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jujigatame wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:28 He needs to drop about 20 pounds. He faded late against a very mediocre opponent. I do not see him beating someone like Whyte or Miller, let alone Joshua or Wilder.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:37 I thought Martin only won two rounds. I gave Martin the 3rd and the 12th. 11th was close, though. Kownacki looked like Kownacki. He's not a big puncher. He's an accumulation guy that takes as good as he gives.

He'll beat guys like Breazeale and Jennings. Ceiling is maybe beating an out-of-shape, care-free Parker, but I don't think he has a chance against any of the top guys. Kownacki vs. Miller is a very, very good fight, though. That should be made.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:40

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:37 I thought Martin only won two rounds. I gave Martin the 3rd and the 12th. 11th was close, though. Kownacki looked like Kownacki. He's not a big puncher. He's an accumulation guy that takes as good as he gives.

He'll beat guys like Breazeale and Jennings. Ceiling is maybe beating an out-of-shape, care-free Parker, but I don't think he has a chance against any of the top guys. Kownacki vs. Miller is a very, very good fight, though. That should be made.

Pretty amazing that Martin got the 11th and 12th round considering it was only a 10 round fight.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:40

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:37 I thought Martin only won two rounds. I gave Martin the 3rd and the 12th. 11th was close, though. Kownacki looked like Kownacki. He's not a big puncher. He's an accumulation guy that takes as good as he gives.

He'll beat guys like Breazeale and Jennings. Ceiling is maybe beating an out-of-shape, care-free Parker, but I don't think he has a chance against any of the top guys. Kownacki vs. Miller is a very, very good fight, though. That should be made.

Pretty amazing that Martin got the 11th and 12th round considering it was only a 10 round fight.

DrDuke wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:41

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:40

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:37 I thought Martin only won two rounds. I gave Martin the 3rd and the 12th. 11th was close, though. Kownacki looked like Kownacki. He's not a big puncher. He's an accumulation guy that takes as good as he gives.

He'll beat guys like Breazeale and Jennings. Ceiling is maybe beating an out-of-shape, care-free Parker, but I don't think he has a chance against any of the top guys. Kownacki vs. Miller is a very, very good fight, though. That should be made.

Pretty amazing that Martin got the 11th and 12th round considering it was only a 10 round fight.

jamamb wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 02:06 ya kownacki wins a tough battle but i feel it shows martin isnt totally poo. he may well at least be better then guys like szpilka and washington

tiny_acres wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 01:00

DrDuke wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:41

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 00:40

Pretty amazing that Martin got the 11th and 12th round considering it was only a 10 round fight.

Put down the cerveza

Lackeos wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 02:26 Solid fight. Seems to reveal both fighters as being around the #15-20 ballpark. I'd like to see them go on to fight Ruiz Jr, Huck, Hughie, Junlong, Wallin, Kean, Kuzmin, or Hrgovic.

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 03:11 I just watched the fight and I'm feeling really pleased by it:

I've said on here recently that I expected a Kownacki win due to his punch rate and stamina, that I didn't consider him in the top 10 but just outside (that might have moved him inside), but most of all that I hoped Charles Martin would repair the damage to his reputation.

I always felt Martin got caught cold by perfectly timed counters from a very fine heavyweight in Joshua who didn't deserve to have his stunning victory devalued by the barrage of criticism heaped on Martin.

Much more than that I hate to see any boxer, any person, unfairly maligned and I always thought Martin was not the unskilled dross, who just got lucky against Glazkov,.and proved to be a quitter against Joshua.

Don't mistake what I'm saying. .I accept that Martin is one of the weakest heavyweights to have won a world title belt, and I accept that his technical flaws as a boxer are manifold, but can we now at least acknowledge that the man showed real heart in the face of a sustained onslaught, from a big guy who doesn't stop throwing punches, coming forward, and trying to cripple your resolve?

I'm really pleased for him. He didn't get the win but he won back the respect of fair-minded people and that's the best I was expecting. Well done Adam you showed great stamina for someone who looks so out of shape. Lastly, much respect to the judges who all produced identical scorecards. How refreshing is that?

DrDuke wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 04:04

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 03:11 I just watched the fight and I'm feeling really pleased by it:

I've said on here recently that I expected a Kownacki win due to his punch rate and stamina, that I didn't consider him in the top 10 but just outside (that might have moved him inside), but most of all that I hoped Charles Martin would repair the damage to his reputation.

I always felt Martin got caught cold by perfectly timed counters from a very fine heavyweight in Joshua who didn't deserve to have his stunning victory devalued by the barrage of criticism heaped on Martin.

