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Can you spot the guy who is really a cruiser?

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50 Can you spot the guy who is really a cruiser?

Good point! It's totally obvious Povetkin doesn't belong in the heavyweight division TODAY. I don't understand why some are so stubborn to accept this simple fact.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 09:19

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50 Can you spot the guy who is really a cruiser?

Good point! It's totally obvious Povetkin doesn't belong in the heavyweight division TODAY. I don't understand why some are so stubborn to accept this simple fact.

He's a 220- 230 pound man.
That is the fuggin definition of heavyweight

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 09:19

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50 Can you spot the guy who is really a cruiser?

Good point! It's totally obvious Povetkin doesn't belong in the heavyweight division TODAY. I don't understand why some are so stubborn to accept this simple fact.

Oh crap I accidentally agreed with Fernando... Will I ever live this down

IDK, a prime tyson would make many
super heavies look silly.

man wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 11:02 IDK, a prime tyson would make many
super heavies look silly.

Yes ! Holyfield, too.............

ValMar wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 11:44

man wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 11:02 IDK, a prime tyson would make many
super heavies look silly.

Yes ! Holyfield, too.............

And Mavrović............

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 10:35

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 09:19

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50 Can you spot the guy who is really a cruiser?

Good point! It's totally obvious Povetkin doesn't belong in the heavyweight division TODAY. I don't understand why some are so stubborn to accept this simple fact.

Oh crap I accidentally agreed with Fernando... Will I ever live this down

Ha ha - but Pov looks like a little welterweight in that photo! Either those guys are all giants or the angle of the photo is askew!

ValMar wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 11:45

ValMar wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 11:44

man wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 11:02 IDK, a prime tyson would make many
super heavies look silly.

Yes ! Holyfield, too.............

And Mavrović............

As I said before, I think Mav could have beat Lewis if he wasn't so much smaller. Yet another case of a heavyweight fighting someone who should be in a different weight class, a super heavyweight.

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:47

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 14:53

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 01:03

You are still missing the point here. a boxer who weights 220 when very fit is pretty much the perfect size for cruiser. Boxer who weights between 195 - 205 is the one who has a problem. If he fights at cruiser hes going to have 15-20 pounds of size disadvantage in the ring. He is the one who needs to either trim down to fit in lightheavy or bulk up with muscles to make up for the size disadvantage.

That doesn't even make sense to me. Cruiser is up to 200, not 220. It used to be up to 190, and for many years before that it was just 175 and up is heavyweight. When i was boxing i felt my perfect weight was 210. I'm 6', 6'1" on a good day. Luckily i never ran into any super sized heavies like the Klitschkos. Extremely athletic giants like that are really quite rare. How often do you see them on the street? But you'd think they were pretty common if you just looked at the top ranks of heavyweight boxing, and that's because giants like that have come to dominate the division. Someone my size would have a huge size handicap to overcome, a handicap that ONLY applies to someone around my size. Look at how they were saying that Povetkin is too small, and hes 230! The whole weight division setup in boxing is antiquated, illogical, inconsistent, and unfair.

If your perfect fighting weight was 210 then you would be close to the perfect weight for cruiser. Just add about 5 pound of muscle mass and cut 15 pound of water to make it trough the weight in day before. Then rehydrate back to 215 for the fight.

Povetkin would need to drop 10-15 pounds of weight. He probably has enough fat to drop that anyway. If not he would need to do less weight training and more cardio like jogging for example to drop the muscle mass by just few pounds.

Povetkin is too small HW because he is actually cruiser weight by size.

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:47

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 14:53

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 01:03

You are still missing the point here. a boxer who weights 220 when very fit is pretty much the perfect size for cruiser. Boxer who weights between 195 - 205 is the one who has a problem. If he fights at cruiser hes going to have 15-20 pounds of size disadvantage in the ring. He is the one who needs to either trim down to fit in lightheavy or bulk up with muscles to make up for the size disadvantage.

That doesn't even make sense to me. Cruiser is up to 200, not 220. It used to be up to 190, and for many years before that it was just 175 and up is heavyweight. When i was boxing i felt my perfect weight was 210. I'm 6', 6'1" on a good day. Luckily i never ran into any super sized heavies like the Klitschkos. Extremely athletic giants like that are really quite rare. How often do you see them on the street? But you'd think they were pretty common if you just looked at the top ranks of heavyweight boxing, and that's because giants like that have come to dominate the division. Someone my size would have a huge size handicap to overcome, a handicap that ONLY applies to someone around my size. Look at how they were saying that Povetkin is too small, and hes 230! The whole weight division setup in boxing is antiquated, illogical, inconsistent, and unfair.

