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Late sub Jaime Munguia butchered Sadam Ali, landing 47% of his power shots, scoring four knockdowns and getting the stoppage in the fourth. Ali landed just 30 total punches to 59 for the new champ Munguia.

Kellerman said at one point Munguia looked like a middleweight, Roy then said he looked like a light heavyweight.. in a few more rounds he would have been a cruiserweight lol

Ali took a beating. Munguia looked very good in this fight. Maybe he will be a comer in the upper divisions.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:20 Munguia vs Jarrett Hurd almost instantly became THE fight I'd want to see most in Boxing. What a war that would be.

Probably the most guaranteed fun fight in boxing right now. 2 undefeated champions, both can punch, both are big for the weight, both like a tear up. Sign me up.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 04:47

DA1 wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 23:33 SMH. If it was any other promoter, this fight would have never even happened. Ali got too overconfident going to the ring with someone significantly larger than him.

Unless you're Mexican or a "money" fighter, Golden Boy is not looking out for your interest. They're looking out for the Mexican. Ali played himself, and I feel SAD for the guy. But I'm mad at him too, something is off with him. His instagram is private!! He's rejected me half a dozen times. What professional fighter willingly tries to not grow his fanbase. Tells me something is off about his management and team. This fight was a total mismatch.

He would have had a better chance against Liam Smith. Only reason he didn't want to postpone that fight was because Ramadan starts this coming week and will last a month. He didn't want to waste a training camp I guess. But they chose the wrong guy for him.

Gotta give Ali credit. Every knockdown he bounced up. He was being stalked. But he also traded too.

Sadam Ali's dumbass needs to sign with Hearn. Nothing else would make sense. I can only see him doing Ali some sort of justice.

If you're on a promotion run by Mexicans, and you're fighting a Mexican, but you're not exactly a "money fighter" the red flags should be going off right there. Chances are you're just being set up...to lost to the Mexican!

DA1 wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 09:58
Sadam Ali's dumbass needs to sign with Hearn. Nothing else would make sense. I can only see him doing Ali some sort of justice.

If you're on a promotion run by Mexicans, and you're fighting a Mexican, but you're not exactly a "money fighter" the red flags should be going off right there. Chances are you're just being set up...to lost to the Mexican!

Would be a good idea.

Let's see Brook call out Munguia.

Even Spence thinks so..

But he did follow up with a "lol."

I don't see the setup angle although there's no question that GBP would prefer a Mexican star in the stable rather than Ali.

Down the road, Munguia may develop into huge box office. Ali never would.

But I don't think it's strictly symptomatic of Golden Boy to prefer a Mexican national champion.

Latinos fuel the sport of boxing in the US. They buy the bulk of the PPV'S and are the main eyeballs watching boxing on cable. And of course they greatly support Mexican stars with not only ratings but money.

I assume all other US based promoters would also love to be fortunate enough to groom a Mexican fighter and watch him develop into a Barrera, Marquez, Morales or Canelo-like attraction.

But as for the setup aspect, I don't recall Munguia being considered a sure thing to capture the title last night.

Oddsmakers originally posted Ali as a 2.5-1 favorite. In comparison, Liam Smith was pick 'em.

Most here felt that Munguia was green and hadn't fought anyone remotely approaching contender status, much less a champion.

So where's the setup? I'm sure that GBP felt that Munguia had a realistic shot at dethroning a somewhat suspect champion, but there was hardly a guarantee.

I'm sure that GBP wasn't smirking with the knowledge that Munguia was some sort of closeted superstar who would dismantle Ali with ease once unveiled.

Sadam Ali was offered an inexperienced, young, not yet developed fighter, and he was probably licking his chops at the thought.

But there are probably plenty 154 pounders who could have derailed the champion last night.

But the lightly regarded Munguia was just fortunate to be in the right place at the right time.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 15:00 But he did follow up with a "lol."

I don't see the setup angle although there's no question that GBP would prefer a Mexican star in the stable rather than Ali.

Down the road, Munguia may develop into huge box office. Ali never would.

But I don't think it's strictly symptomatic of Golden Boy to prefer a Mexican national champion.

Except everyone and their mother is calling it like it is.
Duh, of course Munguia would make more money for a GBP type promotion. You're questioning then answering yourself here. They would very much prefer a Mexican, even if it means bringing in one twice Ali's size to take the belt from him. If that Mexican champ at 168 actually was any good, they'd stick him in there with GGG too. But he's not, so he's fighting African cherrypicks with Arum.


