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Stuarty wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 04:48

dirk2686 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 04:46

Stuarty wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 04:41

I was a massive Calzaghe fan myself mate. It took a lot for me to start liking Froch. Calzaghe would've whipped Froch but Froch has the better resume, even though he lost a couple of times.....

Froch could have had a similar winning run had he taken on the opposition Calzaghe did to be fair.

Yeah deffo mate..

Absolutely Froch's resume was better overall,just the Kessler loss made the difference for me.

He was mandatory for years while Hamed held that WBO belt. FW did everything he could to not make that fight, it may have come a bit too soon for JMM but would have been interesting.

He kept digging up these weird names to make the fights with, he had that PR dude Vasquez on his books for a while and showcased him on the UC of CAT/Nelson but he was a bit of a mis-fire and I think he binned him off. Saw it live, he didn't impress at all.

So weird to see the revisionist history in this thread. Hamed's record being praised? Boom Boom and Kelly were on the wane, this was well known going in, and that's why they were picked. Medina was handy but old. Marquez was avoided for years. After that, what do we have? Barrera was the long awaited legitimate Prince Naseem 50/50 live fight, and MAB gave him a proper pasting. To try and downplay the one-sided drubbing Hamed got is laughable. And promises of coming back to bash Barrera and Morales, unsurprisingly, went unfulfilled. Overall he was quite the talent but his career was typical of the 90s, home fighters with devalued belts boxing in their backyard against opponents with superficially impressive records.

For a name that hasn't yet been mentioned (I think), John Conteh's run versus Finnegan, Ahumada, Lopez and Hutchins was no walk in the park. And going over to the states to fight a prime 25 yr old monster like Saad Muhammad is more credible than going over to mug a 41 year old Jones and 43 year old Hopkins. Couldn't sit on a WBO belt for years waiting for the right guy to get old in those days.

Tommy Farr beat the likes of Tommy Loughran, Max Baer, Ben Foord, Bob Olin and Walter Neusel leading up to his crack at Joe Louis for the world heavyweight title in the States in 1937, going the full 15 rounds with the feared Brown Bomber.

Froch is the first on my mind but then we have lennox lewis who was champion for a good few year and to get a world title shot you have to be world class right? Also hatton and hamed,hamed beat every champion at his weight taking 3 of the titles but still beating the wba champ but wba didnt sanction it. Like i said at the start froch springs to mind and i think he has the best run against world class opponents

If AJ beats Povitkin, Wilder and then Miller- I think that beats Carl.
Wilder is the sticking point. Beating Povitkin and Miller would clean out the division. Then it's rematchs until Fury stops dicking about.

Manchester Massive wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 10:08 Mittee, Shufford, Curry, Bumphus, Blocker and Hatcher was as good if not better than anything of Froch's

Bumphus and Hatcher were cack though

Frochs run was good. But remember Groves wasn't really considered world class the at time they fought an he was big underdog.

Frochs was surely most entertaining winning streak though

Froch-Groves 1 was the last time I actually got the buzz in an arena. First six rounds, mayhem, last three Carl proving he was boss. Even the post fight interviews were great. Proper spine tingling night.

Yeah it was good, there was absolute silence for a split second as he got dropped then it went mental. My mate's wife managed to sleep all the way through it.

I think Ruiz/Haye, despite how much of a non fight it ended up being was probably the first of those Matchroom esque events where non boxing fans seemed to "get it", the atmosphere was pretty good.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:39 Froch-Groves 1 was the last time I actually got the buzz in an arena. First six rounds, mayhem, last three Carl proving he was boss. Even the post fight interviews were great. Proper spine tingling night.

It was Mickey,when Froch went down the place erupted,great night

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:52

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:39 Froch-Groves 1 was the last time I actually got the buzz in an arena. First six rounds, mayhem, last three Carl proving he was boss. Even the post fight interviews were great. Proper spine tingling night.

It was Mickey,when Froch went down the place erupted,great night

I erupted, amongst a load of Froch fans. No trouble. Watching it back later it was a hell of a shot. It was amazing he came back from that. Technically, top drawer, straight down the pipe.

If Danny Williams had beat Vitali he would have had a case. Tyson and Vitali would have been a nice duo of wins

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 05:08

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:52

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:39 Froch-Groves 1 was the last time I actually got the buzz in an arena. First six rounds, mayhem, last three Carl proving he was boss. Even the post fight interviews were great. Proper spine tingling night.