If your perfect fighting weight was 210 then you would be close to the perfect weight for cruiser. Just add about 5 pound of muscle mass and cut 15 pound of water to make it trough the weight in day before. Then rehydrate back to 215 for the fight.

Povetkin would need to drop 10-15 pounds of weight. He probably has enough fat to drop that anyway. If not he would need to do less weight training and more cardio like jogging for example to drop the muscle mass by just few pounds.

Povetkin is too small HW because he is actually cruiser weight by size.

Povetkin has no excess fat. He is a normal athletic man as men appeared before the doping began. People are now so used to seeing the cut up steroid look that they think a normal old fashioned athlete looks fat. Look at the old time boxers and even bodybuilders and you will see what normal athletes looked like. Ironic that they tried to pin the drug label on the one man who doesn't use them!

I could have never lost like 10 or 15 pounds like overnight! That's crazy. Also that's the beauty of being a heavyweight, you don't have to worry about making weight like a jockey or something (if you think boxers are bad read about those guys!). As for bulking up, that I did in later years, 250. I was scary looking whatever that's worth - and it is worth something in my line of work - but in retrospect it was not a good plan healthwise. Duh.

welterweight! Those guys were his sparringpartners in prep for joshua, all of em at least 6'5". Povetkin is athletically build 6'2"and 225 pounds! Welterweight is 147! Where is the joke if it was one, ffs! What mr8mets said: deluded fanboys of roided out veiny dick-physiques living in bodybuilder gay-fantasyland.

Whaz your line of work muromets? Mob bully? Post a picture of your scary looking 250 body.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 14:53

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:47

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 14:53



That doesn't even make sense to me. Cruiser is up to 200, not 220. It used to be up to 190, and for many years before that it was just 175 and up is heavyweight. When i was boxing i felt my perfect weight was 210. I'm 6', 6'1" on a good day. Luckily i never ran into any super sized heavies like the Klitschkos. Extremely athletic giants like that are really quite rare. How often do you see them on the street? But you'd think they were pretty common if you just looked at the top ranks of heavyweight boxing, and that's because giants like that have come to dominate the division. Someone my size would have a huge size handicap to overcome, a handicap that ONLY applies to someone around my size. Look at how they were saying that Povetkin is too small, and hes 230! The whole weight division setup in boxing is antiquated, illogical, inconsistent, and unfair.

If your perfect fighting weight was 210 then you would be close to the perfect weight for cruiser. Just add about 5 pound of muscle mass and cut 15 pound of water to make it trough the weight in day before. Then rehydrate back to 215 for the fight.

Povetkin would need to drop 10-15 pounds of weight. He probably has enough fat to drop that anyway. If not he would need to do less weight training and more cardio like jogging for example to drop the muscle mass by just few pounds.

Povetkin is too small HW because he is actually cruiser weight by size.

Povetkin has no excess fat. He is a normal athletic man as men appeared before the doping began. People are now so used to seeing the cut up steroid look that they think a normal old fashioned athlete looks fat. Look at the old time boxers and even bodybuilders and you will see what normal athletes looked like. Ironic that they tried to pin the drug label on the one man who doesn't use them!

I could have never lost like 10 or 15 pounds like overnight! That's crazy. Also that's the beauty of being a heavyweight, you don't have to worry about making weight like a jockey or something (PS if you think boxers are bad read about those guys!). As for bulking up, that I did in later years, 250. I was scary looking whatever that's worth - and it is worth something in my line of work - but in retrospect it was not a good plan healthwise. Duh.

I think that Povetkin was in great shape against Joshua.

He weighted 222 for that fight.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 14:43

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 10:35

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 09:19

Good point! It's totally obvious Povetkin doesn't belong in the heavyweight division TODAY. I don't understand why some are so stubborn to accept this simple fact.

Oh crap I accidentally agreed with Fernando... Will I ever live this down

Ha ha - but Pov looks like a little welterweight in that photo! Either those guys are all giants or the angle of the photo is askew!

I think it is bit both. Povetkin is standing behind the other guys. and the guys are giants too

I decided to try to clarify my point about Povetkins weight and the divisions bit more. In a way this i also my answer to the question should there be more weight classes at the high end of weight spectrum in boxing.

In today's boxing the best weight class for someone who has the size of Povetkin is cruiser weight. Some guys of that size like Povetkin for example are good enough to fight in higher weight class than what their actual size is.

Povetkin has done really well in HW. I still rank him as number 2 in the division. It will be so until someone overtakes him on merit or he looses to someone below him in the ranking.

Fit Povetkin weights just bit over 220 pounds. He was 222 for the Joshua fight. Hes just few pounds over the weight where he could cut water to make the cruiser weight limit.