He got str8t setup - Leonard Ellerbe



This sh-t all political, trust me, I won’t go reaching, guarantee he signed a contract before this fight. Done talking - Jermell Charlo

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 13:47 Even Spence thinks so..

Charlo, Ellerbe, Malignaggi and Traux too. I'm sure we can find dozens more posts if we go looking. People who actually watched the fight can see right through this facade.


Golden boy did Sadam Ali dirty... What a mismatch - Caleb Traux


They matched their own guy up with a dude that was twice his size on short notice... Ali should be heated - Caleb Traux



Yes, GBP wins either way. They prob benefit more from Munguia winning as he is a powerpunching 22yr old Mexican which makes him much easier to promote than Sadam. Promoters will always cover their asses b4 they cover the fighters ass. U can bet your bottom dollar on that. - Paulie Malignaggi

DA1 wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 15:41

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 13:47 Even Spence thinks so..

Charlo, Ellerbe, Malignaggi and Traux too. I'm sure we can find dozens more posts if we go looking. People who actually watched the fight can see right through this facade.


Golden boy did Sadam Ali dirty... What a mismatch - Caleb Traux


They matched their own guy up with a dude that was twice his size on short notice... Ali should be heated - Caleb Traux



Yes, GBP wins either way. They prob benefit more from Munguia winning as he is a powerpunching 22yr old Mexican which makes him much easier to promote than Sadam. Promoters will always cover their asses b4 they cover the fighters ass. U can bet your bottom dollar on that. - Paulie Malignaggi

I continue to laugh at all these tweets from the so-called experts.

I don't remember any of them warning PREFIGHT that Ali was being set up to lose and that it was a mismatch.

I'm sure they all knew that Munguia was a big-framed 154 pounder. I saw it on You Tube tapes of his fights. They had the same opportunity to watch him.

It's hypocrisy. The old hindsight is 20/20.

diddy wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 23:46 I just caught the end of this and was laughing at the size difference. Dude was 2 divisions bigger. LMAO. Whoever is in charge of Ali's career should be fired. That is NOT how you follow up the steam he picked up from the Cotto fight. HORRID matchmaking.

Damn straight. Happy for for Munguia but Ali's team was NOT looking out for him. This was a disgrace.

Munguia is a comer! Yes, the size differential was a factor, but I just loved how comfortable he is inside the ring. Great mix of punches; angles; and power. Can't wait to see him again! Especially against someone who trains for him. Only negative is conditioning as I felt there were times he looked like he was waiting for another gear. Hard to come up with negatives in this performance though.

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 17:01 Munguia is a comer! Yes, the size differential was a factor, but I just loved how comfortable he is inside the ring. Great mix of punches; angles; and power. Can't wait to see him again! Especially against someone who trains for him. Only negative is conditioning as I felt there were times he looked like he was waiting for another gear. Hard to come up with negatives in this performance though.

He was comfortable because he was in there with a natural welterweight. Good performance no doubt, but against someone like Jermell or Hurd, he will be a lot more cautious.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 17:31

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 17:01 Munguia is a comer! Yes, the size differential was a factor, but I just loved how comfortable he is inside the ring. Great mix of punches; angles; and power. Can't wait to see him again! Especially against someone who trains for him. Only negative is conditioning as I felt there were times he looked like he was waiting for another gear. Hard to come up with negatives in this performance though.

He was comfortable because he was in there with a natural welterweight. Good performance no doubt, but against someone like Jermell or Hurd, he will be a lot more cautious.

That stands to reason.

As far back as last November/December, the Russian fighter Magomed Kurbanov was rated #1 on WBO rankings.

After that he went magically to #7 or so a month later, and now not on there at all. How the hell does that work? He's currently rated #7 by the IBF and #8 by the WBA.

Kurbanov should be getting a WBO title shot by now. Feels like they kicked him off the rankings to make someone else happy. Like someone said, "get him outta here" and they did.

DA1 wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 17:59 As far back as last November/December, the Russian fighter Magomed Kurbanov was rated #1 on WBO rankings.

After that he went magically to #7 or so a month later, and now not on there at all. How the hell does that work? He's currently rated #7 by the IBF and #8 by the WBA.

Kurbanov should be getting a WBO title shot by now. Feels like they kicked him off the rankings to make someone else happy. Like someone said, "get him outta here" and they did.

You're right, he's no where to be found. Don't know much about him. Resume is ok, not great but ok. If he was as high as 1 or even 7, must be who he is fighting.


http://www.boxing.com/ranking

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 18:21

DA1 wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 17:59 As far back as last November/December, the Russian fighter Magomed Kurbanov was rated #1 on WBO rankings.

