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ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 20:29

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 09:52

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 09:49

Read his autobiography, his trainer dick saddler I think it was, used to force him to cut weight, because he believer it kept him meaner.

People embellish stories to make them more intriguing and to help sell books. However, the facts cannot be disputed.

George Foreman competed in 38 bouts from the start of his career in 1969 until his title winning effort against Joe Frazier in 1973, covering a 3½ year time period.

His mathematical average weight for those 38 bouts is precisely 217lbs, when he was competing (on average) every 34 days.

You seem to be a fairly intelligent guy... when you look at Foreman's resume... in terms of his weight and how often he fought between 1969 and 1973, are you seriously telling me that I'm wrong?

Now that I've addressed your issue over George Foreman, what about the other heavyweight fighters from yesteryear that I listed, which you refrained from commenting on?

Hang on.

Are you saying that we need to consider any heavyweight that you think might have made the current cruiserweight limit in the all time cruiserweight rankings even though they never fought at cruiserweight and there's no evidence they could have made that weight or would even have wanted to?

Ludicrous.

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 23:45

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 23:03 I didn't really notice anywhere where he said that ^

up the page a bit he kinda says something like it, bringing in guys like ali, foreman, tyson etc to compare ....see the quoted part below

but i dont think most ppl really are comparing usyk to guys that didnt fight at cruiser but might have been able to, i think ppl mainly compare him on an inter generational basis with guys who actually had cruiserweight careers and have a standing as cruisers

i mean the ops question was 'where does he place in the Cruiserweight all time rankings?'

Also, it’s highly likely that heavyweights from yesteryear, such as Mike Tyson, Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, would have all been physically capable of making the 200lbs cruiserweight limit, based on the fact that their day-of the-fight official weights were consistently around the 215lbs mark (during their physical primes).

So if people insist on comparing Oleksandr Usyk to fighters that could have made 200lbs, then these sort of guys cannot be ignored.

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 16:54 Actually I have to fess up it was me that pointed out that many of history's heavyweight champions fought at less than 200lbs, or even 190, and asked if they were elligible for consideration since the field as it stands (counting only those that campaigned at that weight under the label of cruiserweight) is looking a bit thin.

No need to tear me a new one. I was just trying to make the question (best CWT) a little less predictable.