astradamus wrote: ↑03 Oct 2018, 09:29
This is what I make of the lineal champion list:
John L. Sullivan (38-1-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10547 1892-09-07
Was considered to be the first champion of the world as far as I know, who lost it to:
James J. Corbett (11-4-3)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9021 1897-03-17
Bob Fitzsimmons (61-8-4)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10552 1899-06-09
James J. Jeffries (19-1-2)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9022 (retired at 1904-08-26 for 6 years and at 1910-07-04 fought:)
Jack Johnson (56-11-8)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/1187
Jess Willard (22-5-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10602 1915-04-05
Jack Dempsey (54-6-9)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9009 1926-09-23
Gene Tunney (65-1-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9046 (retired without losing at 1928-07-26 so title go's back to:)
Jack Dempsey (54-6-9)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9009 1926-09-23
Who lost it for a second time to Gene Dempsey, so once again back to:
Jack Dempsey (54-6-9)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9009 1926-09-23
Who never lost against anyone else ever either.
So back to
Jess Willard (22-5-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10602 1915-04-05
That's 11 years back in time (and that's how flaws start happening).
At 1919-07-04 he lost to Jack Dempsey as well, but that fight will be ignored then as well.
Luis Angel Firpo (31-4-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10607 1923-07-12
Also he lost it against Jack Dempsey at 1923-09-14 so we go back even further then 1915-04-05 to see where the line can continue.
At 1926-05-30 Jack Johnson (who won his title from James J. Jeffries in 1910-07-04) eventually lost his titles, without anyone ever realising it against most likely unknown journeymen at the time:
Bob Lawson (55-32-6)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/11662
Battling Gahee (19-27-5)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/39882 won it a month later and lost it another month later
Red Uhlan (40-31-19)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/35825 1926-08-11
Fred Lenhart (101-22-13)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/34997 1926-10-28 in just his twelfth fight and coming from a loss won the lineal champion title still without anyone realising.
Harry Dillon (36-33-4)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/75705 1927-07-19 in a bout called the Pacific Coast Light Heavyweight Title was the unofficial heavyweight lineal champion of the world
Tiger Flowers (118-15-8)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/11336 1927-08-10
3 months, but 6 wins later, he would die at 16 November 1927 from complications following eye surgery. Just like Gene Tunney and Rocky Marciano,
Tiger Flowers died while beïng the lineal heavyweight champion with a weight of only 167 pounds. So back to:
Harry Dillon (36-33-4)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/75705 1927-07-19
Young Stribling (224-13-14)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/12052 1927-11-04 Now this was a serious heavyweight again, but officially lost on points on 1929-02-27
Jack Sharkey (37-13-3)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10616 1930-06-12
Max Schmeling (56-10-4)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9041 1932-06-21 lost it back to Jack Sharkey, but "As a result of the controversial decision of this bout, the NYSAC barred any but "boxing experts" (sports writers, referees, judges) from broadcasting descriptions of future matches. "
Jack Sharkey (37-13-3)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10616
Primo Carnera (88-14-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/12086 1933-06-29
Max Baer (66-13-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/12077 1934-06-14
Jim Braddock (47-24-4)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/12072 1935-06-13
Joe Louis (66-3-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9027 1937-06-22 despite arguably losing a few times, never officially lost till after he claimed he retired, but came back and finally officially lost at:)
Ezzard Charles (95-25-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9012 1950-09-27
Jersey Joe Walcott (51-18-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/11028 1951-05-30
Rocky Marciano (49-0-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9032 1952-09-23 Never lost it, so back to Jersey Joe Walcott 1951-05-30
Jersey Joe Walcott (51-18-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/11028 1951-05-30 Never lost it either, so back to Ezzard Charles 1950-09-27
Ezzard Charles (95-25-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9012 1950-09-27
Rex Layne (50-17-3)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10351 1952-08-08
Roland LaStarza (57-9-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/12212 1953-02-13 lost it to Rocky Marciano, later lost it to Don Cockell 1954-03-30
