Can't my "landsman" get any fights? Does no one want to fight him? He hasn't fought since April 2017!
Adamek has been a great fighter and champion, but he's been a pro boxer for almost twenty years now, and he's in his 40's. He's far more skillful than the big baby, but he'll be outweighed by eighty pounds and Miller is only 30, and the ref and judges, bought and paid for as always, will favor Miller too because the money boys are already building him up for a fight with Joshua or some other big name. Adamek will be a huge underdog. I'd be amazed if he won.
Someone above mentioned a fight between BB and another Polish guy, but didn't mention BB's friend, Kownacki. I think the Kow would destroy the Baby!
I mentioned Ugonoh to fight Miller i didnt mentioned Kownacki because this fight seems to be impossible to be ever made which is bad because Big Baby vs Babyface could be a fan friendly fight
Why impossible ? I have been impressed with baby face. He set the all time record for punches landed in a heavyweight round in the Szpilka fight. He throws them from all angles. Do you have any idea why boxrec has the mysterious annotation on his page, "banned indefinitely by the ny state athletic commission"?
I think its impossible just because they are friends. Kownacki once said hes not going to fight Miller, the latter said that he can fight only if there is a lot money put in the table
And these suspesion i have seen in a lot fighters profile they literally mean... Nothing and it isnt something to think about really
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
dagilechia wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 08:47
Adamek was wasted by Bloodworth, he switched him to more "American" style, before Adamek had a forward stance not with his shoulder pointed at his opponent (i dont know how to explain it in english) last time when Adamek fought well was vs Arreola he already wasnt with Gmitruk but was prepard by Shields for this fight. With Bloodworth he had rather a friendship rather than trainer fighter relation. Adamek lacks power but interesting thing is that he fights in orthodox stance but his stronger hand is the left one so in theory he should fight as a southpaw.
Thanks for sharing your local knowledge in this thread Daggie, it's been enlightening
Thanks for appreciation I always try to share my knowledge in topics about Polish fighters despite the obvious fact that i cant express in english at all. Local knowledge is something important, i remember when almost everyone here thought that Jacobs Sulecki is a big mismatch but i knew that Sulecki is there for win and he can do it
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 09 Aug 2018, 03:40
by dagilechia
I doubted before that there is such a big Miller's advantage (if any) in height and reach and looking at the pictures of Miller Adamek together i was right. Boxrec says that Miller got 6cm advantage in height and 7cm advantage in reach. And i noticed some time ago that especially American fighters have exaggerated measures on boxrec
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
e is 41 years old, past his prime time as an athlete, and there is no shortage of folks out there who think Tomasz Adamek shouldn’t be gloving up.
At 53-5, the Polish fighting fixture, who turned pro in 1999, won crowns at light heavyweight and jumped to cruiserweight in 2007, and won a title there as well. He didn’t stop there; the Pole in 2009 went to heavyweight, and has stayed there ever since. He called it quits, at the end of 2014 after a loss to Artur Szpilka, but changed his mind, as warriors oft do, and gloved up again the following fall.
Adamek, a right-handed banger, beat Prrzemyslaw Saleta, then dropped his next outing, to Eric Molina. He’s on a three fight win streak, and will be stepping up in class after downing Solomon Haumono, Fred Kassi and Joey Abell.
On October 6, in Chicago, Adamek is set to tangle with Jarrell “Big Baby” Miller, who is on the upper tier of active heavyweights, somewhere Adamek hasn’t been in many a moon.
So, all the well meaning folks, or maybe you think they are busy-bodies, are saying that this fight is a mismatch, that Adamek should not be participating. Promoter Dmitriy Salita, who handles Miller, talked to BS.com about the chatter surrounding the heavyweight faceoff, which takes place on the first DAZN card put together in America by Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom.
Adamek is not, for the record, being promoted by Main Events, previously his United State home-base in helping him find and hype fights.
Salita is working with Hearn on the Oct. 6 show and handles Miller, as well as Claressa Shields, and a mushrooming roster of talent, many of them Russian.
“Adamek is a two time world champion and has competed at a high level for a long time at heavyweight,” Salita said, when asked about the chatter that Adamek is in over his head.
“It takes a special kind of athlete to be able to do [what Adamek did]. He has wins over Andrew Golota, Chris Areolla, Eddie Chambers, lots of quality on that resume. He lost via a 10 round TKO to Vitali Klitschko for the WBC heavyweight world title. He is a quality guy, look at his resume at heavyweight…. so age is just a number and he is no one to take lightly! With that being said, I feel Jarrell is the best heavyweight in the world. So no matter if it’s Wilder or Joshua across the ring from him he is going to knock you out!”
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 09 Aug 2018, 11:57
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 15 Aug 2018, 06:54
by Ruthless-RKO
Hearn Reacts To Critics: Miller vs. Adamek is NO Mismatch!
