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Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 06 Sep 2018, 17:54
by jamamb
mercman wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 08:56
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 06:29
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 05:23
I suppose if the ‘right diet’ consists solely of Mexican beef, uncastrated boar, and protein shakes mixed by Kid Galahad’s brother, it may just be possible.
Look at the pictures of a prime heavyweights from a hundred years ago. Were they on PEDs?
You having a laugh Keith? They're much smaller, lighter and carrying far, far less muscle tissue than AJ.
lol ya, i mean, does keith really look at jack johnson and think his body was just like ajs
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 06 Sep 2018, 18:47
by Grilling Machine
Jeffries is maybe the best example of a big heavy from Johnson's era:
Historically, it's probably Carnera among naturals:
Related:
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 03:58
by dookus
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 06:25
by skanksta
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 05:28
dookus wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 04:16
Stuarty wrote: ↑05 Sep 2018, 14:09
One of my mates sent me a pic of Canelo in training now and in training for last GGG fight
I know these pics can be doctored and all different angles etc but it cracked me up!
Ooo share please! I was trying to find that as I'm thinking of putting some money on GGG this time
bro that 'ooo' is camp as fvck. just sayin'
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 07:45
by keithmoonhangover
mercman wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 08:56
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 06:29
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 05:23
I suppose if the ‘right diet’ consists solely of Mexican beef, uncastrated boar, and protein shakes mixed by Kid Galahad’s brother, it may just be possible.
Look at the pictures of a prime heavyweights from a hundred years ago. Were they on PEDs?
You having a laugh Keith? They're much smaller, lighter and carrying far, far less muscle tissue than AJ.
No jokes. Yes, they are smaller, but this was before sports science, dieticians, current training methods. Genetics plays a big part also.
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 09:11
by danconnollyeire
astradamus wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 12:17
Matters what you think is a PED.
I mean, a hamburger isn't a PED, somehow in some situations it's certainly Performance Enhancing.
I've seen a table full of pills that Tyson Fury is taking which shocked me,
I never took any pills and I look (far) more mucled then he does.
I'm confident he doesn't break the WADA rules, but AJ certainly takes all kind of unnatural protein shakes even in front of a camera, something I've never done either.
I have somehow eaten a lot of eggs, chicken, soda and other things that appearantly make you muscled. I already ate that a lot when I was still a child, I didn't have a clue that that was probably part of the reason I was so muscled compared to my classmates. And actually, even if I see some of them right now, I'm in much better shape as most of them while I never went to the gym for it.
asfdhkl you are the king
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 10:59
by Stuarty
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 09:11
astradamus wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 12:17
Matters what you think is a PED.
I mean, a hamburger isn't a PED, somehow in some situations it's certainly Performance Enhancing.
I've seen a table full of pills that Tyson Fury is taking which shocked me,
I never took any pills and I look (far) more mucled then he does.
I'm confident he doesn't break the WADA rules, but AJ certainly takes all kind of unnatural protein shakes even in front of a camera, something I've never done either.
I have somehow eaten a lot of eggs, chicken, soda and other things that appearantly make you muscled. I already ate that a lot when I was still a child, I didn't have a clue that that was probably part of the reason I was so muscled compared to my classmates. And actually, even if I see some of them right now, I'm in much better shape as most of them while I never went to the gym for it.
asfdhkl you are the king
Did you never hear his theory on how he could beat up every boxer outside the heavyweight division with ease! Dunno if he's mentally ill or trolling!
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 11:27
by whiskey
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 05:23
I suppose if the ‘right diet’ consists solely of Mexican beef, uncastrated boar, and protein shakes mixed by Kid Galahad’s brother, it may just be possible.
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 18:10
by BigRed
There's plenty of peds that can be taken and have been taken over the years that can't be tested for because the testers don't know what they are looking for, the balco scandal is a good example, they were producing Tetrahydrogestrinone, "the clear" which was never marketed for medical use so couldn't be tested for until someone ratted. We would be naive to think their aren't drugs out there that we/testers don't know about and can't test for. Sarms and gh molecules have massive potential. It's not cheating if it isn't on the ban list... Yet. Morally wrong yes but that's up to the fighter to live with.
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 19:10
by Oiky
Divvy if you think aj ain't messed with pens
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 02:10
by tobyh5
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 07:45
mercman wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 08:56
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 06:29
Look at the pictures of a prime heavyweights from a hundred years ago. Were they on PEDs?
You having a laugh Keith? They're much smaller, lighter and carrying far, far less muscle tissue than AJ.
No jokes. Yes, they are smaller, but this was before sports science, dieticians, current training methods. Genetics plays a big part also.