It was Mickey,when Froch went down the place erupted,great night

I erupted, amongst a load of Froch fans. No trouble.

I never felt any real 'edge' watching Froch in Nottingham. In fact I would say the several times I saw Froch at Nottingham arena were the most trouble-free nights I have had at the boxing. I don't recall any bother at Haye-Ruiz either.

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 06:56 So weird to see the revisionist history in this thread. Hamed's record being praised? Boom Boom and Kelly were on the wane, this was well known going in, and that's why they were picked. Medina was handy but old. Marquez was avoided for years. After that, what do we have? Barrera was the long awaited legitimate Prince Naseem 50/50 live fight, and MAB gave him a proper pasting. To try and downplay the one-sided drubbing Hamed got is laughable. And promises of coming back to bash Barrera and Morales, unsurprisingly, went unfulfilled. Overall he was quite the talent but his career was typical of the 90s, home fighters with devalued belts boxing in their backyard against opponents with superficially impressive records.

For a name that hasn't yet been mentioned (I think), John Conteh's run versus Finnegan, Ahumada, Lopez and Hutchins was no walk in the park. And going over to the states to fight a prime 25 yr old monster like Saad Muhammad is more credible than going over to mug a 41 year old Jones and 43 year old Hopkins. Couldn't sit on a WBO belt for years waiting for the right guy to get old in those days.

Woah, slow down. Kevin Kelley still had talent and earned his shot at Naz with an astonishing coMe from behind KO of the very difficult Derrick Gainer.

Jim Watt deserves a mention. He beat Howard Davis, Sean O'Grady and Charlie Nash in succession.

dr_devious wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 17:06

Manchester Massive wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 10:08 Mittee, Shufford, Curry, Bumphus, Blocker and Hatcher was as good if not better than anything of Froch's

Bumphus and Hatcher were cack though

Bumphus was 29-1 when he took on Honeyghan, a former light welter world chap coming off a win against Marlon Starling, he was a decent opponent

Autobarn wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 15:24

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 06:56 So weird to see the revisionist history in this thread. Hamed's record being praised? Boom Boom and Kelly were on the wane, this was well known going in, and that's why they were picked. Medina was handy but old. Marquez was avoided for years. After that, what do we have? Barrera was the long awaited legitimate Prince Naseem 50/50 live fight, and MAB gave him a proper pasting. To try and downplay the one-sided drubbing Hamed got is laughable. And promises of coming back to bash Barrera and Morales, unsurprisingly, went unfulfilled. Overall he was quite the talent but his career was typical of the 90s, home fighters with devalued belts boxing in their backyard against opponents with superficially impressive records.

For a name that hasn't yet been mentioned (I think), John Conteh's run versus Finnegan, Ahumada, Lopez and Hutchins was no walk in the park. And going over to the states to fight a prime 25 yr old monster like Saad Muhammad is more credible than going over to mug a 41 year old Jones and 43 year old Hopkins. Couldn't sit on a WBO belt for years waiting for the right guy to get old in those days.

Woah, slow down. Kevin Kelley still had talent and earned his shot at Naz with an astonishing coMe from behind KO of the very difficult Derrick Gainer.

Can you to find a contemporaneous write up that doesn't make reference to how vulnerable Kelly had been looking lately? The fight program doesn't count.

There's a reason why he had begun boxing for WBU titles, against 17-3 type fighters like 'Smoke' Gainer.

dr_devious wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 16:35 Lennox had several very good runs of world class wins punctuated by the losses to McCall and Rahman

Lennox had great resume, but as for runs - they were "interrupted" by the opponents like Phil Jackson, Michael Grant and Francois Botha, neither of whom was even remotedly close to the level of Pascal, Taylor or Dirrell.

I remember the build-up to Jackson, it was pathetic because they had just one 10 second clip of him dropping someone.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 05:33

dr_devious wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 16:35 Lennox had several very good runs of world class wins punctuated by the losses to McCall and Rahman

Lennox had great resume, but as for runs - they were "interrupted" by the opponents like Phil Jackson, Michael Grant and Francois Botha, neither of whom was even remotedly close to the level of Pascal, Taylor or Dirrell.

Not fair, the Michael Grant fight was by public demand. He was heir apparent in 2000. And Botha as a biding time fight is much better than that gay boxer Froch fought whose name I can't remember.

bennie wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 07:55 Tommy Farr beat the likes of Tommy Loughran, Max Baer, Ben Foord, Bob Olin and Walter Neusel leading up to his crack at Joe Louis for the world heavyweight title in the States in 1937, going the full 15 rounds with the feared Brown Bomber.