I see it as (No. 7) in BoxRec (rankings) against No. 15 in the world." Hearn told Steven Muehlhausen of Sporting News.
"I don’t see how you can call it a gross mismatch. I see Miller as a big favorite. I see Miller kind of treading water right now in the division while he’s waiting for Joshua to fight Povetkin and Wilder to make up his mind on what he wants to do. Dillian Whyte’s just boxed. I was going to put him on this Oct. 6 show, always."
Hearn makes no secret that Adamek's name is certainly a tool to sell tickets in for the Wintrust Arena, with a very heavy Polish population in the area.
"We are coming to a city which hosts the (second) largest Polish population," Hearn explained.
"Tomasz Adamek is a legend of Polish sport and he’s coming off two good wins. I don’t see it as a mismatch. I see Jarrell as a huge favorite, but you’re not talking about a guy whose challenged for a world title and now works in a café."
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 15 Aug 2018, 07:05
by joshj909
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑15 Aug 2018, 06:54Hearn Reacts To Critics: Miller vs. Adamek is NO Mismatch!
I see it as (No. 7) in BoxRec (rankings) against No. 15 in the world." Hearn told Steven Muehlhausen of Sporting News.
"I don’t see how you can call it a gross mismatch. I see Miller as a big favorite. I see Miller kind of treading water right now in the division while he’s waiting for Joshua to fight Povetkin and Wilder to make up his mind on what he wants to do. Dillian Whyte’s just boxed. I was going to put him on this Oct. 6 show, always."
Hearn makes no secret that Adamek's name is certainly a tool to sell tickets in for the Wintrust Arena, with a very heavy Polish population in the area.
"We are coming to a city which hosts the (second) largest Polish population," Hearn explained.
"Tomasz Adamek is a legend of Polish sport and he’s coming off two good wins. I don’t see it as a mismatch. I see Jarrell as a huge favorite, but you’re not talking about a guy whose challenged for a world title and now works in a café."
He's right, however, and this is a big however, both him and Miller have been trying to imply he's up there with the Joshuas and Wilders of the division and deserves a title shot against one of them. A win against Wach doesn't put him at that level, a win against Duhaupas doesn't put him at that level, a win against Adamek won't put him at that level.
If Miller wants to be a contender, he has to prove that he's at that level, which this fight doesn't do. So, as a promoter you need to back your words or be ridiculed. I'm honestly perfectly fine with Miller fighting Adamek when compared to other matchmaking, but Miller cannot claim that he deserves a title shot of off it, because he doesn't, and nobody outside of Miller and Eddie's private text conversations believes that.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 15 Aug 2018, 08:41
by Lackeos
Miller is way better than Adamek, but there is still one way in which I see this fight mattering. Miller is a huge guy who can easily overpower opponents as long as he can cut them off and corner them. Miller often fights opponents like Washington and Duhaupas who aren't elusive at all. Adamek is a former cruiserweight who used constant movement to outpoint Arreola, who held an extraordinary power advantage over him. Adamek is among the best opponents who could stress Miller's ability to cut them off (although Malik Scott is better).
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 15 Aug 2018, 08:54
by dagilechia
The problem with Malik Scott is that he doesnt punch, Adamek does
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018?
Pukka Cheese wrote: ↑06 Aug 2018, 10:49
Can understand not wanting to go to Bulgaria to fight Pulev but to drop down to this......
poor.
Yeh. It's no offence to Adamek, but it's a huge step down from his last 2 fights.
It is a pretty good fight IMO. It would not surprise me if Adamek outworked him. The longer the fight goes the greater chance miller will tire.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018?
Posted: 15 Aug 2018, 12:13
by Ruthless-RKO
Lennox wrote: ↑15 Aug 2018, 11:49
It is a pretty good fight IMO. It would not surprise me if Adamek outworked him. The longer the fight goes the greater chance miller will tire.
This could happen. Why not. Miller did tire against Duhaupas. Adamak can easily use his movement.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 16 Aug 2018, 09:39
by jujigatame
Oh wow, the promoter says it's not a mismatch. Shocking.
To be fair, given the way boxing matchmaking works it isn't that egregious of a matchup. But the reasoning is disheartening. Miller's own promoter is effectively admitting he's just spinning his wheels waiting for a title shot. But what has he done to deserve a fight with AJ or Wilder? He's beaten no other serious contenders. Why should he not fight another top contender like Ortiz or Whyte before getting his shot? Fights like that NOT happening are why this sport really sucks sometimes.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018?
dagilechia wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 16:22
I mentioned Ugonoh to fight Miller i didnt mentioned Kownacki because this fight seems to be impossible to be ever made which is bad because Big Baby vs Babyface could be a fan friendly fight
Why impossible ? I have been impressed with baby face. He set the all time record for punches landed in a heavyweight round in the Szpilka fight. He throws them from all angles. Do you have any idea why boxrec has the mysterious annotation on his page, "banned indefinitely by the ny state athletic commission"?
