to finance said deal), via a personal email sent to Eddie Hearn, Anthony Joshua, and Rob McCracken.

Zero details, zero authority, only 24 hours notice to accept or reject (despite a meeting already existing beyond that expiry)... That's it.

There's no WAY that 'offer' is genuine - if it is, it will leave Wilder taking home LESS than the $12.5m Hearn offered him. Wilder is spouting hot air, as usual. I suppose it classes as building interest in the fight, for anyone who can't see through the bs...

Apparently you didn't read this article.
https://www.BS.com/wilder-mana ... im--127564

I can't quite make out what this email means. It seems to say accept the offer and then we'll tell you the details of what you accepted. I think it's awesome they made this offer, but I don't like that they said there is no point meeting unless the offer is accepted. Why would anyone accept anything they don't have all the details on?

Yeah. Accept it first, or we're not sitting down to discuss it. It's really pathetic.

If they simply want Joshua to accept the monetary terms, with other details to be properly negotiated, he already did that.

The email makes no sense, unless it is just a publicity stunt, or a half-arsed attempt to make Wilder's mouthing off seem more legit to us on the outside.

"No, you're not having your meeting anymore (even though you did actually call our bluff and accept what we asked you to - we're just ignoring it and hoping people forget), but erm... we might have reserved a venue for a totally different fight that uncle Al asked the WBC to be our mandatory, even though the WBC previously said that guy wasn't our mandatory."

I don't know if I give a crap anymore. I might just pretend the heavyweights don't exist, and focus on fights that actually will happen this year, like Lomachenko vs Linares and Usyk vs Gassiev.

[Wales]

Two undefeated heavyweights with 59 knockouts in their 61 fights facing off in what’s undoubtedly the most talked about and eagerly anticipated fight currently out there.
It’ll do more than a million sales in the U.K. even if the fight is fought in america and has a 4am U.K. start time. I’m sure it’ll do good numbers in the US too

[Wales]

The same Steve Kim that after the Parker fight wrote that AJ and Wilder should meet and (quote from an article written by Kim)

“Joshua-Wilder would be a pay-per-view event and in the States, this particular revenue stream is the most robust”

[jamamb]

did he say it would do anything like 1m? thats what hes adressing

and americans smply dont care much about hw boxing. wilder already does all the right things but isnt ppv there and aj isnt anyone more known then ortiz there. low hundred thousands it might do on in the us

[Wales]

did he say it would do anything like 1m? thats what hes adressing

and americans smply dont care much about hw boxing. wilder already does all the right things but isnt ppv there and aj isnt anyone more known then ortiz there. low hundred thousands it might do on in the us

Surprises me that. I would’ve thought this would do a million in the US considering the marketability of the participants and what’s at stake .

Admittedly I don’t understand the landscape in the Us or full history on PPV sales

It’ll do 1m in the UK if it takes place in the US thus is shown at 4am in the U.K. will do over 1.5m if it was staged in the U.K. and took place at 22:00 U.K. time

[jamamb]

did he say it would do anything like 1m? thats what hes adressing

and americans smply dont care much about hw boxing. wilder already does all the right things but isnt ppv there and aj isnt anyone more known then ortiz there. low hundred thousands it might do on in the us

Surprises me that. I would’ve thought this would do a million in the US considering the marketability of the participants and what’s at stake .

Admittedly I don’t understand the landscape in the Us or full history on PPV sales

It’ll do 1m in the UK if it takes place in the US thus is shown at 4am in the U.K. will do over 1.5m if it was staged in the U.K. and took place at 22:00 U.K. time

wilder at his best barely reaches 1m on normal showtime (not ppv) and ajs pretty much unknown, scraping by with low numbers in the low hundred thousands. i just dont get how ppl think a guy whose a decent but still none ppv draw in the states vs a guy unknown in the us who hasnt even fought there is gonna = 1m buys no problem. wlad klitschko was as well known in the usa as wilder btw. he was regularly doing 1m+ on tv and his bro even did 2m+ for a fight (not vs lewis)

so much being said about the fight selling itself but imo its pretty big assumptions that suddenly americans will flock to hw boxing because of this fight. wilder is an american, 6'7, ktfos everyone, talks big, etc yet hes still never even managed a ppv, and joshua doesnt do good us numbers at all. both these guys are already ko artists, look the part etc. to me its very much a possibility that americans simply dont care as much about hw boxing these days even if the participants are like aj and wilder

ortiz is on the same level or even higher in the us then aj btw

[Wales]

Be interesting to see the figures once it’s all said and done.
The fight will undoubtedly happen. Eventually.

[jamamb]

it would do better in the us if aj had a fight there first, he hasnt even fought there and its hard to really make him a big deal there without him doing that first

realstically as much as we want it now from the perspective of maximizing returns it could use some more building. of course you run the risk of someone losing but i feel confident enough in each of them beating the other guys in the division