To give you better idea of the size of current cruisers here are weights for some of the guys who moved up from cruiser to fight at HW. The weight stated is the official fight weight in the first HW fight after moving up there. I tried to get quite recent examples... (Note that some of the guys mentioned went up to HW for only one fight)

Michael Hunter 227
Lago Kiladze 222
David Haye 215
Jean Marc Mormeck 216
Marco Huck 220
Mairis Briedis 214

Then some examples of boxers doing it the other way around. Boxers who wen't down from HW to cruiser. Weight stated is the weight from last fight at HW...

Mike Perez 240½
Juho Haapoja 228½
Eddie Chambers 202

Hmm it is actually kind of hard to find examples of guys moving down...

Anyways the point is guys weighing in the 215-225 range should be fighting at cruiser and there is no need for more weight classes

astradamus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 13:52 I think he will be indeed, no cruiserweight out there even managed to come remotely close near his level and probably won't be any time soon. He was very dominating in his amateur carreer, even guys like Ortiz didn't even join the olympics at all, while Povetkin easely became the champion of the world at the time.

afdfjdkl chatting shit3 once again

ValMar wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:14

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:04
Which heavyweights do you currently consider as being "small"?

None at the moment, but the question wasn't worded as "Now" the question was worded as "Ever"...Forever is a long time, and I do believe Usyk will be able to defeat some of the top Heavies going. Not sure if he'd fare well against Joshua, but I think he could beat the likes of Wilder and possibly Fury. I'd confidently pick him to beat Povetkin.

I am convinced that Usyk is capable to defeat all current top HWs. The only exception is Fury. Period.

lol

astradamus wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018, 09:18

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018, 06:34

astradamus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 13:52 I think he will be indeed, no cruiserweight out there even managed to come remotely close near his level and probably won't be any time soon. He was very dominating in his amateur carreer, even guys like Ortiz didn't even join the olympics at all, while Povetkin easely became the champion of the world at the time.

afdfjdkl chatting shit3 once again

Nobody talks shit, these are just the facts, Roberto Cammarelle (who later became olympic champion as well, and won olympic Silver on top of both his bronze and gold as well) was defeated by 31-19, the final was even stopped beforehand (in an amateur fight!).
So yea, Povetkin easely became the champion of the world, which isn't that odd, he was already the champion of the world and European champion (several times) as well.

There's no such thing as an amatuer champion of the world you ejit. You can be the professional champion of the world by wearing a belt. Winning the world championship is just winning a medal

tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 09:42

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 09:19

Heretic wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 03:50 Can you spot the guy who is really a cruiser?

Good point! It's totally obvious Povetkin doesn't belong in the heavyweight division TODAY. I don't understand why some are so stubborn to accept this simple fact.

He's a 220- 230 pound man.
That is the fuggin definition of heavyweight

There is EVIDENTLY a SIGNIFICANT difference between a lean / ripped 220 - 230 pound man, with no extra / unnecessary body weight / fat, compared to a 220 - 230 pound man who carries over 20 pounds of extra / unnecessary body fat / weight.

Povetkin happens to be part of the latter category!

Someone who is naturally a cruiser weight / light heavyweight, and carries over 20 pounds of body fat, doesn't automatically become a natural heavyweight. Which is the case with Povetkin here!

If we ignore non-functional, extra and unnecessary body weight / fat of Povetkin and just go by his functional weight. Then functionally speaking, he weighs no more than what a cruiser weight weighs. And he may even be able to make the light heavyweight division too.

Even Oleksandr Usyk is bigger in size than Alexander Povetkin for goodness sake! And Usyk is currently a cruiser weight as we discuss.

Human height and size have fluctuated up and down through history, the trend being up.
This seems to be true for all races.

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-humans-ev ... -be-taller

According to various data even most current middleweights would have been seen as giants if they had fought in the coliseum during Roman times.

Apparently caesarean section birth rates have also increased dramatically around the world. 50% in Turkey! So the old limiter on human intelligence (head size v birth canal) may no longer be applicable either! Of course there is no such limit upon human stupidity. There never was.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccar ... fographic/

It still doesn't mean we won't see another world champion under 6'4 but their chances are decreasing. Recent heavyweights like Wilder and Joshua are a far cry in speed and athleticism from slower moving giants like Valuev.

The big question is at what point does size become a disadvantage?

Jesus, another brain numbing thread of stupidity.

tobyh5 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018, 15:37 Jesus, another brain numbing thread of stupidity.

Stick around there are 1,000 worst topics

adislav123 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 14:59 Whaz your line of work muromets? Mob bully? Post a picture of your scary looking 250 body.

Certainly not! And I actually did post a picture of scary looking little me on here once, but I quickly took it down upon the advice of the consiglieri ha ha!