Great fighters but physique wise, pretty easy to achieve with a small amount of training and half decent nutrition mate. Not got much muscle at all, not quite sure what you think you are looking at tbh but suggests you do not work out at all
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 04:11
by Counter-puncher
tobyh5 wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 02:10
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 07:45
mercman wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 08:56
You having a laugh Keith? They're much smaller, lighter and carrying far, far less muscle tissue than AJ.
No jokes. Yes, they are smaller, but this was before sports science, dieticians, current training methods. Genetics plays a big part also.
Great fighters but physique wise, pretty easy to achieve with a small amount of training and half decent nutrition mate. Not got much muscle at all, not quite sure what you think you are looking at tbh but suggests you do not work out at all
bro do you even lift?
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 05:01
by tobyh5
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 04:11
tobyh5 wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 02:10
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 07:45
No jokes. Yes, they are smaller, but this was before sports science, dieticians, current training methods. Genetics plays a big part also.
Great fighters but physique wise, pretty easy to achieve with a small amount of training and half decent nutrition mate. Not got much muscle at all, not quite sure what you think you are looking at tbh but suggests you do not work out at all
bro do you even lift?
Hahaha I wanted to post a meme with that but was restrained
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 11:29
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
- No surprise to see the dereliction by the usual suspects here and CS who should know better, yet remain obstinately obtuse. AJ joining Manny and Canelo as the posterboys for PED use based upon such flimsy evidence that no US court would dare to legally convict them, and this cadre call themselves educated?
Unlike TUE 50-0, AJ and Manny never had any positive drug tests to my knowledge, nor needed a backdated TUE by the Travis Tygart/USADA and Vegas commish to disguise that in his biggest fight, HE was the FLAMING PED abuser! According to this bunch, it's perfectly OK to use BALCO Vic VADA vitamins designed to pass VADA testing, a seedy den empowered by a n'er do well alchemist engaged blatant public fraud.
Fools' Gold to Gold after a felony conviction. Sweet gig.
I take this personally because you could be accusing me of PED use, not to mention many here by admitted lifestyle choices would fail VADA/USADA drug screening. It always escapes those less manly than others of us that we actually produce our own testosterone as I have proven to my satisfaction with significant results in short 4-6 month stints of weight lifting 3x in my life. In my mid 50s I went on a 4 month tear and gained 13% of my body weight while retaining my same pant size to prove idiots on a baseball forum wrong. I've maintained that look ever since with light maintenance though my strength is down due to permanent injury.
And the mantra defaulting to "everyone is juiced" is on par with everyone being murderers. I mean, WOW, I could have never conceived of such a thing in my youth, yet here I be with PED Abusers and Murderers in the Mist?
Only in Boxing and Hollywood!
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 12:56
by dookus
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 11:29
- No surprise to see the dereliction by the usual suspects here and CS who should know better, yet remain obstinately obtuse. AJ joining Manny and Canelo as the posterboys for PED use based upon such flimsy evidence that no US court would dare to legally convict them, and this cadre call themselves educated?
Unlike TUE 50-0, AJ and Manny never had any positive drug tests to my knowledge, nor needed a backdated TUE by the Travis Tygart/USADA and Vegas commish to disguise that in his biggest fight, HE was the FLAMING PED abuser! According to this bunch, it's perfectly OK to use BALCO Vic VADA vitamins designed to pass VADA testing, a seedy den empowered by a n'er do well alchemist engaged blatant public fraud.
Fools' Gold to Gold after a felony conviction. Sweet gig.
I take this personally because you could be accusing me of PED use, not to mention many here by admitted lifestyle choices would fail VADA/USADA drug screening. It always escapes those less manly than others of us that we actually produce our own testosterone as I have proven to my satisfaction with significant results in short 4-6 month stints of weight lifting 3x in my life. In my mid 50s I went on a 4 month tear and gained 13% of my body weight while retaining my same pant size to prove idiots on a baseball forum wrong. I've maintained that look ever since with light maintenance though my strength is down due to permanent injury.
And the mantra defaulting to "everyone is juiced" is on par with everyone being murderers. I mean, WOW, I could have never conceived of such a thing in my youth, yet here I be with PED Abusers and Murderers in the Mist?
Only in Boxing and Hollywood!
what
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 13:12
by Wa1nuts
Some strange posts on this thread.
Does anybody on here have proof he's on the juice? Probably not
Are there things that suggest he is on the juice such as distended gut, extreme muscle mass gain in a short amount of time whilst doing a lot of cardio? Yes
Make your own mind up? I'm sure most top level athletes and sports people are on gear so I don't think it's that big a deal
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 13:33
by Boxerbeetle
Wa1nuts wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 13:12
Some strange posts on this thread.