I think its impossible just because they are friends. Kownacki once said hes not going to fight Miller, the latter said that he can fight only if there is a lot money put in the table
And these suspesion i have seen in a lot fighters profile they literally mean... Nothing and it isnt something to think about really
Friends quite commonly fight in boxing.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018?
Why impossible ? I have been impressed with baby face. He set the all time record for punches landed in a heavyweight round in the Szpilka fight. He throws them from all angles. Do you have any idea why boxrec has the mysterious annotation on his page, "banned indefinitely by the ny state athletic commission"?
I think its impossible just because they are friends. Kownacki once said hes not going to fight Miller, the latter said that he can fight only if there is a lot money put in the table
And these suspesion i have seen in a lot fighters profile they literally mean... Nothing and it isnt something to think about really
Friends quite commonly fight in boxing.
Yeah but in this case from what Kownacki says i conclude that it's impossible/very unlikely. However, i would like to see this fight of course
Kownacki doesnt want to comment on Miller Adamek fight
Kownacki Miller could be an entertaining fight, Miller seem to have better technical skills (not great though) and better defence, Kownacki seem to be a harder puncher and have quicker hands.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 16 Aug 2018, 19:08
by Lackeos
jujigatame wrote: ↑16 Aug 2018, 09:39
Oh wow, the promoter says it's not a mismatch. Shocking.
To be fair, given the way boxing matchmaking works it isn't that egregious of a matchup. But the reasoning is disheartening. Miller's own promoter is effectively admitting he's just spinning his wheels waiting for a title shot. But what has he done to deserve a fight with AJ or Wilder? He's beaten no other serious contenders. Why should he not fight another top contender like Ortiz or Whyte before getting his shot? Fights like that NOT happening are why this sport really sucks sometimes.
Adamek will become the fourth consecutive former title challenger on Miller's resume. I think it's fair to say that a fighter is a deserving, better than average contender if he's beaten four other contenders. He's universally considered top 10, which is clearly above the standard bar to earn a heavyweight title shot. I think demanding that he fight Ortiz or Whyte before challenging for a world title is overkill, unless you're trying to build a superfight; and frankly, you don't need Miller in order to concoct a superfight. There's already no consolidation between Joshua, Wilder, Fury, Povetkin, and Pulev -- none of them have fought any of them.
Whyte is another fighter who has already jumped through too many hoops now. He's beaten Chisora, Helenius, Browne, and Parker -- yet you suggest he continue earning his shot against Miller? Hell no, he's way past earned his shot. He already beat recent world titlist Parker and recent world titlist Browne. He should have like 1 or 2 belts around his waist already.
I think if you want Miller to earn his shot any further than he already has, it should be against someone a little bit more moderate. Someone like Breazeale, Kownacki, Martin, Hammer, Kabayel, Ruiz Jr, Hughie, Chisora, or Huck. On one hand, it's a good enough win (combined with the rest of his resume) to say for sure that he's a damned solid contender. On the other hand, it serves the purpose of knocking some other ambiguous semi-contender out of contention without crapping on the title shot of anyone who has already 100% earned it.
Lastly, why should Miller unnecessarily involve himself in a 50/50 fight against Whyte or Ortiz for $200k that could knock him out of contention for a $1.25 million shot at the champ? The nature of the 50/50 risk of losing his title shot is like losing $600k. Which means, in a real sense, he would be paying -$400k (plus taxes, travel expenses, sanctioning fees, and paying your corner men) to fight Whyte or Ortiz. No one should fight for negative money.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 16 Aug 2018, 19:13
by jamamb
lol adamek challenged for a title 7 ears ago and lost every round and got stopped, hes 42 this year and is hardly much of a contender, evwn ericmolina stopped him
please stop with this business of acting like someone having a name means there still legit
i dont mind miller getting a shot but adamek does 0 for his resume
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 16 Aug 2018, 19:14
by jamamb
miller though has done more then wilder and aj did before they got shots tbf, compared to pretty much all the guys they fought adamek even now isnt bad
really, miller is clearly one of the most deserving of a shot , there simply arent many contenders out there whove done more lately, maybe only whyte
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 16 Aug 2018, 19:37
by Mexi-Box
How the hell does Adamek keep getting these insane opportunities. You'd think he'd become irrelevant after getting stopped by a nobody like Molina. Hell, you'd think Molina's win over him would be nothing.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
jujigatame wrote: ↑16 Aug 2018, 09:39
Oh wow, the promoter says it's not a mismatch. Shocking.