Much more than that I hate to see any boxer, any person, unfairly maligned and I always thought Martin was not the unskilled dross, who just got lucky against Glazkov,.and proved to be a quitter against Joshua.

Don't mistake what I'm saying. .I accept that Martin is one of the weakest heavyweights to have won a world title belt, and I accept that his technical flaws as a boxer are manifold, but can we now at least acknowledge that the man showed real heart in the face of a sustained onslaught, from a big guy who doesn't stop throwing punches, coming forward, and trying to cripple your resolve?

I'm really pleased for him. He didn't get the win but he won back the respect of fair-minded people and that's the best I was expecting. Well done Adam you showed great stamina for someone who looks so out of shape. Lastly, much respect to the judges who all produced identical scorecards. How refreshing is that?

I actually give Kownacki more credit for his heart, than stamina. Adam was tired after 6th and found enough guts to pull out a victory in the ending. A lot of people including myself thought prior to the fight, that Kownacki will have some difficulties early and then would take over, but he started fast and barely blown the fight closer to its end.

Kownacki's workrate is good for sure, but probably Adam overrated that aspect of him. He should have gradually increase the tempo, but he was too active early. He should be smarter in the future. In Martin fight he tried a quick start to break the opponent, which isn't very smart, cause Adam's punch isn't the hardest, he wins with the volume of them, so he should dose the shots in a proper way.

And Martin should be given credit too. He didn't perform anything special, anything of an ex-champ level, but he was able to take over for some time and provided solid counteraction overall. He has a lot of things to work on, he should use his size and jab better. Yeah, he's still a one of the worst champs, but he's not garbage for sure.

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 03:11 I just watched the fight and I'm feeling really pleased by it:

I've said on here recently that I expected a Kownacki win due to his punch rate and stamina, that I didn't consider him in the top 10 but just outside (that might have moved him inside), but most of all that I hoped Charles Martin would repair the damage to his reputation.

I always felt Martin got caught cold by perfectly timed counters from a very fine heavyweight in Joshua who didn't deserve to have his stunning victory devalued by the barrage of criticism heaped on Martin.

Much more than that I hate to see any boxer, any person, unfairly maligned and I always thought Martin was not the unskilled dross, who just got lucky against Glazkov,.and proved to be a quitter against Joshua.

Don't mistake what I'm saying. .I accept that Martin is one of the weakest heavyweights to have won a world title belt, and I accept that his technical flaws as a boxer are manifold, but can we now at least acknowledge that the man showed real heart in the face of a sustained onslaught, from a big guy who doesn't stop throwing punches, coming forward, and trying to cripple your resolve?

I'm really pleased for him. He didn't get the win but he won back the respect of fair-minded people and that's the best I was expecting. Well done Adam you showed great stamina for someone who looks so out of shape. Lastly, much respect to the judges who all produced identical scorecards. How refreshing is that?

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 12:11 @ Jujigatame (Is that a judo technique?) Breazeale isn't going to sit on his hands while waiting for the WBC to call the mandatory, he's already made it known he would like to fight Dillian Whyte. No doubt he's realized that like Parker, he can make more money fighting Whyte on UK PPV, than he'd get for a title fight against Wilder.

I like that fight. It makes sense all round or at least it would do if the WBC could be relied on to do the honourable thing and make Whyte their mandatory in the event he were to prevail against their present mandatory (Breazeale), but they'll probably give it to Ortiz now Wilder has shown he can beat him.

There's no point blaming Maurizio Sulaiman - He'll do whatever Haymon tells him to do like always.

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 03:11 I just watched the fight and I'm feeling really pleased by it:

I've said on here recently that I expected a Kownacki win due to his punch rate and stamina, that I didn't consider him in the top 10 but just outside (that might have moved him inside), but most of all that I hoped Charles Martin would repair the damage to his reputation.

I always felt Martin got caught cold by perfectly timed counters from a very fine heavyweight in Joshua who didn't deserve to have his stunning victory devalued by the barrage of criticism heaped on Martin.

Much more than that I hate to see any boxer, any person, unfairly maligned and I always thought Martin was not the unskilled dross, who just got lucky against Glazkov,.and proved to be a quitter against Joshua.

Don't mistake what I'm saying. .I accept that Martin is one of the weakest heavyweights to have won a world title belt, and I accept that his technical flaws as a boxer are manifold, but can we now at least acknowledge that the man showed real heart in the face of a sustained onslaught, from a big guy who doesn't stop throwing punches, coming forward, and trying to cripple your resolve?

I'm really pleased for him. He didn't get the win but he won back the respect of fair-minded people and that's the best I was expecting. Well done Adam you showed great stamina for someone who looks so out of shape. Lastly, much respect to the judges who all produced identical scorecards. How refreshing is that?