Does anybody on here have proof he's on the juice? Probably not
Are there things that suggest he is on the juice such as distended gut, extreme muscle mass gain in a short amount of time whilst doing a lot of cardio? Yes
Make your own mind up? I'm sure most top level athletes and sports people are on gear so I don't think it's that big a deal
Yeah, it’s especially odd when people say things like “innocent until proven guilty” and “never failed a test”, cos we all know the litany of examples where athletes have 100% cheated but were never caught.
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 13:47
by handsofstone
dookus wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 12:56
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 11:29
- No surprise to see the dereliction by the usual suspects here and CS who should know better, yet remain obstinately obtuse. AJ joining Manny and Canelo as the posterboys for PED use based upon such flimsy evidence that no US court would dare to legally convict them, and this cadre call themselves educated?
Unlike TUE 50-0, AJ and Manny never had any positive drug tests to my knowledge, nor needed a backdated TUE by the Travis Tygart/USADA and Vegas commish to disguise that in his biggest fight, HE was the FLAMING PED abuser! According to this bunch, it's perfectly OK to use BALCO Vic VADA vitamins designed to pass VADA testing, a seedy den empowered by a n'er do well alchemist engaged blatant public fraud.
Fools' Gold to Gold after a felony conviction. Sweet gig.
I take this personally because you could be accusing me of PED use, not to mention many here by admitted lifestyle choices would fail VADA/USADA drug screening. It always escapes those less manly than others of us that we actually produce our own testosterone as I have proven to my satisfaction with significant results in short 4-6 month stints of weight lifting 3x in my life. In my mid 50s I went on a 4 month tear and gained 13% of my body weight while retaining my same pant size to prove idiots on a baseball forum wrong. I've maintained that look ever since with light maintenance though my strength is down due to permanent injury.
And the mantra defaulting to "everyone is juiced" is on par with everyone being murderers. I mean, WOW, I could have never conceived of such a thing in my youth, yet here I be with PED Abusers and Murderers in the Mist?
Only in Boxing and Hollywood!
what
Im no sure if he thinks Femi's clean or dirty
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 10 Sep 2018, 14:49
by Stuarty
astradamus wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 13:44
Stuarty wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 10:59
Did you never hear his theory on how he could beat up every boxer outside the heavyweight division with ease! Dunno if he's mentally ill or trolling!
Just call me Astradamus.
I've never said anything like that, you just make random stuff up, you're probably mentally ill/trolling/both.
Away and hump yer hand ya crackpot
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 10 Sep 2018, 15:02
by lillywhite14
They are all at it imo. Fury’s have already been busted and served a ban for juicing.
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 10 Sep 2018, 15:32
by Pugilist-specialist
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 11:29
In my mid 50s I went on a 4 month tear and gained 13% of my body weight while retaining my same pant size to prove idiots on a baseball forum wrong.
Did you use the Dr. Chorlton method to improve pant size?
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 10 Sep 2018, 18:10
by adamwillan
I don't understand how Fury (or the Fury's) dont get any negative press regarding their 2 year drug bans.
The fans don't seem to be bothered either. Why do some boxers get easier rides than others?
Is it because of the perceived level of advantage? With Tyson never having a muscle bound physique, are fans more likely to forget the past wrongs
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 03:42
by the_doctor
adamwillan wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 18:10
I don't understand how Fury (or the Fury's) dont get any negative press regarding their 2 year drug bans.
The fans don't seem to be bothered either. Why do some boxers get easier rides than others?
Is it because of the perceived level of advantage? With Tyson never having a muscle bound physique, are fans more likely to forget the past wrongs
With the general consensus that Jobsua is too muscled and wouldn't gas as easily if he was a bit lighter, it'd be doubly stupid for him to take illegal muscle-building supplements/drugs.
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 04:24
by danconnollyeire
astradamus wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 13:44
Stuarty wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 10:59
Did you never hear his theory on how he could beat up every boxer outside the heavyweight division with ease! Dunno if he's mentally ill or trolling!
Just call me Astradamus.
I've never said anything like that, you just make random stuff up, you're probably mentally ill/trolling/both.
asdfhll I'm in Amsterdam this month, we should hook up
Re: AJ and PEDs....?
Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 05:35
by banjo
I think loads of top sportsmen/women are on it, boxers, athletes, tennisers, F1 drivers, cyclists, footballers and so on.
Reminds me of an old Lee Evans joke "maybe we should have the Anabolic Games, the Triple Jump would a hop, skip and where the f*ck did he go!"