To be fair, given the way boxing matchmaking works it isn't that egregious of a matchup. But the reasoning is disheartening. Miller's own promoter is effectively admitting he's just spinning his wheels waiting for a title shot. But what has he done to deserve a fight with AJ or Wilder? He's beaten no other serious contenders. Why should he not fight another top contender like Ortiz or Whyte before getting his shot? Fights like that NOT happening are why this sport really sucks sometimes.
Adamek will become the fourth consecutive former title challenger on Miller's resume. I think it's fair to say that a fighter is a deserving, better than average contender if he's beaten four other contenders. He's universally considered top 10, which is clearly above the standard bar to earn a heavyweight title shot. I think demanding that he fight Ortiz or Whyte before challenging for a world title is overkill, unless you're trying to build a superfight; and frankly, you don't need Miller in order to concoct a superfight. There's already no consolidation between Joshua, Wilder, Fury, Povetkin, and Pulev -- none of them have fought any of them.
Whyte is another fighter who has already jumped through too many hoops now. He's beaten Chisora, Helenius, Browne, and Parker -- yet you suggest he continue earning his shot against Miller? Hell no, he's way past earned his shot. He already beat recent world titlist Parker and recent world titlist Browne. He should have like 1 or 2 belts around his waist already.
I think if you want Miller to earn his shot any further than he already has, it should be against someone a little bit more moderate. Someone like Breazeale, Kownacki, Martin, Hammer, Kabayel, Ruiz Jr, Hughie, Chisora, or Huck. On one hand, it's a good enough win (combined with the rest of his resume) to say for sure that he's a damned solid contender. On the other hand, it serves the purpose of knocking some other ambiguous semi-contender out of contention without crapping on the title shot of anyone who has already 100% earned it.
Lastly, why should Miller unnecessarily involve himself in a 50/50 fight against Whyte or Ortiz for $200k that could knock him out of contention for a $1.25 million shot at the champ? The nature of the 50/50 risk of losing his title shot is like losing $600k. Which means, in a real sense, he would be paying -$400k (plus taxes, travel expenses, sanctioning fees, and paying your corner men) to fight Whyte or Ortiz. No one should fight for negative money.
"Former title challenger" is a completely meaningless distinction. Miller has never faced a top 10 opponent. His best opponent was Duhaupas, who is totally mediocre. AJ and Wilder should be fighting each other, not fringe contenders who "earn" their shot by managing to stay undefeated for a long period of time by facing solely B-listers. This is why the sport sucks, because there are too many titles, and title shots are not merit-based in any objective way.
I'm not saying it's smart financially for Miller to fight someone like Whyte or Ortiz. I'm saying the fact that it makes financial sense for him to avoid such a fight is why the sport sucks.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 03 Sep 2018, 12:14
by Ruthless-RKO
jujigatame wrote: ↑16 Aug 2018, 23:00
"Former title challenger" is a completely meaningless distinction. Miller has never faced a top 10 opponent. His best opponent was Duhaupas, who is totally mediocre. AJ and Wilder should be fighting each other, not fringe contenders who "earn" their shot by managing to stay undefeated for a long period of time by facing solely B-listers. This is why the sport sucks, because there are too many titles, and title shots are not merit-based in any objective way.
I'm not saying it's smart financially for Miller to fight someone like Whyte or Ortiz. I'm saying the fact that it makes financial sense for him to avoid such a fight is why the sport sucks.
With so many belts around, it's no wonder boxers avoid other boxers.
Now days a boxer rather win a vacant world title.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 13 Sep 2018, 14:53
by dagilechia
Adamek spars with Jennings and Stiverne
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 13 Sep 2018, 14:59
by gilgamesh
I'd like for Adamek to be able to perform well, but I'd honestly be surprised if he can even take more than 1 or 2 rounds, and that'll only be when Miller is taking rounds off because he had a few too many cheeseburgers.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 25 Sep 2018, 12:12
by Ruthless-RKO
gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 14:59
I'd like for Adamek to be able to perform well, but I'd honestly be surprised if he can even take more than 1 or 2 rounds, and that'll only be when Miller is taking rounds off because he had a few too many cheeseburgers.
Is Adamek a good mover, or will he try and box?
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 14:59
I'd like for Adamek to be able to perform well, but I'd honestly be surprised if he can even take more than 1 or 2 rounds, and that'll only be when Miller is taking rounds off because he had a few too many cheeseburgers.
Is Adamek a good mover, or will he try and box?
He was a decent mover at one point. He'll try to box as best he can. He'll be outgunned in almost every way. He might win a round or two when Miller takes a round off due to his being overweight, but Jarrell will control the fight every step of the way pretty much.
Might've been competitive once upon a time, but Adamek is past it.
Re: Jarrell Miller vs. Tomasz Adamek - October 6, 2018
Posted: 25 Sep 2018, 18:49
by Ruthless-RKO
Wonder how much the baby will weigh this bout. He dropped his weighy a little until the lst bout. Brought it up again.