Don Cockell (66-14-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/12221 1954-03-30 also lost it to Rocky Marciano, later lost it to Nino Vales 1955-09-13
Nino Valdes (48-18-3)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10360 1955-09-13 Lost it to Bob Baker 1955-12-07
Bob Baker (51-16-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/12475 1955-12-07 Lost is to Tommy Jackson 1956-02-03
Tommy Jackson (34-9-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/10367 1956-06-08
Floyd Patterson (55-8-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9038 1959-06-26
Ingemar Johansson (26-2-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/12711 1960-06-20 lost it back to
Floyd Patterson (55-8-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9038 1962-09-25
Sonny Liston (50-4-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9031 1964-02-25
Muhammad Ali (56-5-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/180 "Due to legal troubles, Ali would not fight for the next three years.", "He officially retired on 1970-02-01 to allow the winner of the upcoming Joe Frazier-Jimmy Ellis unification bout to be considered the undisputed champion" (Joe Frazier won that bout), a short time later Joe Frazier won from Muhammad Ali as well 1971-03-08
Joe Frazier (32-4-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/147 1973-01-22
George Foreman (76-5-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/90 1974-10-30 Muhammad Ali won it back again
Muhammad Ali (56-5-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/180 1978-02-15
Leon Spinks (26-17-3)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/262 1978-09-15 Back to Muhammad Ali
Muhammad Ali (56-5-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/180 1980-10-02
Larry Holmes (69-6-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/150 1985-09-21
Michael Spinks (31-1-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/1286 1988-06-27
Mike Tyson (50-6-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/474 1990-02-11
James Douglas (37-6-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/584 1990-10-25
Evander Holyfield (44-10-2)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/499 1992-11-13
Riddick Bowe (43-1-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/1640 1993-11-06
Evander Holyfield (44-10-2)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/499 1994-04-22
Michael Moorer (52-4-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/1137 1994-11-05 Lost it to George Foreman. Yes, that George Foreman who won it earlier from Joe Frazier and lost it to Muhammad Ali back then.
George Foreman (76-5-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/90 1997-11-22
Shannon Briggs (60-6-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/4629 1998-03-28
Lennox Lewis (41-2-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/1853 2001-04-22
Hasim Rahman (50-9-2)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/6070 2001-11-17
Lennox Lewis (41-2-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/1853 never (officially) lost again, so back to Hashim Rahman
Hasim Rahman (50-9-2)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/6070 2001-11-17
Evander Holyfield (44-10-2)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/499 2002-06-11
Chris Byrd (41-5-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/4923 2002-12-14
Wladimir Klitschko (64-5-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/7035 2006-04-22
Tyson Fury (27-0-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/479205 2015-11-28
Seemed to have retired, so back to Wladimir Klitschko
Wladimir Klitschko (64-5-0) http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/7035 2006-04-22
Anthony Joshua (22-0-0) http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/659461 2017-04-29
And now all of a sudden Fury is back again, so he's calling himself the lineal champion again, just like Lennox Lewis still could do as well and then Fury would lose it again.
People that died, or most likely will die while beïng the lineal champion:
Gene Tunney (65-1-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9046 (retired at the age of 31)
Remarkebly, his only loss was against Harry Greb http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9019
Harry Greb died at the age of 31 and lost twice against:
Tiger Flowers (118-15-8)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/11336 (lineal heavyweight champion who died just a couple of days after his last fight at the age of 34, his last fight was a light heavyweight fight, Tiger Flowers never fought above 173 pounds)
Rocky Marciano (49-0-0)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9032 (retired at the age of 32 and died at 45)
Lennox Lewis (41-2-1)
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/1853 2001-04-22 (Retired at the age of 37)
George Foreman, who had a massive break during his carreer lost it for the last time, 23 years after he won it for the first time.
Joe Louis had the lineal title for 13 years 3 months and 5 days in a row and lost it at the age of 36.