After that he went magically to #7 or so a month later, and now not on there at all. How the hell does that work? He's currently rated #7 by the IBF and #8 by the WBA.

Kurbanov should be getting a WBO title shot by now. Feels like they kicked him off the rankings to make someone else happy. Like someone said, "get him outta here" and they did.

You're right, he's no where to be found. Don't know much about him. Resume is ok, not great but ok. If he was as high as 1 or even 7, must be who he is fighting.


http://www.boxing.com/ranking

His promoters have probably missed their payments to the WBO ranking committee.

I assume that's how obscure fighters magically get elevated to #1.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 17:31

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 17:01 Munguia is a comer! Yes, the size differential was a factor, but I just loved how comfortable he is inside the ring. Great mix of punches; angles; and power. Can't wait to see him again! Especially against someone who trains for him. Only negative is conditioning as I felt there were times he looked like he was waiting for another gear. Hard to come up with negatives in this performance though.

He was comfortable because he was in there with a natural welterweight. Good performance no doubt, but against someone like Jermell or Hurd, he will be a lot more cautious.

And probably get outboxed by either one in the process. Nonetheless, Munguia is so raw that he has more room to grow as a fighter and I can see him being more competitive with those guys in a few years.

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 18:21
You're right, he's no where to be found. Don't know much about him. Resume is ok, not great but ok. If he was as high as 1 or even 7, must be who he is fighting.


http://www.boxing.com/ranking

Lol, what kinda website is that? They have Saul ALvarez listed as their WBO champ. And Ricky Burns has a belt?

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 18:44 His promoters have probably missed their payments to the WBO ranking committee.

I assume that's how obscure fighters magically get elevated to #1.

How often do you gotta do that? No way every fighter is paying to be ranked.
Kurbanov held WBO regional belts for 2 years (2016-17), don't see why stopping gets him kicked off like this.

I think Julian Williams should try to get himself the next title shot, if Liam Smith stays out on injury. He's 5 ft 11. So he's closest to Munguia's size than anyone else out there.

DA1 wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 20:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 18:21
You're right, he's no where to be found. Don't know much about him. Resume is ok, not great but ok. If he was as high as 1 or even 7, must be who he is fighting.


http://www.boxing.com/ranking

Lol, what kinda website is that? They have Saul ALvarez listed as their WBO champ. And Ricky Burns has a belt?

You said he was top 10 ranked and I went back and couldn't find him even then back then. When was he 1 or 7?

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 20:44
You said he was top 10 ranked and I went back and couldn't find him even then back then. When was he 1 or 7?

Magomed Kurbanov?

I'm looking at it right now: http://www.wboboxing.com/rankings

WBO - 2017 - [MONTH] - Jr. MW =
September= #1
October = #1
November = #2
December = #3

WBO - 2018 - [MONTH] - Jr. MW =
January = #2
February = Unranked
March = Unranked (Mungia shows up at #6)

They have Sadam Ali's country listed as PR (Puerto Rico) too.

You do know those guys hating are on Gaymon's stable, right? Honestly, I'm not even sure if they run their own Twitter feed. Everyone remembers when one of their fighters accidentally called out the wrong opponent a while back. IIRC, hard to remember, Danny Jacobs accidentally called out Robert Guerrero or something. Showed everyone that they're not running their own Twitter accounts.

By the way, Ali was fixing to fight Liam Smith. Then GBP had to find someone interesting to keep Ali as the main event. Only one that made any sense on a short notice was Munguia. Ali was the favorite going into the fight too. Wow, a champion had to fight a young up-and-comer who made weight and lost.

DA1 wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 21:21

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 20:44
You said he was top 10 ranked and I went back and couldn't find him even then back then. When was he 1 or 7?

Magomed Kurbanov?

I'm looking at it right now: http://www.wboboxing.com/rankings

WBO - 2017 - [MONTH] - Jr. MW =
September= #1
October = #1
November = #2
December = #3

WBO - 2018 - [MONTH] - Jr. MW =
January = #2
February = Unranked
March = Unranked (Mungia shows up at #6)

They have Sadam Ali's country listed as PR (Puerto Rico) too.

ESPN has pretty fair rankings. Comparably Speaking.

The announcers vastly overstated the importance of the size differential. It was probably 5-10 pounds tops. Munguia fought at 147 as recently as last year.

Hindsight is 20/20. Ali was a slight betting favorite so where were all these people calling mismatch before the fight?