Good call, he also got robbed against Braddock straight after he fought Louis by all accounts.

Wa1nuts wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 04:24 Frochs run was good. But remember Groves wasn't really considered world class the at time they fought an he was big underdog.

Frochs was surely most entertaining winning streak though

Still, he had a very solid win over Olympic medalist and future IBF champ Degale and would go on to win a pro title.

Also Groves was young, unbeaten and full of beans - and he really went for it, landing consistently harder shots on Froch’s Head than anyone else. I’m convinced Froch suffered more in that fight than any of his other wars. It was a great fight, as well.

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 05:24

Autobarn wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 15:24

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 06:56 So weird to see the revisionist history in this thread. Hamed's record being praised? Boom Boom and Kelly were on the wane, this was well known going in, and that's why they were picked. Medina was handy but old. Marquez was avoided for years. After that, what do we have? Barrera was the long awaited legitimate Prince Naseem 50/50 live fight, and MAB gave him a proper pasting. To try and downplay the one-sided drubbing Hamed got is laughable. And promises of coming back to bash Barrera and Morales, unsurprisingly, went unfulfilled. Overall he was quite the talent but his career was typical of the 90s, home fighters with devalued belts boxing in their backyard against opponents with superficially impressive records.

For a name that hasn't yet been mentioned (I think), John Conteh's run versus Finnegan, Ahumada, Lopez and Hutchins was no walk in the park. And going over to the states to fight a prime 25 yr old monster like Saad Muhammad is more credible than going over to mug a 41 year old Jones and 43 year old Hopkins. Couldn't sit on a WBO belt for years waiting for the right guy to get old in those days.

Woah, slow down. Kevin Kelley still had talent and earned his shot at Naz with an astonishing coMe from behind KO of the very difficult Derrick Gainer.

Can you to find a contemporaneous write up that doesn't make reference to how vulnerable Kelly had been looking lately? The fight program doesn't count.

There's a reason why he had begun boxing for WBU titles, against 17-3 type fighters like 'Smoke' Gainer.

Kevin Kelley was in the featherweight top 10 when he faced Naz. Derrick Gainer was an incredibly difficult opponent. Kelley turned the fight around in spectacular fashion - on HBO’s great Boxing After Dark series - & he followed that fight of the year candidate, with another against Naz. KK was always vulnerable. Look at his great fightwith Troy Dorsey as a prospect. Or his world title triumph versus Goyo Vargas. All fights that he was within a pudendum’s hair of losing.

The defeat to Alejandro Gonzalez by stoppage was another remarkable battle against a good fighter that he had moments in. He would follow that disappointment with a thriller against Ricardo Rivera, where he had to come from behind to score a late KO of a fellow southpaw. His career was always in fits and starts, and he’d follow consecutive defeats to Naz, Gainer (in disappointing rematch) & Morales with a fine victory over future lightweight title holder Humberto Soto, yet another thriller.

Kelley was worthy. Of course, there’s no doubt that there was considerable handicapping in Naz’s fights, when Naz was at his peak of speed and athleticism, and taking on fighters who had slowed down ever so slightly, fighters who perhaps weren’t quicksilver to begin with.

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 06:56 So weird to see the revisionist history in this thread. Hamed's record being praised? Boom Boom and Kelly were on the wane, this was well known going in, and that's why they were picked. Medina was handy but old. Marquez was avoided for years. After that, what do we have? Barrera was the long awaited legitimate Prince Naseem 50/50 live fight, and MAB gave him a proper pasting. To try and downplay the one-sided drubbing Hamed got is laughable. And promises of coming back to bash Barrera and Morales, unsurprisingly, went unfulfilled. Overall he was quite the talent but his career was typical of the 90s, home fighters with devalued belts boxing in their backyard against opponents with superficially impressive records.

For a name that hasn't yet been mentioned (I think), John Conteh's run versus Finnegan, Ahumada, Lopez and Hutchins was no walk in the park. And going over to the states to fight a prime 25 yr old monster like Saad Muhammad is more credible than going over to mug a 41 year old Jones and 43 year old Hopkins. Couldn't sit on a WBO belt for years waiting for the right guy to get old in those days.

Conteh beat Lopez practically one handed as well.